OT: SF Giants 2023

wco81 · Post #141 » by **wco81** » Tue Dec 12, 2023 11:49 pm

Hmm opt out for the team or the player?

Lot of money for an unproven player.

Yamamoto would be probably be worth $30 million a year or more considering that the NY teams and the Dodgers are suitors.

sonnyhill · Post #142 » by **sonnyhill** » Tue Dec 12, 2023 11:51 pm

Opt-out player option.

Lee can cover a lot of territory in centerfield and should be an effective everyday leadoff hitter. He will not be a home run hitter (...sigh...); however, he does provide skills that the Giants badly need.

wco81 · Post #143 » by **wco81** » Wed Dec 13, 2023 12:04 am

sonnyhill wrote:Opt-out player option.

Lee can cover a lot of territory in centerfield and should be the team's everyday leadoff hitter. He will not be a home run hitter (...sigh...); however, he does provide skills that the Giants badly need.

Glad that they signed somebody but I wonder if the team signed him just to show the fan base they're doing something, since they didn't get Ohtani and maybe they don't expect or plan to outbid the NY teams or the Dodgers for Yamamoto.

However good Lee turns out to be, he's not well-known to Giants or MLB fans so if he's the major offseason acquisition, I don't know if the fans will be as excited.

Attendance has been declining so they have to do something to make a splash.

Supposedly Ohtani offered the big salary deferral to other bidders. Not sure if that includes the Giants. But he may have been looking to see which teams would commit to try to sign other big free agents.

He would probably want whichever team he chose to try to sign Yamamoto.

So maybe one reason the Giants didn't win the bidding for Ohtani is that they didn't convince him that they would spend on other big contracts.

Samurai · Post #144 » by **Samurai** » Wed Dec 13, 2023 4:22 am

wco81 wrote:
sonnyhill wrote:Opt-out player option.

Lee can cover a lot of territory in centerfield and should be the team's everyday leadoff hitter. He will not be a home run hitter (...sigh...); however, he does provide skills that the Giants badly need.

Glad that they signed somebody but I wonder if the team signed him just to show the fan base they're doing something, since they didn't get Ohtani and maybe they don't expect or plan to outbid the NY teams or the Dodgers for Yamamoto.

However good Lee turns out to be, he's not well-known to Giants or MLB fans so if he's the major offseason acquisition, I don't know if the fans will be as excited.

Attendance has been declining so they have to do something to make a splash.

Supposedly Ohtani offered the big salary deferral to other bidders. Not sure if that includes the Giants. But he may have been looking to see which teams would commit to try to sign other big free agents.

He would probably want whichever team he chose to try to sign Yamamoto.

So maybe one reason the Giants didn't win the bidding for Ohtani is that they didn't convince him that they would spend on other big contracts.

Farhan Zaidi said the Giants' final offer to Ohtani was "very comparable if not identical" to the Dodgers' offer and that the Giants tried to stay in contact to see what more they could do to better their position. But they got the impression that Ohtani seemed to want to stay in SoCal and that would be nearly impossible to overcome. They wanted to show him around the SF area to check out neighborhoods and housing but Ohtani's reps restricted the meeting to just Oracle Park to avoid being seen in public (not really sure showing him the homeless using drugs and pooping on the street would have been a helpful selling point!).

Analytics guru Clay Davenport projects a slash line of .304/.386/.484 for Lee. That seems overly optimistic to me but if he can come reasonably close to that then the Giants should be thrilled.

They may have overpaid for Lee but if they can land Yamamoto (who will in all likelihood also be overpaid), then it could still be a good off-season.

wco81 · Post #145 » by **wco81** » Wed Dec 13, 2023 10:19 pm

Supposedly the Dodgers trotted out all their stars including Ohtani to host Yamamoto's visit to them today or yesterday.

Giants have to hope that Yamamoto is envious of Ohtani's mega stardom and doesn't want to be overshadowed for maybe the entirety of his MLB career.

Otherwise, if he idolizes Ohtani, then Giants and even the NY teams don't have a chance.

Samurai · Post #146 » by **Samurai** » Tue Dec 19, 2023 4:31 am

Mets and Yankees are getting a second meeting with Yamamoto. No word on whether the Giants will get another meeting. Sounds ominous to me...

Giants signed Tom Murphy to be our back-up catcher to Bailey, 2 years for $8M. Not sure I like this move. Murphy had a flukey good year hitting last season but throughout his career he has been a far better hitter against lefties than righties. Bailey last season was also far better against lefties than righties whereas Sabol was much better against righties. Both Sabol and Murphy are below average defensively. Seems that Sabol makes a better platoon partner with Bailey but sounds like they plan to have Sabol develop in the minors more this season.

wco81 · Post #147 » by **wco81** » Tue Dec 19, 2023 4:39 am

Samurai wrote:Mets and Yankees are getting a second meeting with Yamamoto. No word on whether the Giants will get another meeting. Sounds ominous to me...

Giants signed Tom Murphy to be our back-up catcher to Bailey, 2 years for $8M. Not sure I like this move. Murphy had a flukey good year hitting last season but throughout his career he has been a far better hitter against lefties than righties. Bailey last season was also far better against lefties than righties whereas Sabol was much better against righties. Both Sabol and Murphy are below average defensively. Seems that Sabol makes a better platoon partner with Bailey but sounds like they plan to have Sabol develop in the minors more this season.

Yamamoto asked for the second meetings supposedly.

Earlier rumors were that Giants and Red Sox both offered over $300 million.

But the guy is 176 pounds so even at age 25, he may not be for much of a career after 30.

Plan B is supposedly Snell, which is fine but he’s 31 and looking for a 9-figure deal. Could be like Zito too many innings before signing a last big contract.

Samurai · Post #148 » by **Samurai** » Tue Dec 19, 2023 5:00 am

wco81 wrote:
Samurai wrote:Mets and Yankees are getting a second meeting with Yamamoto. No word on whether the Giants will get another meeting. Sounds ominous to me...

Giants signed Tom Murphy to be our back-up catcher to Bailey, 2 years for $8M. Not sure I like this move. Murphy had a flukey good year hitting last season but throughout his career he has been a far better hitter against lefties than righties. Bailey last season was also far better against lefties than righties whereas Sabol was much better against righties. Both Sabol and Murphy are below average defensively. Seems that Sabol makes a better platoon partner with Bailey but sounds like they plan to have Sabol develop in the minors more this season.

Yamamoto asked for the second meetings supposedly.

Earlier rumors were that Giants and Red Sox both offered over $300 million.

But the guy is 176 pounds so even at age 25, he may not be for much of a career after 30.

Plan B is supposedly Snell, which is fine but he’s 31 and looking for a 9-figure deal. Could be like Zito too many innings before signing a last big contract.

Snell is fine and he has a history of pitching well against the Dodgers, so that's a plus for him. But I think it is more realistic to expect the 2022 version of Snell next year instead of the Cy Young version of last season. Plus he's only thrown 130+ innings twice in his career; 9-figures is a huge amount for a guy who can't be counted on to pitch a full season. Then again, it's not my money :wink:

Nvnervous45 · Post #149 » by **Nvnervous45** » Tue Dec 19, 2023 5:48 am

We just signed a good backup catcher in Tom Murphy,. I think that means Yamamoto is coming here!

sonnyhill · Post #150 » by **sonnyhill** » Tue Dec 19, 2023 5:10 pm

Nvnervous45 wrote:We just signed a good backup catcher in Tom Murphy,. I think that means Yamamoto is coming here!

Please explain.

Was this a sarcastic post or was there more to the signing of Murphy?

Nvnervous45 · Post #151 » by **Nvnervous45** » Tue Dec 19, 2023 5:23 pm

Just sarcasm, sadly!

sonnyhill · Post #152 » by **sonnyhill** » Tue Dec 19, 2023 6:24 pm

Nvnervous45 wrote:Just sarcasm, sadly!

LOL

Samurai · Post #153 » by **Samurai** » Thu Dec 21, 2023 2:03 am

Giants signed TJ Hopkins from the Reds. A 26-year old OF, this now gives the Giants NINE outfielders on the 40 man roster, not including Blake Sabol who plays LF but is listed as a catcher. Five are under contract next season and five are optionable. Scouting report on Hopkins is he has above average speed and hit well in AAA last year (.341/.437/.540) as a line drive hitter but still has a lot of swing-and-miss in his game. Common sense would dictate that Zaidi will need to trade away some of his surplus of OF's; the question is which ones? And what can we get for them?

wco81 · Post #154 » by **wco81** » Fri Dec 22, 2023 4:48 am

Yamamoto signs with Dodgers, 12 years, $360 million. Giants reportedly offer a deal over $300 million but probably wasn’t seriously considered.

Glad that Giants reportedly bid in the same neighborhood but glad they didn’t end up giving that contract.

Maybe Yamamoto will earn every dime of that deal but also it may be that he is great for a a couple of years, maybe half that contract before his arm gives out.

Ohtani had all these teams after him 5 years ago because of his arm and he didn’t live up to expectations as a pitcher. So let’s hope he has a couple of Tommy John surgeries.

He’s only 25 but still giving these long contracts to pitchers hasn’t yet worked out.

Samurai · Post #155 » by **Samurai** » Fri Dec 22, 2023 6:21 am

wco81 wrote:Yamamoto signs with Dodgers, 12 years, $360 million. Giants reportedly offer a deal over $300 million but probably wasn’t seriously considered.

Glad that Giants reportedly bid in the same neighborhood but glad they didn’t end up giving that contract.

Maybe Yamamoto will earn every dime of that deal but also it may be that he is great for a a couple of years, maybe half that contract before his arm gives out.

Ohtani had all these teams after him 5 years ago because of his arm and he didn’t live up to expectations as a pitcher. So let’s hope he has a couple of Tommy John surgeries.

He’s only 25 but still giving these long contracts to pitchers hasn’t yet worked out.

12 years for a pitcher is absurdly risky. He may be well worth a big salary for 3-5 years but certainly no guarantees after that.

But in the short term, outside of signing Superman there doesn't seem to be anything the Giants can do to be competitive with the Dodgers. It's getting to the "what's the point" stage.

wco81 · Post #156 » by **wco81** » Fri Dec 22, 2023 6:48 am

One thing for sure, if the Dodgers flop again like they did in October, the schadenfreude will be EPIC!

Not just from Giants fans but anyone not a Dodgers or LA sports fan, after committing over $1 billion this offseason.

Damn we knew they wanted to win a REAL WS title, not the fake pandemic WS title. But this is like the Saudis buying up all those soccer stars, overpaying them by a big margin.

Yeah they will take your money but they still don’t like you rich deusches.

Linking back to the NBA, AD was wearing a Dodgers cap on the bench at a game in which he was inactive.

You know those front runners will be at Dodgers stadium this summer.

tal57 · Post #157 » by **tal57** » Fri Dec 22, 2023 8:52 am

wco81 wrote:One thing for sure, if the Dodgers flop again like they did in October, the schadenfreude will be EPIC!

Not just from Giants fans but anyone not a Dodgers or LA sports fan, after committing over $1 billion this offseason.

Damn we knew they wanted to win a REAL WS title, not the fake pandemic WS title. But this is like the Saudis buying up all those soccer stars, overpaying them by a big margin.

Yeah they will take your money but they still don’t like you rich deusches.

Linking back to the NBA, AD was wearing a Dodgers cap on the bench at a game in which he was inactive.

You know those front runners will be at Dodgers stadium this summer.

They don't have to flop. They can win the WS now and no one should care one iota, laughing at them as even more tainted as the pandemic title.
Actually, if they don't win it, they would be more than embarrassing laughingstock. If they will, MLB will be an embarrassing laughingstock for allowing this charade. And I guarantee there will be an explosion calling for the MLB salary cap. Something players' union is dreading more than anything.

Nvnervous45 · Post #158 » by **Nvnervous45** » Sat Mar 2, 2024 5:41 am

Getting matt chapman is huge! He'll help with all the ground ball pitchers we have.. super excited.. now get snell and we'll have a legitimate shot at the wc.

wco81 · Post #159 » by **wco81** » Sat Mar 2, 2024 6:37 am

At least they’re trying things. Let’s see if these free agents can hit some HRs at Oracle.

Snell is probably going to have to take a short contract before any team will sign him. He’s not that old but pitchers over 30 can’t be trusted beyond 2 years or 3 at the most. Has to be the explanation for The reining NL Cy Young winner not to be signed just a month from Opening Day.

Nvnervous45 · Post #160 » by **Nvnervous45** » Tue Mar 5, 2024 11:39 pm

After another 1-4 day including 3 k's for Luciano, I'm thinking he gets sent down to aaa to start the season for some much needed seasoning.
His .066 batting average coupled with 8 k's in 13 ab's doesn't portend well for the 22 year old. Add to that the errant throw to 1st base the other day during a webb start and I think he doesn't make the big club.
On the other hand nick ahmed has been absolutely crushing the ball and has 2 gold gloves to his resume. I think with all that factored in and the need for infield defense for our slew of ground ball pitchers, nick gets the starting nod.