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Re: Trayce Jackson-Davis = Green's Replacement?
Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2024 4:52 am
by WarriorGM
If the current team is undersized why haven't we seen much of Garuba yet?
Re: Trayce Jackson-Davis = Green's Replacement?
Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2024 4:55 am
by TB
WarriorGM wrote:If the current team is undersized why haven't we seen much of Garuba yet?
Great question, he’s been dominating in Santa Cruz.
Re: Trayce Jackson-Davis = Green's Replacement?
Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2024 5:07 am
by CDM_Stats
WarriorGM wrote:If the current team is undersized why haven't we seen much of Garuba yet?
14 ppg
12 rpg
2.2 apg
1.7 spg
1 bpg
in his last 5 games (29 mpg, 53% FG)
And keep in mind, his big selling point isn't any of those things (except maybe the steals). He's a great team defender who's extremely versatile
We give **** Anthony Lamb and Ty Jerome minutes and can't find time for a versatile defensive C?
Re: Trayce Jackson-Davis = Green's Replacement?
Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2024 5:09 am
by Onus
WarriorGM wrote:If the current team is undersized why haven't we seen much of Garuba yet?
He’s undersized as well. Plus Kerr doesn’t understand matchups
Re: Trayce Jackson-Davis = Green's Replacement?
Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2024 7:54 am
by Sandy333
We need a proper 7 foot c or ability to punish the C out of the lineup with near perfect shooting using our center . The second part is on the coach and a good PG.
Re: Trayce Jackson-Davis = Green's Replacement?
Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2024 3:01 am
by dk1115
I think shifts our lineup back to somewhat traditional.
Re: Trayce Jackson-Davis = Green's Replacement?
Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2024 8:37 am
by Sandy333
Unless We are able punish the opposing C we are doomed. Especially we have so many good offensive Cs in the league. Dray could play C in crunch time, not any more. Dray was best jokic defender couple of years ago, remains to be seen if he still he. After his back injuries maybe not so.
We donot have answer if we cannot punish the opposing C. Steph is not able to do it against tall Cs. He is not able to hit high percentage on threes on drop coverage nor is he able score at the rim( he is getting blocked, he has had some improvements this year though ).
Re: Trayce Jackson-Davis = Green's Replacement?
Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2024 5:27 pm
by CDM_Stats
Onus wrote:WarriorGM wrote:If the current team is undersized why haven't we seen much of Garuba yet?
He’s undersized as well. Plus Kerr doesn’t understand matchups
Also, to be fair to Kerr, TJD had been doing fine and they clearly have more skin in that game than Garuba's. Its one of few decisions that Kerr has made this year that makes a logical sense
But I told everyone early on.. Garuba isn't Dray, he's Looney. And we see how Kerr values guys like Looney, specifically Moody. It's been an illuminating year for me on Kerr, I always thought he was the guy who understood how valuable these high IQ specialists are. Wonder if it was just former ACs or current ACs that aren't being listened to. Doesnt really matter now I guess
Re: Trayce Jackson-Davis = Green's Replacement?
Posted: Mon Feb 5, 2024 11:30 pm
by oaktownwarriors87
Of the 22 rookies that have played at least 450 minutes TJD ranks:
1st in WS/48
2nd in BPM
2nd in PER
2nd in offensive rating
6th in defensive rating
Get this man some minutes
Re: Trayce Jackson-Davis = Green's Replacement?
Posted: Mon Feb 5, 2024 11:35 pm
by Dom801e
Have we seen a Steph/Wiggins/Kuminga/Draymond/TJD lineup?
Re: Trayce Jackson-Davis = Green's Replacement?
Posted: Tue Feb 6, 2024 12:21 am
by KevinMcreynolds
oaktownwarriors87 wrote:Of the 22 rookies that have played at least 450 minutes TJD ranks:
1st in WS/48
2nd in BPM
2nd in PER
2nd in offensive rating
6th in defensive rating
Get this man some minutes
Re: Trayce Jackson-Davis = Green's Replacement?
Posted: Tue Feb 6, 2024 12:27 am
by Jester_
7/4 in 13 minutes on good efficiency is an absurd line in so many different ways. It's weird how he feels like one of our most consistent players.
If you swapped Kerr out for literally any other coach in the league we'd be 4th seed rn
Re: Trayce Jackson-Davis = Green's Replacement?
Posted: Tue Feb 6, 2024 11:27 am
by jozef
I find it disgusting to watch midget lineups playing zone defense. Without TJD the ceiling is 8th spot in the West.
I am mad at anybody who opted for it.
Re: Trayce Jackson-Davis = Green's Replacement?
Posted: Tue Feb 6, 2024 11:35 am
by Pokuokic
Jordan Bell replacement
Re: Trayce Jackson-Davis = Green's Replacement?
Posted: Tue Feb 6, 2024 4:13 pm
by oaktownwarriors87
Pokuokic wrote:Jordan Bell replacement
I found Steve Kerrs burner
He's played 36 minutes the last 6 games. Corey Joseph has played 45. Quinones has played 75. Klay has played over 200.
It's shameful.
Re: Trayce Jackson-Davis = Green's Replacement?
Posted: Wed Feb 7, 2024 11:34 am
by jozef
And in his 8 minutes he was spectacular with 2 dunks and 1 block.
I find it totally unprofessional to explore those small lineups in big league.
Re: Trayce Jackson-Davis = Green's Replacement?
Posted: Thu Feb 8, 2024 6:48 am
by jozef
It had to be hair. Trim that Bart Simpson haircut to a buzz military model to gain more dignity, TJD. Look at JK...
Re: Trayce Jackson-Davis = Green's Replacement?
Posted: Thu Feb 8, 2024 7:23 am
by SinceGatlingWasARookie
CDM_Stats wrote:WarriorGM wrote:If the current team is undersized why haven't we seen much of Garuba yet?
14 ppg
12 rpg
2.2 apg
1.7 spg
1 bpg
in his last 5 games (29 mpg, 53% FG)
And keep in mind, his big selling point isn't any of those things (except maybe the steals). He's a great team defender who's extremely versatile
We give **** Anthony Lamb and Ty Jerome minutes and can't find time for a versatile defensive C?
Is Garuba really an NBA center or only a Center in G-leage or for bad teams. I think Garuba is a power forward.
Lamb played because he was playing better than Kuminga was last year. Jerome played because he and Donte D were closer to being point guards than Poole was. The bench needed a point guard and Poole failed at being a point guard.
Kuminga is playing very well now. Lamb outplayed last year’s Kuminga. Lamb did not outplay this year’s Kuminga.
Who’s minutes is Garuba supposed to take? He can’t take Draymond’s minutes or Kuminga’s minutes. Wiggins is finally playing well so I would not bench Wiggins for Garuba. Hating Klay is popular but I would not replace Klay with Garuba.
I am not sure that Garuba can outplay any of Looney, Saric or Trayce Davis. Garuba and Moody do not really compete for minutes and giving Garuba Moody’s minutes would make the Moody dreamers scream.
Garuba is an NBA level player but he needs one of Draymond or Kuminga to get injured to crack our rotation.
Re: Trayce Jackson-Davis = Green's Replacement?
Posted: Thu Feb 8, 2024 8:48 am
by WarriorGM
SinceGatlingWasARookie wrote:CDM_Stats wrote:WarriorGM wrote:If the current team is undersized why haven't we seen much of Garuba yet?
14 ppg
12 rpg
2.2 apg
1.7 spg
1 bpg
in his last 5 games (29 mpg, 53% FG)
And keep in mind, his big selling point isn't any of those things (except maybe the steals). He's a great team defender who's extremely versatile
We give **** Anthony Lamb and Ty Jerome minutes and can't find time for a versatile defensive C?
Is Garuba really an NBA center or only a Center in G-leage or for bad teams. I think Garuba is a power forward.
Lamb played because he was playing better than Kuminga was last year. Jerome played because he and Donte D were closer to being point guards than Poole was. The bench needed a point guard and Poole failed at being a point guard.
Kuminga is playing very well now. Lamb outplayed last year’s Kuminga. Lamb did not outplay this year’s Kuminga.
Who’s minutes is Garuba supposed to take? He can’t take Draymond’s minutes or Kuminga’s minutes. Wiggins is finally playing well so I would not bench Wiggins for Garuba. Hating Klay is popular but I would not replace Klay with Garuba.
I am not sure that Garuba can outplay any of Looney, Saric or Trayce Davis. Garuba and Moody do not really compete for minutes and giving Garuba Moody’s minutes would make the Moody dreamers scream.
Garuba is an NBA level player but he needs one of Draymond or Kuminga to get injured to crack our rotation.
I think I asked this question when Draymond was still out. Even with Draymond back the team should want to preserve him in the regular season and save him for the playoffs so having someone else banging around would still make sense.
As for Lamb, my understanding at the time was Lamb was getting minutes because he seemed to be the only one who paired with Kuminga well. When Lamb was on the floor Kuminga was a positive player.
Re: Trayce Jackson-Davis = Green's Replacement?
Posted: Thu Feb 8, 2024 2:30 pm
by michaelm
WarriorGM wrote:SinceGatlingWasARookie wrote:CDM_Stats wrote:
14 ppg
12 rpg
2.2 apg
1.7 spg
1 bpg
in his last 5 games (29 mpg, 53% FG)
And keep in mind, his big selling point isn't any of those things (except maybe the steals). He's a great team defender who's extremely versatile
We give **** Anthony Lamb and Ty Jerome minutes and can't find time for a versatile defensive C?
Is Garuba really an NBA center or only a Center in G-leage or for bad teams. I think Garuba is a power forward.
Lamb played because he was playing better than Kuminga was last year. Jerome played because he and Donte D were closer to being point guards than Poole was. The bench needed a point guard and Poole failed at being a point guard.
Kuminga is playing very well now. Lamb outplayed last year’s Kuminga. Lamb did not outplay this year’s Kuminga.
Who’s minutes is Garuba supposed to take? He can’t take Draymond’s minutes or Kuminga’s minutes. Wiggins is finally playing well so I would not bench Wiggins for Garuba. Hating Klay is popular but I would not replace Klay with Garuba.
I am not sure that Garuba can outplay any of Looney, Saric or Trayce Davis. Garuba and Moody do not really compete for minutes and giving Garuba Moody’s minutes would make the Moody dreamers scream.
Garuba is an NBA level player but he needs one of Draymond or Kuminga to get injured to crack our rotation.
I think I asked this question when Draymond was still out. Even with Draymond back the team should want to preserve him in the regular season and save him for the playoffs so having someone else banging around would still make sense.
As for Lamb, my understanding at the time was Lamb was getting minutes because he seemed to be the only one who paired with Kuminga well. When Lamb was on the floor Kuminga was a positive player.
That’s the thing, it is not sustainable for Green to play constant heavy minutes at center in the regular season. If Looney can get back to what he was he can play some of those minutes but TJD and Garuba seem to offer more athleticism at a similar size and TjD at least seems lot have good instincts for the game. I wouldn’t cut Kuminga’s or Wiggins’ minutes. Perhaps they can play some SG and SF minutes respectively.. I would rather try to get 20 good minutes from Klay than play him the minutes Kerr has been playing. If he somehow defies injuries and the march of time and returns to who he was his playing time can always be extended back up.