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CDM_Stats wrote:

billinder33 wrote:JK's defense actually improved a quite bit as the season went on

Well... yes and no. Was he trending up to end the season? Yes. Did he trend down to start the season? Yes. And metrics/analytics seem to agree that the downfall was heavier than the recovery. For example, I see D-DPM (DARKO) having him dip about 25 points to start the year, but by the end recover 20

So the question is, is there a path to sustained success there? I'd say possibly, and I'd also say its a much better bet than the offensive side. But point being, its all about which side you want to believe. If people dont want Kuminga to stay they can point out that he ended the year being less impactful than he started and less impactful than he was as a rookie. If people do want him to stay, they can say he's trending up

All that can be said for sure, with regards to both him and Moody, is it would be nicer to have more data on this to clear it up further. But when you have the opportunity to play the Cavaliers' 13th man or the New Zealand Breakers starting power forward over long-term investments, you HAVE to take it

Onus wrote:

CDM_Stats wrote:

billinder33 wrote:JK's defense actually improved a quite bit as the season went on

Well... yes and no. Was he trending up to end the season? Yes. Did he trend down to start the season? Yes. And metrics/analytics seem to agree that the downfall was heavier than the recovery. For example, I see D-DPM (DARKO) having him dip about 25 points to start the year, but by the end recover 20

So the question is, is there a path to sustained success there? I'd say possibly, and I'd also say its a much better bet than the offensive side. But point being, its all about which side you want to believe. If people dont want Kuminga to stay they can point out that he ended the year being less impactful than he started and less impactful than he was as a rookie. If people do want him to stay, they can say he's trending up

All that can be said for sure, with regards to both him and Moody, is it would be nicer to have more data on this to clear it up further. But when you have the opportunity to play the Cavaliers' 13th man or the New Zealand Breakers starting power forward over long-term investments, you HAVE to take it

Do you think jks defense is trending up? When do you think he’ll be a neutral defender?

CDM_Stats wrote:

billinder33 wrote:...

All that can be said for sure, with regards to both him and Moody, is it would be nicer to have more data on this to clear it up further. But when you have the opportunity to play the Cavaliers' 13th man or the New Zealand Breakers starting power forward over long-term investments, you HAVE to take it

Dubs 707 wrote:Why would you choose such a weird font? How do you block people? He obviously wants to be ignored....

floppymoose wrote:on realgm, green font is traditionally for sarcasm. there is some usage of green for sarcasm outside of realgm as well.
if only there was a way to search the internet to ask questions about this.

billinder33 wrote:JK's defense actually improved a quite bit as the season went on. Most posters here act like every basket scored on a Ws defender is a travesty and a failure like that screaming Youtube idiot. But we have to keep in mind that opposing teams are full of professional basketball players. They hit tough shots, it's why they're in the NBA.

The reality is that JK's defense has already reached the fine/ok/acceptable stage. But it's not really consistently fine/ok, it's actually more of a random mixed bag, which understandably gives people lots of angst. There are times where his defense is actually really good or borderline great. Then other times when it's way below average. Often you'll see both the best and worst of JK's defense all in the same shift. And those visibly obvious bad moments create huge a drag in perception against all the good that's happening.

On the possessions where he's at his worst, the biggest issue is that he just not getting to the right floor positions early enough. And because we all know he's a plus athlete, visibly it looks like disinterest or a lack of motivation. It's actually the exact same issue with his rebounding. Establishing the most optimal position early instead of just reacting after the fact. And this is probably a symptom of his lack of experience and reps than anything else. If that's the case, he'll continue to get better over time.

Of course, the issue could be that his brain just doesn't process real-time information fast enough, and that a much harder problem to fix. Even if that's the case, more experience should help mitigate the issue. But you really hope it's just a lack of experience against the world's best players and not actually psychological reaction time. His early position did improve a bit over the course of the season, and he doesn't strike me as a 'Kelly Oubre 10 bong hits before practice' type, so there is hope.

The upside is definitely there. He has the physical facility to get to an Iguodala level of defensive play. Doubt he'll ever get there, but mostly due to his general psychology, and the fact that he has SO much to work on, on-ball defense, off-ball defense, post defense, rebounding, 3-point shooting, post moves, shielding the ball on drives, etc, etc, etc. and there are only so many hours in the day.

So despite the lackluster season ending (especially the knee tendonitis, which is a legit concern), the trend is still moving upward. IMO the first 20 games of next season should add a lot of clarity about what his NBA future is going to be. And the FO should finally have enough info in terms of whether to keep him or move him at the trade DL, assuming he even makes it past the offseason trade activity.

xdrta+ wrote:

floppymoose wrote:on realgm, green font is traditionally for sarcasm. there is some usage of green for sarcasm outside of realgm as well.
if only there was a way to search the internet to ask questions about this.

And yet much of what the green fonters post isn't sarcasm at all. It might be satire or mockery or mordancy or irony or ridicule, or....... RealGM needs a different color font for each one of these distinctive comments.

Dubs 707 wrote:Why would you choose such a weird font? How do you block people? He obviously wants to be ignored....

wco81 wrote:Franz stats in his first playoffs look okay on paper.

Had a couple of big games.

But in game 7 he was 1-15 and 0-5 from 3.

Bill Simmons questions if he could even be #3 on a good playoffs team. Maybe a good slasher/role player.

whatisacenter wrote:

wco81 wrote:Franz stats in his first playoffs look okay on paper.

Had a couple of big games.

But in game 7 he was 1-15 and 0-5 from 3.

Bill Simmons questions if he could even be #3 on a good playoffs team. Maybe a good slasher/role player.

He is elite and the Warriors blew it when they didn't pick him.

Onus wrote:

whatisacenter wrote:

wco81 wrote:Franz stats in his first playoffs look okay on paper.

Had a couple of big games.

But in game 7 he was 1-15 and 0-5 from 3.

Bill Simmons questions if he could even be #3 on a good playoffs team. Maybe a good slasher/role player.

He is elite and the Warriors blew it when they didn't pick him.

Where were you guys when JK was getting benched in the playoffs? Where were you when Franz put up 34 13 4 and won a game in the playoffs when Paulo put up 9 4 and 5? I'd love for JK to win us a meaningful game in the playoffs in his 3 years but he keeps getting benched. Hell this years rookies have passed him on the depth charts, so don't go blaming Steve.

whatisacenter wrote:

Onus wrote:

whatisacenter wrote:
He is elite and the Warriors blew it when they didn't pick him.

Where were you guys when JK was getting benched in the playoffs? Where were you when Franz put up 34 13 4 and won a game in the playoffs when Paulo put up 9 4 and 5? I'd love for JK to win us a meaningful game in the playoffs in his 3 years but he keeps getting benched. Hell this years rookies have passed him on the depth charts, so don't go blaming Steve.

I was right here wishing JK would get some more PT.

Onus wrote:

whatisacenter wrote:

Onus wrote:Where were you guys when JK was getting benched in the playoffs? Where were you when Franz put up 34 13 4 and won a game in the playoffs when Paulo put up 9 4 and 5? I'd love for JK to win us a meaningful game in the playoffs in his 3 years but he keeps getting benched. Hell this years rookies have passed him on the depth charts, so don't go blaming Steve.

I was right here wishing JK would get some more PT.

If he was deserving of PT he'd get it. Kerr has no problem going to his bench and giving players minutes. He's given rookies, two way players minutes. Hell he even was giving Wiseman minutes. The only players he seems to not give minutes to are JK and Moody. Which is odd because we have a gaping hole at the position (big wing) JK is supposed to fulfill.

JK does 2 things well. Takes advantage of size mismatches (smaller players) and he finishes well when there's no rim protection. Other than that he's probably average to below average at every other single skill in basketball. His biggest problem is that he's a bad defender. He's a terrible on ball defender, though he has flashes. But on a possession by possession basis he's getting blown by more frequently than he gets stops. He's a terrible rebounder. He's a terrible help defender. He's terrible in rotations. If he could even be neutral on defense he'd get more playing time. But he continually makes bad decisions on defense or is lost.

I really think he needs his role simplified on defense and we need to have him take on Klay's role defensively. Just be a solid poa defender. That way he can get out in transition and he doesn't have to rebound or rotate as much. But that means we need a big that can shoot.