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Warriors trade Poole, Rollins, Baldwin Jr., 2027 #2, 2030 protected #1 to Wizards for Chris Paul

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Re: Warriors trade Poole, Rollins, Baldwin Jr., 2027 #2, 2030 protected #1 to Wizards for Chris Paul 

Post#541 » by sonnyhill » Wed May 1, 2024 5:42 pm

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A soon-to-be 39-year old averaging 9.2 PPG playing below-average defense that isn’t a fit for the offense the Warriors/Kerr runs helps a rebuild? Dude has 1, maybe 2 seasons remaining in his fast-declining career. How is that helping a rebuild?

By having his salary go POOF or get traded for someone who can help the team win.


I’ll ask the same question I asked last Summer…why did we not pick up a younger, less expensive PG instead of Paul?


Cory Joseph is "...a younger (than Chris Paul), less expensive PG" whom Kerr felt comfortable putting into the rotation, too.
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Re: Warriors trade Poole, Rollins, Baldwin Jr., 2027 #2, 2030 protected #1 to Wizards for Chris Paul 

Post#542 » by S-Gorilla86 » Wed May 1, 2024 7:40 pm

Reading the title of the thread, I totally forgot about the 2030 first rounder! Assuming we don't get our pick this year, that means our only tradable FRPs are '26 and '28 correct?

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Re: Warriors trade Poole, Rollins, Baldwin Jr., 2027 #2, 2030 protected #1 to Wizards for Chris Paul 

Post#543 » by Onus » Wed May 1, 2024 8:01 pm

S-Gorilla86 wrote:Reading the title of the thread, I totally forgot about the 2030 first rounder! Assuming we don't get our pick this year, that means our only tradable FRPs are '26 and '28 correct?

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We can technically trade the '30 pick but only the top 1-20 portion since it's top 20 protected currently.
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Re: Warriors trade Poole, Rollins, Baldwin Jr., 2027 #2, 2030 protected #1 to Wizards for Chris Paul 

Post#544 » by DonaldSanders » Wed May 1, 2024 10:50 pm

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ILOVEIT wrote:Context matters.

Poole was VERY good offensively for the Warriors. Way better than CP could be. WAY BETTER.

BTW, I guarantee you that if Warriors traded Klay three year ago to be the number one option for the Wizards...he would have looked like crap too.

The only thing I'm happy about with the trade is the money. But the reason why the money looked bad is directly related to Draymond F'ing up Poole here....

Durant...gone.
Poole...a young talented scorer that HAD to play well for Curry to get his forth...also screwed up by Draymond BS.

There is no way to say for sure Poole wouldn't have become a better player in a PROPER Warrior context.

Which was the VERY good part? The nonstop turnovers, or the low percentage volume shooting?

Poole scored a lot of points, but CP3 was hugely stabilizing to the offense. Poole was horrific on defense, while CP3 was just below average. As many have said, the biggest problem with CP3 was that Kerr kept putting him in lineups that were dysfunctional. When it was just CP3 stabilizing an otherwise inexperienced crazy offense, I was totally fine with him.


JP 88% FT, 19 pts, 4 assists on 2.5 TO for his last two years. (35% on 3s)
Curry 91%, 25 pts, 6 assists on 3 TO for those same years. (40% on 3s)

CP 82%, 9 pts, 6 assists on 1.3 TO 58 games played.

So yes....way better. And if playing 82 games with Poole's stats vs 58 played with CP's stats doesn't matter to you then good luck. Poole was critical in replacing Curry while he was out and he helped the Warriors through the playoffs and helped dominate the Celtics. All that is fact.


Way better eh? Your argument is basically that low efficiency (5% below TS league average) volume scoring is more important than every other area of basketball, and most people don't like low efficiency scoring. Pretty much every metric you look up has Paul as a small plus in 2024 and Poole being a solid minus in 2024.

Poole 2024
Win Shares: -0.6
BPM: -3.9
VORP: -1.2
TS%: 52.9%

All-in-one metrics
EPM: -2.0
LEBRON: -2.36

CP3 2024
Win Shares: +.136
BPM: +1.0
VORP: +1.2
TS%: 54.4

All-in-one metrics
EPM: +0.7
LEBRON: +.98

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