TJD Not Playing Is Costing Warriors Games

[WarriorGM]

The kid is still soft and gets wrecked by bigs with size. Zubac would’ve feasted on him. It happened before.

Truth is Looney + Green is about as good as it gets when competing against sizable strong bigs.

TDJ is not our savior and needs a good bulking off-season.

The meta concern is valid and that is our persistent lack of size/strength

And he is going to get wrecked by bigs again and be unplayable at a more critical time if he doesn't get enough experience. As it happened Draymond got wrecked anyway putting additional wear on him and that doesn't even get into the logic of playing Podz. TJD was the obvious guy to play but Kerr didn't. This has been a serial pattern with Kerr not playing the obvious guys to develop. TJD is just another in a long line including not only Kuminga and Moody but also going back to Jordan Bell and Damian Jones.

[jozef]

It is just a pure hazzard. An ignorancy of vertical part of the game. You can see how it is important all around the league. Tall center as a steady threat for layups and dunks and obvious tool to alter inside shots. Hartenstein keeps Knicks on the map. Mavs traded for Gafford though they have Lively. Such a smart approach across the league. But the Warriors treat All-Time best shooter with Euroleague athletes at center position and DNP the only one who fits a mold.

Similar failure is abandoning Moody's size and athletic ability at SG/SF. No wonder that the team hovers in average area. This way there is no hope to stabilize at top tier level.

[michaelm]

I wonder what they see in the tape and analytics that says 3 guard lineups are the way to go because to the untrained eye it never appears to work

See championships and analytics. CP3 Curry Klay Wiggins Looney was top 7 unit that played more than 10 gms together

What exactly are you saying? I am interested, but there was a bit of a writing problem.

One of the top 7 units?
The top unit out of 7 units that met the qualification to be considered?

Our recent success seems to be based on Draymond replacing Looney as the center and Kuminga playing with Curry, Draymond and Wiggins. Whether Klay or Poz is the 5th man may not matter. We could also try other guys like Payton, Moody or Trayce as the 5th man.
We could use Chris Paul as the 5th man but one of Draymond or Chri Paul should be on the floor at all times for ball handling which keeps Curry off the ball. Podz is an adequate ball handler but he is not as good of a ball handler as Draymond and Chris Paul.

If they are the best lineup in the last 5 minutes of games when GSW have lost a significant number of games whatever lead had been gained in the preceding minutes then sure, that should be the closing line up.

[oaktownwarriors87]

Kerr and the coaching staff have lots of game of tape and analytics plus know the proper rotations to make a judgment which fans are not privy to.

I wonder what they see in the tape and analytics that says 3 guard lineups are the way to go because to the untrained eye it never appears to work

See championships and analytics. CP3 Curry Klay Wiggins Looney was top 7 unit that played more than 10 gms together

Per 100 possessions CP3/Curry/Klay/Wiggins/Looney is -27.4 in the 4th quarter/OT. They give up almost 140 points per 100 possessions.

TJD is +20.2 with Curry in the 4th quarter/OT and they give up less than 110 points per 100 possessions.

[oaktownwarriors87]

See championships and analytics. CP3 Curry Klay Wiggins Looney was top 7 unit that played more than 10 gms together

What exactly are you saying? I am interested, but there was a bit of a writing problem.

One of the top 7 units?
The top unit out of 7 units that met the qualification to be considered?

Our recent success seems to be based on Draymond replacing Looney as the center and Kuminga playing with Curry, Draymond and Wiggins. Whether Klay or Poz is the 5th man may not matter. We could also try other guys like Payton, Moody or Trayce as the 5th man.
We could use Chris Paul as the 5th man but one of Draymond or Chri Paul should be on the floor at all times for ball handling which keeps Curry off the ball. Podz is an adequate ball handler but he is not as good of a ball handler as Draymond and Chris Paul.

If they are the best lineup in the last 5 minutes of games when GSW have lost a significant number of games whatever lead had been gained in the preceding minutes then sure, that should be the closing line up.

Where are the numbers that say it's the best lineup for the last 5 minutes? I'm seeing the lineup is -27.4 per 100 possessions in the 4th quarter/OT.

[michaelm]

What exactly are you saying? I am interested, but there was a bit of a writing problem.

One of the top 7 units?
The top unit out of 7 units that met the qualification to be considered?

Our recent success seems to be based on Draymond replacing Looney as the center and Kuminga playing with Curry, Draymond and Wiggins. Whether Klay or Poz is the 5th man may not matter. We could also try other guys like Payton, Moody or Trayce as the 5th man.
We could use Chris Paul as the 5th man but one of Draymond or Chri Paul should be on the floor at all times for ball handling which keeps Curry off the ball. Podz is an adequate ball handler but he is not as good of a ball handler as Draymond and Chris Paul.

If they are the best lineup in the last 5 minutes of games when GSW have lost a significant number of games whatever lead had been gained in the preceding minutes then sure, that should be the closing line up.

Where are the numbers that say it's the best lineup for the last 5 minutes? I'm seeing the lineup is -27.4 per 100 possessions in the 4th quarter/OT.

It was an attempt at sarcasm and/or irony. Whatever statistical anomalies exist we know GSW have lost numerous games where various lineups have gained strong leads which the team couldn’t hold in the crunch. I somehow doubt the line up under discussion is the answer to the closing woes of the team this but unlike some not including you would be happy to be proven wrong about this or any other line up which could do the job. What I don’t think is the answer is iso play from Steph Curry, great as he is if he is the only likely scoring option as has been said, he is a basketball genius, but a 6 foot 2 inch 185 ilb genius who can be defended in the dying moments of a game.

[Warriorfan]

I wonder what they see in the tape and analytics that says 3 guard lineups are the way to go because to the untrained eye it never appears to work

See championships and analytics. CP3 Curry Klay Wiggins Looney was top 7 unit that played more than 10 gms together

Per 100 possessions CP3/Curry/Klay/Wiggins/Looney is -27.4 in the 4th quarter/OT. They give up almost 140 points per 100 possessions.

TJD is +20.2 with Curry in the 4th quarter/OT and they give up less than 110 points per 100 possessions.

What is the sample size of TJD in closing minutes. Looney has long history. Last season part of best NRTG.

You always give vets especially HOF IMO benefit of the doubt.

[oaktownwarriors87]

See championships and analytics. CP3 Curry Klay Wiggins Looney was top 7 unit that played more than 10 gms together

Per 100 possessions CP3/Curry/Klay/Wiggins/Looney is -27.4 in the 4th quarter/OT. They give up almost 140 points per 100 possessions.

TJD is +20.2 with Curry in the 4th quarter/OT and they give up less than 110 points per 100 possessions.

What is the sample size of TJD in closing minutes. Looney has long history. Last season part of best NRTG.

You always give vets especially HOF IMO benefit of the doubt.

TJD has looked awesome and Looney has looked terrible. So the benefit of the doubt can only last so long.

TJD has played 164 4th quarter or OT minutes. 85 of them were with Curry and/or Paul. They outscore opponents 148-125 in the Curry minutes.

I eliminated Saric/TJD from Looney minutes, Looney/TJD from Saric minutes and Saric/Looney from TJD minutes. In the 4th quarter:

Looney with Curry has been outscored 239-292
Looney with Curry & Paul has been outscored 112-118
Saric with Curry has been outscored 129-158
Saric with Curry and Paul has been outscored 52-67
TJD with Curry has outscored opponents 136-115
TJD with Curry and Paul has outscored opponents 66-49
Curry without Looney, TJD and Saric has outscored opponents 418-399
Curry & Paul without Looney, TJD and Saric has outscored opponents 55-42

TJD and Green have only played 6 4th quarter minutes together this season. They've outscored opponents 14-10 in this minutes. In the 21 minutes they've played together overall they have a net rating of +30.3.

Yet the keep giving Looney and Saric chances despite TJD being the best athlete, having the best numbers and seeing the best results on the floor.

[Warriorfan]

Per 100 possessions CP3/Curry/Klay/Wiggins/Looney is -27.4 in the 4th quarter/OT. They give up almost 140 points per 100 possessions.

TJD is +20.2 with Curry in the 4th quarter/OT and they give up less than 110 points per 100 possessions.

What is the sample size of TJD in closing minutes. Looney has long history. Last season part of best NRTG.

You always give vets especially HOF IMO benefit of the doubt.

TJD has looked awesome and Looney has looked terrible. So the benefit of the doubt can only last so long.

TJD has played 164 4th quarter or OT minutes. 85 of them were with Curry and/or Paul. They outscore opponents 148-125 in the Curry minutes.

I eliminated Saric/TJD from Looney minutes, Looney/TJD from Saric minutes and Saric/Looney from TJD minutes. In the 4th quarter:

Looney with Curry has been outscored 239-292
Looney with Curry & Paul has been outscored 112-118
Saric with Curry has been outscored 129-158
Saric with Curry and Paul has been outscored 52-67
TJD with Curry has outscored opponents 136-115
TJD with Curry and Paul has outscored opponents 66-49
Curry without Looney, TJD and Saric has outscored opponents 418-399
Curry & Paul without Looney, TJD and Saric has outscored opponents 55-42

TJD and Green have only played 6 4th quarter minutes together this season. They've outscored opponents 14-10 in this minutes. In the 21 minutes they've played together overall they have a net rating of +30.3.

Yet the keep giving Looney and Saric chances despite TJD being the best athlete, having the best numbers and seeing the best results on the floor.

Coaches have more tape analytics and knowledge of what the proper rotations. Plus more incentive to win since its their livelyhood why would they play the lesser player more.

[michaelm]

See championships and analytics. CP3 Curry Klay Wiggins Looney was top 7 unit that played more than 10 gms together

Per 100 possessions CP3/Curry/Klay/Wiggins/Looney is -27.4 in the 4th quarter/OT. They give up almost 140 points per 100 possessions.

TJD is +20.2 with Curry in the 4th quarter/OT and they give up less than 110 points per 100 possessions.

What is the sample size of TJD in closing minutes. Looney has long history. Last season part of best NRTG.

You always give vets especially HOF IMO benefit of the doubt.

You may not have noticed but it actually hasn’t been working across whole games this season, hence the team being only 1 game ahead of a 0.500 record deep in the season having had a losing record for most of the season.

I want the team to win rather than to be right about what rotations Kerr should use. If the 3 guard line up is the answer for the GSW closing squad fine, but it fairly clearly isn’t. They have lost numerous close games this season, not infrequently squandering large leads in the process, and have gone from being a team from whom no lead is safe to being a team for whom no lead is safe, hence the complaints from the fan base. The analytics probably look good for most of a game when the team is gaining the leads, but the leads are not of much uitility if they end up losing the games. If you have analytics that show the 3 guard line up to be in the best closing squad for GSW I am all for them, but I somehow suspect those analytics don’t exist.

Kerr proved his detractors, who didn’t include me back then, wrong about his rotations particularly of Curry in 2022, but that team was also close to the top of the standings the whole regular season. He has form since then for sticking with small ball till the bitter end and losing with the US team. The main thing the hall of fame guys, of whom I will always be a fan. are providing this year is the most expensive roster in the NBA.

[CDM_Stats]

You may not have noticed but it actually hasn’t been working across whole games this season, hence them being only 1 game ahead of being 0.500 deep in the season having had a losing record for most of the season.

Looney was good because of continuity with the same guys for about 1.5 years and was able to make up for his lack of lateral speed with great anticipation, knowing he could leave his guy early as one of either Draymond, Wiggins, or OPJ was going to pick up the slack for him. Made everyone better

Klay's decline along with the addition of Kuminga has disrupted that and there's likely no going back. Looney is a situational big, one that should still be only playing with Draymond, not replacing him, but that would be only to get Looney going, and there's minimal upside to it

[CDM_Stats]

If you have analytics that the 3 guard line ip is the best closing squad I am all for it, but somehow suspect those analytics don’t exist.

Also yes. The Curry-CP3-Klay trio had some decently high metrics early in the season, weighted heavily by how they performed together in the middle of the 2nd quarter and 3rd quarter. They also did well in the 4th when the team was down mightily. They were an awful decision when the team was leading in the 4th

The problem with fans using analytics these days is that they want the simplest method - 1 question, 1 answer. To that end, people are saying that the Warriors defense was noticeably worse against the Clippers and Jazz. And generally that would track because a lot of games have been played recently, it was a back to back, and blah blah. 1 question, 1 answer

But the more questions, the more accurate the overall answer is going to be. The Jazz pummeled the Warriors on the offensive boards to end the game. The Clippers targeted the Warriors worst off-ball defenders to end the game. Poor lineups w/glaring weaknesses, especially to protect leads.. all these little things give actual answers. But just like in the days when RAPM and the +/- stats came out, fans are only interested in finding the data that supports their initial instinct.. as if it were impressive foresight instead of just random luck. IMO its more impressive when people dig deep enough to find root causes, and there are quite a few posters on this board who've gotten really good at that

[michaelm]

If you have analytics that the 3 guard line ip is the best closing squad I am all for it, but somehow suspect those analytics don’t exist.

Also yes. The Curry-CP3-Klay trio had some decently high metrics early in the season, weighted heavily by how they performed together in the middle of the 2nd quarter and 3rd quarter. They also did well in the 4th when the team was down mightily. They were an awful decision when the team was leading in the 4th

The problem with fans using analytics these days is that they want the simplest method - 1 question, 1 answer. To that end, people are saying that the Warriors defense was noticeably worse against the Clippers and Jazz. And generally that would track because a lot of games have been played recently, it was a back to back, and blah blah. 1 question, 1 answer

But the more questions, the more accurate the overall answer is going to be. The Jazz pummeled the Warriors on the offensive boards to end the game. The Clippers targeted the Warriors worst off-ball defenders to end the game. Poor lineups w/glaring weaknesses, especially to protect leads.. all these little things give actual answers. But just like in the days when RAPM and the +/- stats came out, fans are only interested in finding the data that supports their initial instinct.. as if it were impressive foresight instead of just random luck. IMO its more impressive when people dig deep enough to find root causes, and there are quite a few posters on this board who've gotten really good at that

The closing line ups with the 2014-2015 and the KD warriors were no brainers, they were by most measures the best in the league and suited to nearly all situations. Managing the talent was the name of the game for the coach then, which Kerr did excellently, probably not a task just any coach could have managed given that egos and diva tendencies were involved, perhaps even mostly justified by the talent of the players concerned.

GSW don't have that situation anymore, the NBA has moved on, and even the guys who were on those very successful closing squads aren't the same guys they were then. I have mostly followed what you say about the analytics which I trust, and the problem for me this season after having (correctly) defended Kerr in the last title run is that he seems to pre-determine his rotations and not change them according to the game situation or player performances within a given game.

[oaktownwarriors87]

What is the sample size of TJD in closing minutes. Looney has long history. Last season part of best NRTG.

You always give vets especially HOF IMO benefit of the doubt.

TJD has looked awesome and Looney has looked terrible. So the benefit of the doubt can only last so long.

TJD has played 164 4th quarter or OT minutes. 85 of them were with Curry and/or Paul. They outscore opponents 148-125 in the Curry minutes.

I eliminated Saric/TJD from Looney minutes, Looney/TJD from Saric minutes and Saric/Looney from TJD minutes. In the 4th quarter:

Looney with Curry has been outscored 239-292
Looney with Curry & Paul has been outscored 112-118
Saric with Curry has been outscored 129-158
Saric with Curry and Paul has been outscored 52-67
TJD with Curry has outscored opponents 136-115
TJD with Curry and Paul has outscored opponents 66-49
Curry without Looney, TJD and Saric has outscored opponents 418-399
Curry & Paul without Looney, TJD and Saric has outscored opponents 55-42

TJD and Green have only played 6 4th quarter minutes together this season. They've outscored opponents 14-10 in this minutes. In the 21 minutes they've played together overall they have a net rating of +30.3.

Yet the keep giving Looney and Saric chances despite TJD being the best athlete, having the best numbers and seeing the best results on the floor.

Coaches have more tape analytics and knowledge of what the proper rotations. Plus more incentive to win since its their livelyhood why would they play the lesser player more.

Once upon a time Kerr wouldn't play Looney over James Wiseman. Kerr didn't give Kuminga real run until he complained. Kerr had Corey Joseph closing out a game against LeBron. Even Mark Jackson playing Jermaine O'Neal over Draymond cost us the series vs the Clippers.

Thinking that they always make the best decisions or that the decisions are always based on merit is just not true. They have their own biases and rotations are very political. Winning isn't the only way a coach keeps their job

[Warriorfan]

TJD has looked awesome and Looney has looked terrible. So the benefit of the doubt can only last so long.

TJD has played 164 4th quarter or OT minutes. 85 of them were with Curry and/or Paul. They outscore opponents 148-125 in the Curry minutes.

I eliminated Saric/TJD from Looney minutes, Looney/TJD from Saric minutes and Saric/Looney from TJD minutes. In the 4th quarter:

Looney with Curry has been outscored 239-292
Looney with Curry & Paul has been outscored 112-118
Saric with Curry has been outscored 129-158
Saric with Curry and Paul has been outscored 52-67
TJD with Curry has outscored opponents 136-115
TJD with Curry and Paul has outscored opponents 66-49
Curry without Looney, TJD and Saric has outscored opponents 418-399
Curry & Paul without Looney, TJD and Saric has outscored opponents 55-42

TJD and Green have only played 6 4th quarter minutes together this season. They've outscored opponents 14-10 in this minutes. In the 21 minutes they've played together overall they have a net rating of +30.3.

Yet the keep giving Looney and Saric chances despite TJD being the best athlete, having the best numbers and seeing the best results on the floor.

Coaches have more tape analytics and knowledge of what the proper rotations. Plus more incentive to win since its their livelyhood why would they play the lesser player more.

Once upon a time Kerr wouldn't play Looney over James Wiseman. Kerr didn't give Kuminga real run until he complained. Kerr had Corey Joseph closing out a game against LeBron. Even Mark Jackson playing Jermaine O'Neal over Draymond cost us the series vs the Clippers.

Thinking that they always make the best decisions or that the decisions are always based on merit is just not true. They have their own biases and rotations are very political. Winning isn't the only way a coach keeps their job

Basketball is a billion dollar business which relies more on analytics and proven models. RealGmers are fans and more subjective.

Merit is subjective depending on your criteria.

[Impuniti]

Per 100 possessions CP3/Curry/Klay/Wiggins/Looney is -27.4 in the 4th quarter/OT. They give up almost 140 points per 100 possessions.

TJD is +20.2 with Curry in the 4th quarter/OT and they give up less than 110 points per 100 possessions.

What is the sample size of TJD in closing minutes. Looney has long history. Last season part of best NRTG.

You always give vets especially HOF IMO benefit of the doubt.

TJD has looked awesome and Looney has looked terrible. So the benefit of the doubt can only last so long.

TJD has played 164 4th quarter or OT minutes. 85 of them were with Curry and/or Paul. They outscore opponents 148-125 in the Curry minutes.

I eliminated Saric/TJD from Looney minutes, Looney/TJD from Saric minutes and Saric/Looney from TJD minutes. In the 4th quarter:

Looney with Curry has been outscored 239-292
Looney with Curry & Paul has been outscored 112-118
Saric with Curry has been outscored 129-158
Saric with Curry and Paul has been outscored 52-67
TJD with Curry has outscored opponents 136-115
TJD with Curry and Paul has outscored opponents 66-49
Curry without Looney, TJD and Saric has outscored opponents 418-399
Curry & Paul without Looney, TJD and Saric has outscored opponents 55-42

TJD and Green have only played 6 4th quarter minutes together this season. They've outscored opponents 14-10 in this minutes. In the 21 minutes they've played together overall they have a net rating of +30.3.

Yet the keep giving Looney and Saric chances despite TJD being the best athlete, having the best numbers and seeing the best results on the floor.

Kerr has to be the opposite of a merit coach up to a level that I think I've never seen before, in any sport. But he keeps getting away with it because he has one of the best players of all time so he can put out his favorites.

[Impuniti]

Coaches have more tape analytics and knowledge of what the proper rotations. Plus more incentive to win since its their livelyhood why would they play the lesser player more.

Once upon a time Kerr wouldn't play Looney over James Wiseman. Kerr didn't give Kuminga real run until he complained. Kerr had Corey Joseph closing out a game against LeBron. Even Mark Jackson playing Jermaine O'Neal over Draymond cost us the series vs the Clippers.

Thinking that they always make the best decisions or that the decisions are always based on merit is just not true. They have their own biases and rotations are very political. Winning isn't the only way a coach keeps their job

Basketball is a billion dollar business which relies more on analytics and proven models. RealGmers are fans and more subjective.

Merit is subjective depending on your criteria.

In the first two months, Klay and Wiggins were some of the worst players in the league and played with impunity. Looney this season wuldn't even get game time as the center backup in nearly every other team. That's not subjective, it's how they've played.

Not everything can be hidden under the guise of subjectivity. Pop is one of the 3 best coaches of all time and made one of the dumbest substitutions in NBA history in 2012. Coaches like everyone else make mistakes. Kerr has been making a ton of them.

[Warriorfan]

Once upon a time Kerr wouldn't play Looney over James Wiseman. Kerr didn't give Kuminga real run until he complained. Kerr had Corey Joseph closing out a game against LeBron. Even Mark Jackson playing Jermaine O'Neal over Draymond cost us the series vs the Clippers.

Thinking that they always make the best decisions or that the decisions are always based on merit is just not true. They have their own biases and rotations are very political. Winning isn't the only way a coach keeps their job

Basketball is a billion dollar business which relies more on analytics and proven models. RealGmers are fans and more subjective.

Merit is subjective depending on your criteria.

In the first two months, Klay and Wiggins were some of the worst players in the league and played with impunity. Looney this season wuldn't even get game time as the center backup in nearly every other team. That's not subjective, it's how they've played.

Not everything can be hidden under the guise of subjectivity. Pop is one of the 3 best coaches of all time and made one of the dumbest substitutions in NBA history in 2012. Coaches like everyone else make mistakes. Kerr has been making a ton of them.

Once again a difference between a realgm fan who habe more recency bias and a professional coach. Wiggins and Klay main drop off is in the area of shooting the 3. There is great history and likelyhood they would return closer to the norm. Kerr is statistically one of the greatest 3pt shooters ,#1 in pct, and understands this more than most anyone.

[michaelm]

Coaches have more tape analytics and knowledge of what the proper rotations. Plus more incentive to win since its their livelyhood why would they play the lesser player more.

Once upon a time Kerr wouldn't play Looney over James Wiseman. Kerr didn't give Kuminga real run until he complained. Kerr had Corey Joseph closing out a game against LeBron. Even Mark Jackson playing Jermaine O'Neal over Draymond cost us the series vs the Clippers.

Thinking that they always make the best decisions or that the decisions are always based on merit is just not true. They have their own biases and rotations are very political. Winning isn't the only way a coach keeps their job

Basketball is a billion dollar business which relies more on analytics and proven models. RealGmers are fans and more subjective.

Merit is subjective depending on your criteria.

What is objective is the team’s overall record this season and the closing line up losing quite a number of close games after the team had large leads earlier in games.


Everyone would be happy for the team to turn things around with Kerr proving those who disagree with him wrong as he did in 2022, when he also teceived trenchant criticism for his rotations in the regular season, particularly in regard to Curry.

Wiggins was widely reported to be out of shape early season after his preparation was affected by a rib injury. While his poor shooting may have been at least partly due to variance he wasn’t doing much of the other stuff which made him such a contributor to the winning of the 2022 title. He seems to have worked back into physical condition and has improved with this and the return of Draymond.

No one is saying Klay’s 3 point shooting is the problem, although I am told he is taking fewer 2 point shots, and his shot selection has also been criticised. What is being said is that his physical condition after the two terrible injuries is no longer up to doing all the other things he once did, particularly defensively. It is hard for me at least to see this as variance, and also hard to see how he can return to his physical state 5 years ago prior to the injuries. I am all for the team utilising his remaining shooting talent, just questioning him playing the heavy minutes he is playing and being in the closing unit at which time he is tired in addition to everything else and it is hard to see how any deep statistics can support his inclusion given the team has been throwing away games.

Kerr may well see Klay coming good as the only avenue for team success, but the questions are in regard to whether he has given other options a chance and how long you hope for some miraculous turn around in Klay’s physical condition.

[oaktownwarriors87]

Basketball is a billion dollar business which relies more on analytics and proven models. RealGmers are fans and more subjective.

Merit is subjective depending on your criteria.

In the first two months, Klay and Wiggins were some of the worst players in the league and played with impunity. Looney this season wuldn't even get game time as the center backup in nearly every other team. That's not subjective, it's how they've played.

Not everything can be hidden under the guise of subjectivity. Pop is one of the 3 best coaches of all time and made one of the dumbest substitutions in NBA history in 2012. Coaches like everyone else make mistakes. Kerr has been making a ton of them.

Once again a difference between a realgm fan who habe more recency bias and a professional coach. Wiggins and Klay main drop off is in the area of shooting the 3. There is great history and likelyhood they would return closer to the norm. Kerr is statistically one of the greatest 3pt shooters ,#1 in pct, and understands this more than most anyone.

Your entire jig is that the Warriors and their coaches have more statistically data than us so our opinions and data must not be wrong.

It's lame and boring and there is nothing to back it up. You asked for data to backup our opinions and we did. Now that we did you, you think there's just some super secret data that we don't have access to that others must because they're billionaires.

Please stop or provide something to the conversation.