Warriors in clutch time

[Crazy-Canuck]

On rewatch, but it wast necessary since it's basically a repeat of all our clutch losses.

We get outcoached badly.

The offense look clunky because the only plan is to give steph the ball. Everyone knew it, it was easy to defend. There was no rhythm at all. Then we get stuck with a couple of bail out shots. We don't run an actual offense.

Defense was the much bigger problem.

The Jazz clearly planned to just attack steph, podz, or klay.

Spread Wiggins out away from the action.
Dray in the paint with guy in the dunkers spot, so he can't simply roam.

Force klay, podz, or jk to be the help and grab rebounds in the paint.

Steph and podz are limited due to size. Teams just jump over them.

Jk and klay don't react at all on rebounds and help. They barely move and tend to ball watch alot.

If dray and Wiggins can't play all nba level defense and dominate the boards at the same time, we are in trouble.

Size and iq limitations are so noticeable in clutch time.

Klay played a great 3q, but was really bad in the 4th outside of 1 or 2 defensive plays.

And podz wasnt much better.

This team really needs an opj in the closing line up. Someone who can defend and get the tough rebounds. We have him, but kerr wont play him.

Option A

Steph, wiggins, dray, tjd + one of cp3, jk, podz or klay

Option B

Steph, wiggins, dray, moody, + one of jk, klay, cp3, or podz

Option C

Win every game by 10+ pts.

[SpreeChokeJob]

They can fire Kerr and install Kenny A. There won’t be a degradation in performance. They will probably do better. Facing the same team with Kenny A, they blew the Jazz out and everyone got to play, timeouts were called in a timely manner. Even with Klay going off during Kerr’s game, he couldn’t make the right calls, or substitute the right people. Given the difference between winning and losing is so narrow, any playin game is a death sentence and I don’t have faith he will make right decisions in a seven game series or in player development. If they don’t want to fire him, they could promote him to an executive something or other.

[SinceGatlingWasARookie]

Could the Warriors be getting tired in 4th quarters?
Could the Warriors be getting bored when they have a 20 point lead?

Steph Dray Wiggins Kuminga and anybody.
5th man, Maybe Klay, Maybe Podz, Maybe Trayce, maybe whoever would play hardest, Maybe Moody.

[ILOVEIT]

According to a recent podcast, the Warriors have given up an offensive rebound in the final minutes of games over the last 15 85% of the time!

So it's not complicated AT ALL. Kerr needs to substitute in Looney or JD in the final defensive possessions. Because right now, they look like a bunch of highschool players trying to reach the rebound among adults.

[Crazy-Canuck]

According to a recent podcast, the Warriors have given up an offensive rebound in the final minutes of games over the last 15 85% of the time!

So it's not complicated AT ALL. Kerr needs to substitute in Looney or JD in the final defensive possessions. Because right now, they look like a bunch of highschool players trying to reach the rebound among adults.

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/rebounding?LastNGames=0&Outcome=L&TeamID=1610612744&dir=D&sort=REB_CONTEST_PCT

What stands out? Its easy to see who is hurting the team.

[Onus]

According to a recent podcast, the Warriors have given up an offensive rebound in the final minutes of games over the last 15 85% of the time!

So it's not complicated AT ALL. Kerr needs to substitute in Looney or JD in the final defensive possessions. Because right now, they look like a bunch of highschool players trying to reach the rebound among adults.

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/rebounding?LastNGames=0&Outcome=L&TeamID=1610612744&dir=D&sort=REB_CONTEST_PCT

What stands out? Its easy to see who is hurting the team.

It’s a good thing we were closing with cp/curry/klay/dray at some point. It really was a miracle anytime we got a defensive rebound.

[Crazy-Canuck]

According to a recent podcast, the Warriors have given up an offensive rebound in the final minutes of games over the last 15 85% of the time!

So it's not complicated AT ALL. Kerr needs to substitute in Looney or JD in the final defensive possessions. Because right now, they look like a bunch of highschool players trying to reach the rebound among adults.

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/rebounding?LastNGames=0&Outcome=L&TeamID=1610612744&dir=D&sort=REB_CONTEST_PCT

What stands out? Its easy to see who is hurting the team.

It’s a good thing we were closing with cp/curry/klay/dray at some point. It really was a miracle anytime we got a defensive rebound.

Actually dray is easily explained. In rewatch, he's often in the paint with 1 or 2 guys bigger than him. He's fighting at least.

Poa defenders should have lesser stats, but not on this team. Wiggins is actually one of the better rebounders. And that shouldn't happen.

Klay has probably the worst rebounding stats in the league for a guy that isn't poa and plays some pf. Most all of klays rebounds come when the closest person is his teammate. Game film shows it and the stats back it up. He's actually worse than steph and cp3.

But yeah, closing with cp3, klay, and steph hurts us.

[oaktownwarriors87]

No inside threat and no second option. The Lakers showed the NBA how to dominate the Warriors (pack the paint and press the three point line).

Without and inside threat, a mid range threat or a legit 2nd option this team is EASY to beat in the playoffs/clutch, which is why we've blown so many leads.


The only player that provides any kind of diversity to this offense is TJD. Get that man some **** minutes.

[Crazy-Canuck]

No inside threat and no second option. The Lakers showed the NBA how to dominate the Warriors (pack the paint and press the three point line).

Without and inside threat, a mid range threat or a legit 2nd option this team is EASY to beat in the playoffs/clutch, which is why we've blown so man leads.

That's actually symptom of the problem, not THE problem.

We struggle in half court sets because we over rely on steph by design.

But when we defend and rebound, we can run which makes it easier on the offense. We no longer have to force the offense because we keep a cushion. And in clutch time, teams actually force the issue and hunt weak links, so kerr makes it easier by having 3 guys on the court that can't defend nor rebound. That's why we struggle.

Adding a second option still gives us the same defensive problems, because it just continues to pressure us to make every shot. Some of those clutch games we lose are mostly when we score 130+ points. It's not that we can't score, it's we can't stop anyone.

[Onus]

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/rebounding?LastNGames=0&Outcome=L&TeamID=1610612744&dir=D&sort=REB_CONTEST_PCT

What stands out? Its easy to see who is hurting the team.

It’s a good thing we were closing with cp/curry/klay/dray at some point. It really was a miracle anytime we got a defensive rebound.

Actually dray is easily explained. In rewatch, he's often in the paint with 1 or 2 guys bigger than him. He's fighting at least.

Poa defenders should have lesser stats, but not on this team. Wiggins is actually one of the better rebounders. And that shouldn't happen.

Klay has probably the worst rebounding stats in the league for a guy that isn't poa and plays some pf. Most all of klays rebounds come when the closest person is his teammate. Game film shows it and the stats back it up. He's actually worse than steph and cp3.

But yeah, closing with cp3, klay, and steph hurts us.

I mean we can make excuses for all of them. They’re midgets or not good at rebounding. I mean they’re fighting but it doesn’t change the fact that they’re limited in those areas.

But yea you constantly see Klay give up rebounds that should be routine. I mean curry does as well but most of his aren’t at the end of games.

[Onus]

No inside threat and no second option. The Lakers showed the NBA how to dominate the Warriors (pack the paint and press the three point line).

Without and inside threat, a mid range threat or a legit 2nd option this team is EASY to beat in the playoffs/clutch, which is why we've blown so man leads.

That's actually symptom of the problem, not THE problem.

We struggle in half court sets because we over rely on steph by design.

But when we defend and rebound, we can run which makes it easier on the offense. We no longer have to force the offense because we keep a cushion. And in clutch time, teams actually force the issue and hunt weak links, so kerr makes it easier by having 3 guys on the court that can't defend nor rebound. That's why we struggle.

Adding a second option still gives us the same defensive problems, because it just continues to pressure us to make every shot. Some of those clutch games we lose are mostly when we score 130+ points. It's not that we can't score, it's we can't stop anyone.

It could be that Kerr has been searching for a 2nd option, a change up or more variety on offense because he thinks that’s what lost us the series against the lakers. Kerr has been searching for answers all year but has mostly just come up empty.

[WarriorGM]

No inside threat and no second option. The Lakers showed the NBA how to dominate the Warriors (pack the paint and press the three point line).

Without and inside threat, a mid range threat or a legit 2nd option this team is EASY to beat in the playoffs/clutch, which is why we've blown so man leads.

That's actually symptom of the problem, not THE problem.

We struggle in half court sets because we over rely on steph by design.

But when we defend and rebound, we can run which makes it easier on the offense. We no longer have to force the offense because we keep a cushion. And in clutch time, teams actually force the issue and hunt weak links, so kerr makes it easier by having 3 guys on the court that can't defend nor rebound. That's why we struggle.

Adding a second option still gives us the same defensive problems, because it just continues to pressure us to make every shot. Some of those clutch games we lose are mostly when we score 130+ points. It's not that we can't score, it's we can't stop anyone.

It could be that Kerr has been searching for a 2nd option, a change up or more variety on offense because he thinks that’s what lost us the series against the lakers. Kerr has been searching for answers all year but has mostly just come up empty.

Did something change in the coaching department the last couple of years? Oh right Mike Brown isn't here anymore.

[Crazy-Canuck]

No inside threat and no second option. The Lakers showed the NBA how to dominate the Warriors (pack the paint and press the three point line).

Without and inside threat, a mid range threat or a legit 2nd option this team is EASY to beat in the playoffs/clutch, which is why we've blown so man leads.

That's actually symptom of the problem, not THE problem.

We struggle in half court sets because we over rely on steph by design.

But when we defend and rebound, we can run which makes it easier on the offense. We no longer have to force the offense because we keep a cushion. And in clutch time, teams actually force the issue and hunt weak links, so kerr makes it easier by having 3 guys on the court that can't defend nor rebound. That's why we struggle.

Adding a second option still gives us the same defensive problems, because it just continues to pressure us to make every shot. Some of those clutch games we lose are mostly when we score 130+ points. It's not that we can't score, it's we can't stop anyone.

It could be that Kerr has been searching for a 2nd option, a change up or more variety on offense because he thinks that’s what lost us the series against the lakers. Kerr has been searching for answers all year but has mostly just come up empty.

In 2022, we didn't need a second option because we had multiple options in klay, poole, and wiggins. But since then, we've gone through a shift of being 90% dependant on steph. Steph and klay are the only ones allowed to shoot the ball right now. I think jk and wiggins combine for less shot attempts than even dray in clutch situations. And those shots attempts generally come on putbacks.

We lost the lakers series because klay and poole were ASS.

[jozef]

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/rebounding?LastNGames=0&Outcome=L&TeamID=1610612744&dir=D&sort=REB_CONTEST_PCT
What stands out? Its easy to see who is hurting the team.

It’s a good thing we were closing with cp/curry/klay/dray at some point. It really was a miracle anytime we got a defensive rebound.

Actually dray is easily explained. In rewatch, he's often in the paint with 1 or 2 guys bigger than him. He's fighting at least.
Poa defenders should have lesser stats, but not on this team. Wiggins is actually one of the better rebounders. And that shouldn't happen.
Klay has probably the worst rebounding stats in the league for a guy that isn't poa and plays some pf. Most all of klays rebounds come when the closest person is his teammate. Game film shows it and the stats back it up. He's actually worse than steph and cp3.
But yeah, closing with cp3, klay, and steph hurts us.

Interesting. What kind of stats is it? Cause if there is "contested rebounds" between more than two players what kind of result will it give? And what is a contested rebound? Are there players jumping or are they just stand close? I really doubt that Dario Saric rebounds better than Rudy Gobert on contested rebounds.
Comparing traditional stats Klay is slightly above his career rebounding average.

[DAWill1128]

No inside threat and no second option. The Lakers showed the NBA how to dominate the Warriors (pack the paint and press the three point line).

Without and inside threat, a mid range threat or a legit 2nd option this team is EASY to beat in the playoffs/clutch, which is why we've blown so many leads.


The only player that provides any kind of diversity to this offense is TJD. Get that man some **** minutes.

https://youtube.com/shorts/Vik8-Qei-vU?si=dVwSwj_W7DH-xFFa

[Crazy-Canuck]

It’s a good thing we were closing with cp/curry/klay/dray at some point. It really was a miracle anytime we got a defensive rebound.

Actually dray is easily explained. In rewatch, he's often in the paint with 1 or 2 guys bigger than him. He's fighting at least.
Poa defenders should have lesser stats, but not on this team. Wiggins is actually one of the better rebounders. And that shouldn't happen.
Klay has probably the worst rebounding stats in the league for a guy that isn't poa and plays some pf. Most all of klays rebounds come when the closest person is his teammate. Game film shows it and the stats back it up. He's actually worse than steph and cp3.
But yeah, closing with cp3, klay, and steph hurts us.

Interesting. What kind of stats is it? Cause if there is "contested rebounds" between more than two players what kind of result will it give? And what is a contested rebound? Are there players jumping or are they just stand close? I really doubt that Dario Saric rebounds better than Rudy Gobert on contested rebounds.
Comparing traditional stats Klay is slightly above his career rebounding average.

For bigs, you also need to look at their chances.

Gobert is at 40% at 21 chances per game. He also shares the floor with guys like Kat.
Saric is at 43% at 10 chances. He's often the lone big, so more opportunities.

Tjd and loon are easily our best and should see some sort of closing minutes with dray.

Contested rebound just means you get the rebound when there is an opponent within 3.5 ft.

Klay is at 11% during losses. Even steph has a 20% rate. 11% is simply embarrassing. He's bigger than steph and wiggins, in a better position to rebound, yet won't try to rebound.

So, his traditional rebounding numbers may seem normal, but most of his rebounds are coming with no opponent near him.

In clutch time, everyone needs to fight for rebounds. But when you have steph, klay, and cp3 (especially klay and cp3), the team isn't going to get rebounds in close games. This team has only 3 players under 20% (consider 40% being pretty good). And it's those same 3 that kerr loves to close games with.

[Onus]

That's actually symptom of the problem, not THE problem.

We struggle in half court sets because we over rely on steph by design.

But when we defend and rebound, we can run which makes it easier on the offense. We no longer have to force the offense because we keep a cushion. And in clutch time, teams actually force the issue and hunt weak links, so kerr makes it easier by having 3 guys on the court that can't defend nor rebound. That's why we struggle.

Adding a second option still gives us the same defensive problems, because it just continues to pressure us to make every shot. Some of those clutch games we lose are mostly when we score 130+ points. It's not that we can't score, it's we can't stop anyone.

It could be that Kerr has been searching for a 2nd option, a change up or more variety on offense because he thinks that’s what lost us the series against the lakers. Kerr has been searching for answers all year but has mostly just come up empty.

In 2022, we didn't need a second option because we had multiple options in klay, poole, and wiggins. But since then, we've gone through a shift of being 90% dependant on steph. Steph and klay are the only ones allowed to shoot the ball right now. I think jk and wiggins combine for less shot attempts than even dray in clutch situations. And those shots attempts generally come on putbacks.

We lost the lakers series because klay and poole were ASS.

I mean in 2022 Klay, Poole, Wiggins all had a shot at getting 20 in any given game more consistently. I mean our first 20 or so games no one scored over 20+ other than Steph.

In 2024 we have Klay (much worse version), JK (very matchup specific if they have a rim protecting big basically shuts him down), Wiggins is getting back to his old self. Really we're missing an opj type player.

Yes Klay and Poole sucked. We should plan on Klay still sucking. Now we're relying on JK? JK going to score on AD and Bron at the rim?

We really don't have anyone else that forces the defense to move outside of Steph. Our best option is to rely on defense, but we've been looking for another way to score. And really we just haven't found any answer. We can put together a good defensive team and then we just have to hope Steph is unstoppable. Really our rebounding down the stretch has been putrid, mostly because of Klay.

You look at all the other contenders and they all have multiple guys you have to worry about. Tatum/Brown, Dame/Giannis, Embiid/Maxey, Mitchell/Garland, Brunson/Randle, Jokic/Murray, Ant/Kat, Shai/Jdub/Chet, Harden/PG/Kawhi, KD/Booker/Beal, Ky/Luka. We just have Steph.

[KevinMcreynolds]

According to a recent podcast, the Warriors have given up an offensive rebound in the final minutes of games over the last 15 85% of the time!

So it's not complicated AT ALL. Kerr needs to substitute in Looney or JD in the final defensive possessions. Because right now, they look like a bunch of highschool players trying to reach the rebound among adults.

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/rebounding?LastNGames=0&Outcome=L&TeamID=1610612744&dir=D&sort=REB_CONTEST_PCT

What stands out? Its easy to see who is hurting the team.

11% lol

I know for a fact the Warriors have an extensive analytics team, so basically Kerr is just ignoring them.

[jozef]

For bigs, you also need to look at their chances.
Gobert is at 40% at 21 chances per game. He also shares the floor with guys like Kat.
Saric is at 43% at 10 chances. He's often the lone big, so more opportunities.
Tjd and loon are easily our best and should see some sort of closing minutes with dray.
Contested rebound just means you get the rebound when there is an opponent within 3.5 ft.
Klay is at 11% during losses. Even steph has a 20% rate. 11% is simply embarrassing. He's bigger than steph and wiggins, in a better position to rebound, yet won't try to rebound.
So, his traditional rebounding numbers may seem normal, but most of his rebounds are coming with no opponent near him.
In clutch time, everyone needs to fight for rebounds. But when you have steph, klay, and cp3 (especially klay and cp3), the team isn't going to get rebounds in close games. This team has only 3 players under 20% (consider 40% being pretty good). And it's those same 3 that kerr loves to close games with.

Opponent with 3.5 ft can just stand and bacpedaling. For sure Klay was outrebounded by Mobley or Zion but I did not see any significant dropoff when facing SGs.
This stats does not reflect if a teammate collects the rebound, if it is defensive rebound, what is the matchup, etc.
Steph had more chances than Klay? Maybe it does mean that Klay starts to run on fastbreak. Podz has more chances than Dray? Dray same percentage as Steph?
To be honest with you, I consider whole analytics section a waste of time and money. You don't need them to know who can shoot and who is athletic or smart. The whole environment is so ever-changing that any results are just ilusions. There were great coaches who never used analytics and were way more on the pulse of the team than coaches nowadays.

[oaktownwarriors87]

No inside threat and no second option. The Lakers showed the NBA how to dominate the Warriors (pack the paint and press the three point line).

Without and inside threat, a mid range threat or a legit 2nd option this team is EASY to beat in the playoffs/clutch, which is why we've blown so many leads.


The only player that provides any kind of diversity to this offense is TJD. Get that man some **** minutes.

https://youtube.com/shorts/Vik8-Qei-vU?si=dVwSwj_W7DH-xFFa

I've never seen that. I'm glad he was able to call it out. It made me want to look up more Warriors vs Lakers on Youtube and this is the first thing I came across. Just a pathetic interior presence.

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