ImageImageImageImageImage

4/2- Game 75: Mavericks (45-29) @ Warriors (40-34) 7pm TNT

Moderators: floppymoose, Sleepy51, Chris Porter's Hair

vvoland
Senior
Posts: 636
And1: 111
Joined: Jun 26, 2008

Re: 4/2- Game 75: Mavericks (45-29) @ Warriors (40-34) 7pm TNT 

Post#241 » by vvoland » Wed Apr 3, 2024 5:07 am

Onus wrote:Also John gobble and jacyn goble hate us. They’re some of the worst refs against us.


Everyone hates Steph. I really don't know why. He seems like a super nice guy. He is respectful to the refs. Talks to the without the crazy body language (*cough dray *cough). Doesn't hound them constantly like Luka. Doesn't grift like harden and Luka and LeBron and ... but he gets the worst whistle a star, much less superstar, has gotten in my 30+ years of watching basketball. JK gets a better whistle. Dude is top 10 all time, probably greatest point guard every. Inarguably, the greatest player under 6-3. How does the league allow him to get mauled, off ball and on drives
CDM_Stats
Head Coach
Posts: 6,451
And1: 2,094
Joined: Oct 03, 2022
 

Re: 4/2- Game 75: Mavericks (45-29) @ Warriors (40-34) 7pm TNT 

Post#242 » by CDM_Stats » Wed Apr 3, 2024 5:08 am

Crazy-Canuck wrote:Does the team hold jk out longer?

We are a better team with Wiggins getting more touches and moody getting more minutes. We actually have an identity based on defense.


Relying on injuries for the coach to make the correct call is a depressing thought
User avatar
Onus
RealGM
Posts: 19,063
And1: 5,373
Joined: May 12, 2008
Location: NOA

Re: 4/2- Game 75: Mavericks (45-29) @ Warriors (40-34) 7pm TNT 

Post#243 » by Onus » Wed Apr 3, 2024 5:09 am

vvoland wrote:
Onus wrote:Also John gobble and jacyn goble hate us. They’re some of the worst refs against us.


Everyone hates Steph. I really don't know why. He seems like a super nice guy. He is respectful to the refs. Talks to the without the crazy body language (*cough dray *cough). Doesn't hound them constantly like Luka. Doesn't grift like harden and Luka and LeBron and ... but he gets the worst whistle a star, much less superstar, has gotten in my 30+ years of watching basketball. JK gets a better whistle. Dude is top 10 all time, probably greatest point guard every. Inarguably, the greatest player under 6-3. How does the league allow him to get mauled, off ball and on drives

Steph was getting mauled on drives and didn’t get a single free throw.
Most 4th Quarter Points in Final since 1991
1995 Shaquille O'Neal 11.5
2000 Shaquille O'Neal 11.5 (61.1% TS)
2015 Stephen Curry 10.8 (75.1% TS)
1997 Michael Jordan 10.7 (55.1% TS)
1998 Michael Jordan 10.6 (50.6% TS)
2011 Dirk Nowitzki 10.3 (68.0% TS)
superunknown
Bench Warmer
Posts: 1,436
And1: 459
Joined: Sep 25, 2018
       

Re: 4/2- Game 75: Mavericks (45-29) @ Warriors (40-34) 7pm TNT 

Post#244 » by superunknown » Wed Apr 3, 2024 5:09 am

CDM_Stats wrote:
Crazy-Canuck wrote:Does the team hold jk out longer?

We are a better team with Wiggins getting more touches and moody getting more minutes. We actually have an identity based on defense.


Relying on injuries for the coach to make the correct call is a depressing thought


what coach?
killmongrel
Veteran
Posts: 2,982
And1: 1,291
Joined: Sep 18, 2018
 

Re: 4/2- Game 75: Mavericks (45-29) @ Warriors (40-34) 7pm TNT 

Post#245 » by killmongrel » Wed Apr 3, 2024 5:10 am

Moody needs to start over Klay. I just don't know what more to say than that.
vvoland
Senior
Posts: 636
And1: 111
Joined: Jun 26, 2008

Re: 4/2- Game 75: Mavericks (45-29) @ Warriors (40-34) 7pm TNT 

Post#246 » by vvoland » Wed Apr 3, 2024 5:11 am

CDM_Stats wrote:Klay leads the team in undeserved minutes and is the main character in Kerr's failure to adapt to his surroundings, like Poole and Oubre before him, bad BBIQ and lack of defensive hustle can have disastrous effects on the team defense. Its on paper, its on the court.. been in consistent decline since he came back from injury and his minutes and role have been unimpeachable to Kerr except for a several week stint where Podz supplanted him, one where both the starters and bench looked better. So of course we scrapped it

No idea why people take it personal but Klay is bar none, the biggest problem on the team, and its Kerr's usage thats driving it. And both are getting crushed in the court of public opinion for it, and deservedly so. Its indefensible



There's reasonable criticism. You've offered a bunch and while we disagree that dray's suspensions and wigs being MIA for most of the year are bigger problems, it's a reasonable argument.

Then there are people who think that Klay making a game clinching 3 with 40 seconds like he did against the Spurs is selfish and he should have run out the clock.
vvoland
Senior
Posts: 636
And1: 111
Joined: Jun 26, 2008

Re: 4/2- Game 75: Mavericks (45-29) @ Warriors (40-34) 7pm TNT 

Post#247 » by vvoland » Wed Apr 3, 2024 5:12 am

Onus wrote:
vvoland wrote:
Onus wrote:Also John gobble and jacyn goble hate us. They’re some of the worst refs against us.


Everyone hates Steph. I really don't know why. He seems like a super nice guy. He is respectful to the refs. Talks to the without the crazy body language (*cough dray *cough). Doesn't hound them constantly like Luka. Doesn't grift like harden and Luka and LeBron and ... but he gets the worst whistle a star, much less superstar, has gotten in my 30+ years of watching basketball. JK gets a better whistle. Dude is top 10 all time, probably greatest point guard every. Inarguably, the greatest player under 6-3. How does the league allow him to get mauled, off ball and on drives

Steph was getting mauled on drives and didn’t get a single free throw.


I wouldn't be surprised if Steph barely escaped an unintended pregnancy tonight
User avatar
Onus
RealGM
Posts: 19,063
And1: 5,373
Joined: May 12, 2008
Location: NOA

Re: 4/2- Game 75: Mavericks (45-29) @ Warriors (40-34) 7pm TNT 

Post#248 » by Onus » Wed Apr 3, 2024 5:12 am

superunknown wrote:
CDM_Stats wrote:
Crazy-Canuck wrote:Does the team hold jk out longer?

We are a better team with Wiggins getting more touches and moody getting more minutes. We actually have an identity based on defense.


Relying on injuries for the coach to make the correct call is a depressing thought


what coach?

I think he’s talking about coach Thompson and Paul
Most 4th Quarter Points in Final since 1991
1995 Shaquille O'Neal 11.5
2000 Shaquille O'Neal 11.5 (61.1% TS)
2015 Stephen Curry 10.8 (75.1% TS)
1997 Michael Jordan 10.7 (55.1% TS)
1998 Michael Jordan 10.6 (50.6% TS)
2011 Dirk Nowitzki 10.3 (68.0% TS)
wco81
RealGM
Posts: 22,278
And1: 9,320
Joined: Jul 04, 2013
       

Re: 4/2- Game 75: Mavericks (45-29) @ Warriors (40-34) 7pm TNT 

Post#249 » by wco81 » Wed Apr 3, 2024 5:13 am

cpower wrote:
wco81 wrote:
cpower wrote:chucking those threes while drifting in the air? god what is his % on these? like 10%?



Klay shot poorly.

Curry shot even worse.

He tried a step back on two tall forwards in the second half. That not chucking?

Or you're just eager to take another shot at Klay, like he's the only one taking bad shots.

are you really comparing Curry shot selection to Klay's? There is nothing wrong with Currys shot selection he is just not as good as making them....Klay on the other hands, he should not even attempt half of the shots he puts up...he cares about his FGA more than anything



Oh, OK mindreader, Klay is purposely putting up bad shots and purposely drifting on his jumpers because he rather have a bad FGA than no FGA.

These two are the only players on the team who've consistently hit contested shots in their careers.

Most of the other players on the team can hit open shots but they have much less margin to get shots off because they don't have the quick release nor the confidence.

Moody is on a great run but he's mostly shot wide open ones where his feet are set when he releases. Though he did a catch and shoot one where he was contested heavily. But typically he doesn't pull the trigger. I hope they've been working with him to shoot off the catch because in the NBA, a lot of the times, those are the only chances you have.

Kuminga only shoots when they're backed way off of him. Probably a good idea though he's going to have to become more proficient at those wide open looks.

Klay has hit those tough contested shots off the catch all his career and made enough of them. Including last season when the only reason the Warriors stayed in playoff contention was when he had a huge month or two (January or February 2023) when Curry was out injured.

You haters probably want to forget but last January, he scored 54 points vs. the Hawks on a LOT of FGAs. He shot 21-39 and 10-21, with 8 rebounds. Curry didn't play the game.

He and the team continue to give him this role, because he's the only one other than Steph with the pedigree to shoot that kind of volume.

Now, maybe he just simply can't have those kinds of explosions any more. But the team obviously have few options because of their cap situations.

There are going to be more and more games, as Curry ages, when they need someone to take up a lot of the scoring. People are hoping Moody is that guy or Wiggins taking up more of the offensive load.

That hasn't worked out too well this season. Lately, Moody and Wiggins are shooting better, much better for Wiggins. Kuminga gave the team some boost of offense for awhile.

Klay has shot better since first going to the bench. The last week though, his shooting hasn't been as good.

But if the team is going to do anything this season, who is going to provide scoring and spacing when teams load up on Curry, who's also been struggling with his shooting?

You going to put the onus on Moody, Kuminga, Podz? Or hope that Wiggins' fragile ego can suddenly become aggro Wiggins from 2022?

Team doesn't have many options but the haters are so eager to pile on unless Klay shoots the light out.
DonaldSanders
Lead Assistant
Posts: 5,766
And1: 7,236
Joined: Jan 22, 2012
   

Re: 4/2- Game 75: Mavericks (45-29) @ Warriors (40-34) 7pm TNT 

Post#250 » by DonaldSanders » Wed Apr 3, 2024 5:13 am

Great win!!

Bad Steph game and we pulled it out, really good sign. Great Wiggins, Moody, Podz game, they play so well together. Moody has to play! I wonder if our best lineup is Steph/Dray + those 3.

Onus wrote:Also John gobble and jacyn goble hate us. They’re some of the worst refs against us.



Yup, awful calls many times. That late fake foul on Dray, ugh. Steph getting mugged many times and 0 FTs -- one of them extremely egregious, and right in front of one a ref.
superunknown
Bench Warmer
Posts: 1,436
And1: 459
Joined: Sep 25, 2018
       

Re: 4/2- Game 75: Mavericks (45-29) @ Warriors (40-34) 7pm TNT 

Post#251 » by superunknown » Wed Apr 3, 2024 5:17 am

wco81 wrote:
ILOVEIT wrote:
wco81 wrote:

Haters looking for any way to scapegoat Klay, even on what would have been a bad call.

They'd even take two consecutive bad calls against the Warriors by the refs, as long as Klay comes out looking worse.


lol at the term "haters" for Klay. He's been AWFUL most of the year. He was bad tonight. He took some incredibly off balance hero threes in the fourth. He took a dumb ass three lasts game with the lead under 25 seconds and he got blocked on another possession under 25 again. He sucks....deal...and he get's the softest fan base there is.



Right.

Klay is mainly the reason the Warriors are #10 in the WC this year.

There's plenty to criticize about the team but the haters go in big on Klay and Kerr for giving him minutes.



he is. if they just left him home the team would have a better record.
and yes, kerr giving him 30 undeserved mins a game has been a joke all year long.
wco81
RealGM
Posts: 22,278
And1: 9,320
Joined: Jul 04, 2013
       

Re: 4/2- Game 75: Mavericks (45-29) @ Warriors (40-34) 7pm TNT 

Post#252 » by wco81 » Wed Apr 3, 2024 5:20 am

DonaldSanders wrote:Great win!!

Bad Steph game and we pulled it out, really good sign. Great Wiggins, Moody, Podz game, they play so well together. Moody has to play! I wonder if our best lineup is Steph/Dray + those 3.

Onus wrote:Also John gobble and jacyn goble hate us. They’re some of the worst refs against us.



Yup, awful calls many times. That late fake foul on Dray, ugh. Steph getting mugged many times and 0 FTs -- one of them extremely egregious, and right in front of one a ref.


Steph getting jobbed on officiating contributed to another poor shooting night inside the arc.

But the truth is, he hasn't been his usual all-NBA level since at least when he suffered that ankle injury.

It's going to be hard to do much unless he regains that top-10 or top 15 form.

He said earlier this year that he honestly thought he's never been better. He had gotten off to a great start shooting-wise.

But it's been a steady decline since around the turn of the year.
Crazy-Canuck
RealGM
Posts: 26,581
And1: 6,402
Joined: Nov 24, 2003

Re: 4/2- Game 75: Mavericks (45-29) @ Warriors (40-34) 7pm TNT 

Post#253 » by Crazy-Canuck » Wed Apr 3, 2024 5:21 am

Read on Twitter


Just look at loon and wiggins rotating and helping. They were the defense on this play. Only if loom had tjds athleticism.
wco81
RealGM
Posts: 22,278
And1: 9,320
Joined: Jul 04, 2013
       

Re: 4/2- Game 75: Mavericks (45-29) @ Warriors (40-34) 7pm TNT 

Post#254 » by wco81 » Wed Apr 3, 2024 5:22 am

superunknown wrote:
wco81 wrote:
ILOVEIT wrote:
lol at the term "haters" for Klay. He's been AWFUL most of the year. He was bad tonight. He took some incredibly off balance hero threes in the fourth. He took a dumb ass three lasts game with the lead under 25 seconds and he got blocked on another possession under 25 again. He sucks....deal...and he get's the softest fan base there is.



Right.

Klay is mainly the reason the Warriors are #10 in the WC this year.

There's plenty to criticize about the team but the haters go in big on Klay and Kerr for giving him minutes.



he is. if they just left him home the team would have a better record.
and yes, kerr giving him 30 undeserved mins a game has been a joke all year long.


So what would be their record and seeding RIGHT NOW if Klay hadn't played a minute this season?

Let's hear it, they're 41-34.

How many MORE wins would they have? 5? 10? 20?

Put up or shut up.
User avatar
Onus
RealGM
Posts: 19,063
And1: 5,373
Joined: May 12, 2008
Location: NOA

Re: 4/2- Game 75: Mavericks (45-29) @ Warriors (40-34) 7pm TNT 

Post#255 » by Onus » Wed Apr 3, 2024 5:22 am

Moody finally in a good rhythm shooting the ball. Hopefully he still finds 20 min on Thursday
Most 4th Quarter Points in Final since 1991
1995 Shaquille O'Neal 11.5
2000 Shaquille O'Neal 11.5 (61.1% TS)
2015 Stephen Curry 10.8 (75.1% TS)
1997 Michael Jordan 10.7 (55.1% TS)
1998 Michael Jordan 10.6 (50.6% TS)
2011 Dirk Nowitzki 10.3 (68.0% TS)
vvoland
Senior
Posts: 636
And1: 111
Joined: Jun 26, 2008

Re: 4/2- Game 75: Mavericks (45-29) @ Warriors (40-34) 7pm TNT 

Post#256 » by vvoland » Wed Apr 3, 2024 5:24 am

wco81 wrote:
superunknown wrote:
wco81 wrote:

Right.

Klay is mainly the reason the Warriors are #10 in the WC this year.

There's plenty to criticize about the team but the haters go in big on Klay and Kerr for giving him minutes.



he is. if they just left him home the team would have a better record.
and yes, kerr giving him 30 undeserved mins a game has been a joke all year long.


So what would be their record and seeding RIGHT NOW if Klay hadn't played a minute this season?

Let's hear it, they're 41-34.

How many MORE wins would they have? 5? 10? 20?

Put up or shut up.


Are you kidding? Clearly, they'd be 75-0, moody would be the runaway MVP and podz ROY. Come on, man. Everyone can see that
User avatar
Onus
RealGM
Posts: 19,063
And1: 5,373
Joined: May 12, 2008
Location: NOA

Re: 4/2- Game 75: Mavericks (45-29) @ Warriors (40-34) 7pm TNT 

Post#257 » by Onus » Wed Apr 3, 2024 5:24 am

wco81 wrote:
DonaldSanders wrote:Great win!!

Bad Steph game and we pulled it out, really good sign. Great Wiggins, Moody, Podz game, they play so well together. Moody has to play! I wonder if our best lineup is Steph/Dray + those 3.

Onus wrote:Also John gobble and jacyn goble hate us. They’re some of the worst refs against us.



Yup, awful calls many times. That late fake foul on Dray, ugh. Steph getting mugged many times and 0 FTs -- one of them extremely egregious, and right in front of one a ref.


Steph getting jobbed on officiating contributed to another poor shooting night inside the arc.

But the truth is, he hasn't been his usual all-NBA level since at least when he suffered that ankle injury.

It's going to be hard to do much unless he regains that top-10 or top 15 form.

He said earlier this year that he honestly thought he's never been better. He had gotten off to a great start shooting-wise.

But it's been a steady decline since around the turn of the year.

He hasn’t been the same since that ankle turn. Probably came back early since they lost to the spurs without wemby.
Most 4th Quarter Points in Final since 1991
1995 Shaquille O'Neal 11.5
2000 Shaquille O'Neal 11.5 (61.1% TS)
2015 Stephen Curry 10.8 (75.1% TS)
1997 Michael Jordan 10.7 (55.1% TS)
1998 Michael Jordan 10.6 (50.6% TS)
2011 Dirk Nowitzki 10.3 (68.0% TS)
vvoland
Senior
Posts: 636
And1: 111
Joined: Jun 26, 2008

Re: 4/2- Game 75: Mavericks (45-29) @ Warriors (40-34) 7pm TNT 

Post#258 » by vvoland » Wed Apr 3, 2024 5:28 am

Onus wrote:
wco81 wrote:
DonaldSanders wrote:Great win!!

Bad Steph game and we pulled it out, really good sign. Great Wiggins, Moody, Podz game, they play so well together. Moody has to play! I wonder if our best lineup is Steph/Dray + those 3.




Yup, awful calls many times. That late fake foul on Dray, ugh. Steph getting mugged many times and 0 FTs -- one of them extremely egregious, and right in front of one a ref.


Steph getting jobbed on officiating contributed to another poor shooting night inside the arc.

But the truth is, he hasn't been his usual all-NBA level since at least when he suffered that ankle injury.

It's going to be hard to do much unless he regains that top-10 or top 15 form.

He said earlier this year that he honestly thought he's never been better. He had gotten off to a great start shooting-wise.

But it's been a steady decline since around the turn of the year.

He hasn’t been the same since that ankle turn. Probably came back early since they lost to the spurs without wemby.


Kind of. But the shot selection and TOs should not be related to a bad ankle. I think he's running on fumes as post all star break its been tons of road games, b2bs, and 5 games in 7 night. Doesn't get much easier as we play two b2bs to finish the season and have to travel for all 4 games
CDM_Stats
Head Coach
Posts: 6,451
And1: 2,094
Joined: Oct 03, 2022
 

Re: 4/2- Game 75: Mavericks (45-29) @ Warriors (40-34) 7pm TNT 

Post#259 » by CDM_Stats » Wed Apr 3, 2024 5:29 am

vvoland wrote:Then there are people who think that Klay making a game clinching 3 with 40 seconds like he did against the Spurs is selfish and he should have run out the clock.


why try and even reason with that?

otoh there's a post a few above this one thats just 40 disjointed lines of (I'm sure) crazy Klay support followed by an entirely subjective question about how many wins removing him from the roster would create

if people are going to fake knowing ball, let them, just tired of every GT going sideways because some folks gotta have the most extreme positions to get engagement, exhausting
vvoland
Senior
Posts: 636
And1: 111
Joined: Jun 26, 2008

Re: 4/2- Game 75: Mavericks (45-29) @ Warriors (40-34) 7pm TNT 

Post#260 » by vvoland » Wed Apr 3, 2024 5:29 am

Crazy-Canuck wrote:
Read on Twitter


Just look at loon and wiggins rotating and helping. They were the defense on this play. Only if loom had tjds athleticism.


Are we just going to ignore Klay rotating and closing out on 3 pt shooters, forcing the next pass. Yes, I think we are

Return to Golden State Warriors