dice wrote:Susan wrote:dice wrote:the ball floated right into his lap! either kizer's arm was hit or it was another drawn up kizer to mack play. mack certainly didn't read the screen. he rushed the QB until the ball left his hands. he DID pay attention and take a step back to accept the gift
my bad. not really relevant, is it? doesn't change what mack did
that would be a first with you. admitted trolls don't tend to be interested in intelligent conversation
you had the info fresh in your head and still failed to recognize what happened on the play. rushing the QB -> ball released -> step back to catch the floater. nothing complicated to interpret
and the fumble: effective blocking on mack including while kizer is running in the direction of the block, then kizer makes the mistake of trying to run around the block (not paying attention to KHALIL MACK (!) in the process), allowing mack to step outside the containment and meet QB head on, stripping and falling on an unprotected football
So a mod says you're trolling, and I say I don't mind playing with you here is me being a self admitted troll?
the mod was wrong. and I told him why he was wrong. when the bears were winning in the first half, you and countless others trolled me with comments like "Dice tears taste good!" (that was you, by the way), even though nothing that was happening on the field in any way contradicted anything I had said. then when the bears collapsed, you didn't hear a peep from me. and I had every right to lay into you all you trolls at that point
and by the way, you just lied AGAIN. you did NOT say "I don't mind playing with dice" (as if there was some mutual playful banter going on. i for one take no pleasure in engaging with your constant lies, misrepresentations and unprovoked random snide comments). what you DID say was "I like playing with dice" (i.e. messing with him). big difference. I've already quoted it so you can't go back and change it now
I often return fire on trolls, but you'll never find me trolling. and disliking my argument does not make me a troll
You're free to think those plays are gifts, I disagree and I've laid out why I think they were good to great plays.
I never said they weren't good plays (except for mack getting run down without noticing the guy closing in near the endzone on the INT return). that would be another (intentional?) misinterpretation of my words on your part
and there's really no need for disagreement when the evidence is there for all to see:
slo mo replay begins at 2:49. you can double click the play button from that point forward to see the play frame by frame
-by 2:51 the nosetackle is allowed past his blocker (maybe a split second too quickly, as the objective does not include the QB getting popped)
-by 2:52 it is clear to everyone that the nosetackle has been given a free path to the QB. the only way to "read the screen" is to react at that moment. mack continues to rush the QB and for some reason continues to face resistance from his blocker, thus keeping mack in the path of the developing screen
-at 2:53 contact is made just as kizer is beginning his throwing motion. at this point mack, having kept his eye on the QB, knows that he is not going to make it to the QB and also knows that it is OK to bite on the throwing motion because a pump fake will do kizer no good (he will get sacked by the nosetackle). he plants his foot to stop forward momentum and takes a step back. kizer tosses the ball over his shoulder right to mack as he hits the turf
mack could not have been expected to recognize that the nosetackle had been given a free pass to the QB or that the O-linemen were beginning to set up a screen behind him. THAT would have been a great read. it might also have been a great play if there was something impressive about the actual interception (either great hands or an athletic play on the ball). as it stands, mack did all that he could have reasonably be expected to by recognizing when he could not get to the QB in time and taking a step back. whether he knew that the intended receiver was right behind him at that point is unknowable. a grand total of SIX things happened there that led to the interception:
1) nosetackle was probably allowed to pass by his blocker a split second too early
2) there was too much resistance to mack's rush, keeping him near the developing screen
3) the nosetackle made a nice play by getting quickly to the QB and going straight for the legs, maximizing his chance of disrupting a pass. he may have recognized that he got there a little to easily and that a screen pass was coming quickly
4) kizer shouldn't have attempted the pass because the execution was off. a good QB would have thrown the ball at the intended receiver's feet
5) the pass itself was pathetic
6) mack discontinued his rush and took a step back
i do not feel like dissecting the additional two glaring errors by kizer on the fumble
