Kareem Hunt?

[Axxo]

On what basis would they give him 8 games ? The reason he wasn't immediately suspended for 6 games is because there was no evidence that he actually violated the nfl code of conduct. Its why he was put on the commissioners list as they try and find some to suspend him on that wont be immediately overturned via appeal .

if anything this is a opportunity for the NFL to how how they can handle situations in which a player is dangerously close to crossing that line . This is something where counseling,mentorship and other things come into play for not just Hunt but for the league before things escalate.

I think 8 games b/c he assaulted a female undeniably caught on video. Plus the other reported altercations. No excuse for it. You want to discourage future behavior from him and send a message to others that its not allowed to behave like this. He may not end up getting 8 games from the NFL but that is what I would give him even after an appeal. Then I'd give him a 2nd chance. In the long run it would help in addition to the support system i would try to make sure he has. Andy Reid os known for providing resources to players from disadvantaged homes and backgrounds where players grew up in abusive situations/ under served situations and has made a point to do this for years. Kareem has had access to programs for mentorship etc. Nagy is an extension of that.

The rules state that a felony assault is a violation and an automatic 6 game suspension according to the NFL code of conduct.He did not commit a felony or even a misdemeanor as he was not charged with anything. He came out of his apartment to ask a drunk who had been beating on his door for 30 minutes to leave . The drunk rushed him violating his personal space he pushed them back and the drunk used a racial slur which escalated the situation.

The drunk in this case refuses to cooperate with the police or the NFL in this case because they would have to admit to their own transgressions and behavior in this situation.

There is no basis for him to miss any more than the games hes already missed because these "other reported incidents " are just rumors with evidence whatsoever and you have someones employer running around playing private detective investigating rumors and now you want to use a tape in which the other party doesn't want to pursue it .

This is one of those situations that should be handled with real world treatments not simply trying to appease the public

You have the right to your opinion. I still say he could have called hotel security or the police instead of coming out of the room and putting himself in that position. Theres no excuse for what he did as caught on video. None. Doesnt matter what she said. He is a professional athlete and she is a woman. He has full control of his hands and feet. If it were me making the call (and its not) he'd get 8 games minimum.

[chitownsports4ever]

The rules state that a felony assault is a violation and an automatic 6 game suspension according to the NFL code of conduct.He did not commit a felony or even a misdemeanor as he was not charged with anything. He came out of his apartment to ask a drunk who had been beating on his door for 30 minutes to leave . The drunk rushed him violating his personal space he pushed them back and the drunk used a racial slur which escalated the situation.

The drunk in this case refuses to cooperate with the police or the NFL in this case because they would have to admit to their own transgressions and behavior in this situation.

There is no basis for him to miss any more than the games hes already missed because these "other reported incidents " are just rumors with evidence whatsoever and you have someones employer running around playing private detective investigating rumors and now you want to use a tape in which the other party doesn't want to pursue it .

This is one of those situations that should be handled with real world treatments not simply trying to appease the public

You have the right to your opinion. I still say he could have called hotel security or the police instead of coming out of the room and putting himself in that position. Theres no excuse for what he did as caught on video. None. Doesn't matter what she said. He is a professional athlete and she is a woman. He has full control of his hands and feet. If it were me making the call (and its not) he'd get 8 games minimum.[/quote]

It doesn't matter that hes a pro athlete and that shes a woman thats you making excuse for her actions . No one should be hitting anyone it doesn't matter if its man or woman . Its amazing how on one hand people say so what hes a pro athlete he shouldn't be treated any differently and then turn around and want him treated differently because he is a pro athlete. Why would a young black male call the police on a young white girl in todays climate ? The amount of people claiming what he should've done or should've known is crazy because not everyone knows what you you know or would act like you would act because not everyone is from the same background .

If it was as simple as you claim he would've been suspended immediately but in most cases your job doesn't show up trying to defend the drunk who escalated a situation with you either.

[Axxo]

The rules state that a felony assault is a violation and an automatic 6 game suspension according to the NFL code of conduct.He did not commit a felony or even a misdemeanor as he was not charged with anything. He came out of his apartment to ask a drunk who had been beating on his door for 30 minutes to leave . The drunk rushed him violating his personal space he pushed them back and the drunk used a racial slur which escalated the situation.

The drunk in this case refuses to cooperate with the police or the NFL in this case because they would have to admit to their own transgressions and behavior in this situation.

There is no basis for him to miss any more than the games hes already missed because these "other reported incidents " are just rumors with evidence whatsoever and you have someones employer running around playing private detective investigating rumors and now you want to use a tape in which the other party doesn't want to pursue it .

This is one of those situations that should be handled with real world treatments not simply trying to appease the public

You have the right to your opinion. I still say he could have called hotel security or the police instead of coming out of the room and putting himself in that position. Theres no excuse for what he did as caught on video. None. Doesn't matter what she said. He is a professional athlete and she is a woman. He has full control of his hands and feet. If it were me making the call (and its not) he'd get 8 games minimum.

It doesn't matter that hes a pro athlete and that shes a woman thats you making excuse for her actions . No one should be hitting anyone it doesn't matter if its man or woman . Its amazing how on one hand people say so what hes a pro athlete he shouldn't be treated any differently and then turn around and want him treated differently because he is a pro athlete. Why would a young black male call the police on a young white girl in todays climate ? The amount of people claiming what he should've done or should've known is crazy because not everyone knows what you you know or would act like you would act because not everyone is from the same background .

If it was as simple as you claim he would've been suspended immediately but in most cases your job doesn't show up trying to defend the drunk who escalated a situation with you either.[/quote]

The rules state that a felony assault is a violation and an automatic 6 game suspension according to the NFL code of conduct.He did not commit a felony or even a misdemeanor as he was not charged with anything. He came out of his apartment to ask a drunk who had been beating on his door for 30 minutes to leave . The drunk rushed him violating his personal space he pushed them back and the drunk used a racial slur which escalated the situation.

The drunk in this case refuses to cooperate with the police or the NFL in this case because they would have to admit to their own transgressions and behavior in this situation.

There is no basis for him to miss any more than the games hes already missed because these "other reported incidents " are just rumors with evidence whatsoever and you have someones employer running around playing private detective investigating rumors and now you want to use a tape in which the other party doesn't want to pursue it .

This is one of those situations that should be handled with real world treatments not simply trying to appease the public

You have the right to your opinion. I still say he could have called hotel security or the police instead of coming out of the room and putting himself in that position. Theres no excuse for what he did as caught on video. None. Doesn't matter what she said. He is a professional athlete and she is a woman. He has full control of his hands and feet. If it were me making the call (and its not) he'd get 8 games minimum.

It doesn't matter that hes a pro athlete and that shes a woman thats you making excuse for her actions . No one should be hitting anyone it doesn't matter if its man or woman . Its amazing how on one hand people say so what hes a pro athlete he shouldn't be treated any differently and then turn around and want him treated differently because he is a pro athlete. Why would a young black male call the police on a young white girl in todays climate ? The amount of people claiming what he should've done or should've known is crazy because not everyone knows what you you know or would act like you would act because not everyone is from the same background .

If it was as simple as you claim he would've been suspended immediately but in most cases your job doesn't show up trying to defend the drunk who escalated a situation with you either.

Dont fall into the trap of using perceived discrimination as an excuse not to handle situations properly. That's a victim mentality and leads to an attitude of non-accountability and to people becoming repeat offenders. If anything todays climate calls for the person to make sure they handle everything the proper way to ensure they stay out of trouble. Had Kareem stayed in his room he wouldn't be facing discipline from the NFL and wouldn't have been released. Had he been on the team the chiefs most likely would have gone to the SB. Dont forget he lied to the Chiefs about the incident. If he was so in the right why did he lie to the Chiefs? Kareem cannot control what the other person does in that situation nor can he control the future. The only thing he could control was how he responded. The NFL has a history of trying to protect players who committed offenses....i.e. Greg Hardy, Reuben Foster. The nfl is trying to protect themselves now b/c kareem made them look bad. You say kareem was just defending himself. In martial arts they say the 1st level of self defense is to not be there in the 1st place. Meaning: He should have stayed in his room and called someone to deal with it.

[chitownsports4ever]

Dont fall into the trap of using perceived discrimination as an excuse not to handle situations properly. That's a victim mentality and leads to an attitude of non-accountability and to people becoming repeat offenders. If anything todays climate calls for the person to make sure they handle everything to proper way to ensure they stay out of trouble. Had Kareem stayed in his room he wouldn't be facing discipline from the NFL and wouldn't have been released. Had he been on the team the chiefs most likely would have gone to the SB. Dont forget he lied to the Chiefs about the incident. If he was so in the right why did he lie to the Chiefs? Kareem cannot control what the other person does in that situation nor can he control the future. The only thing he could control was how he responded. The NFL has a history of trying to protect players who committed offenses....i.e. Greg Hardy, Reuben Foster. The nfl is trying to protect themselves now b/c kareem made them look bad. You say kareem was just defending himself. In martial arts they say the 1st level of self defense is to not be there in the 1st place. Meaning: He should have stayed in his room and called someone to deal with it.

Its not a victim mentality when you dont handle the situation perfectly but handle it about as well as can be expected of a ordinary person . Its why charges were not filed in the first place .

The NFL has ZERO reason to protect Hunt there are already rules in place the issue is that Hunts situation doesn't fall under most of those rules . Hunt situation is not like Foster ,Hardy,or even Elliot which is again why hes not suspended and is on the Commissioners list .

Again your and conviction of him goes as far as you can in the video but the fact are .

1- Found out these women were under 21 and drinking and told them they had to leave

2- Gave them money for a cab

3- The one female angrily refused and stayed outside in hallway knocking on the door for a over half an hour.

4- SECURITY was called and escorted the women to Elevators after security left the one woman returned and started knocking again .

5- Hunt asks a female friend to go out and ask the girl to leave which she does and the girl attacks the female friend

6- Now you see Hunt on video come out and you see Hunt motion asking her to leave and then you see her approach Hunt get right in his face and use a racial slur in which he pushes her away .

The NFL is not trying to protect Hunt they are trying to figure out how do they punish him under their rules when a trespassing stranger escalates a situation in the manner in which they did.

Now Hunt himself admits that he was wrong because there is more he could've done to de-escalate the situation but that doesn't mean he didn't try to do it to at least a level of what one would expect of a 22 year old . The fact that you think because hes a pro athlete that a 22 year old should know how to handle every situation is ridiculous.

[Axxo]

Dont fall into the trap of using perceived discrimination as an excuse not to handle situations properly. That's a victim mentality and leads to an attitude of non-accountability and to people becoming repeat offenders. If anything todays climate calls for the person to make sure they handle everything to proper way to ensure they stay out of trouble. Had Kareem stayed in his room he wouldn't be facing discipline from the NFL and wouldn't have been released. Had he been on the team the chiefs most likely would have gone to the SB. Dont forget he lied to the Chiefs about the incident. If he was so in the right why did he lie to the Chiefs? Kareem cannot control what the other person does in that situation nor can he control the future. The only thing he could control was how he responded. The NFL has a history of trying to protect players who committed offenses....i.e. Greg Hardy, Reuben Foster. The nfl is trying to protect themselves now b/c kareem made them look bad. You say kareem was just defending himself. In martial arts they say the 1st level of self defense is to not be there in the 1st place. Meaning: He should have stayed in his room and called someone to deal with it.

Its not a victim mentality when you dont handle the situation perfectly but handle it about as well as can be expected of a ordinary person . Its why charges were not filed in the first place .

The NFL has ZERO reason to protect Hunt there are already rules in place the issue is that Hunts situation doesn't fall under most of those rules . Hunt situation is not like Foster ,Hardy,or even Elliot which is again why hes not suspended and is on the Commissioners list .

Again your and conviction of him goes as far as you can in the video but the fact are .

1- Found out these women were under 21 and drinking and told them they had to leave

2- Gave them money for a cab

3- The one female angrily refused and stayed outside in hallway knocking on the door for a over half an hour.

4- SECURITY was called and escorted the women to Elevators after security left the one woman returned and started knocking again .

5- Hunt asks a female friend to go out and ask the girl to leave which she does and the girl attacks the female friend

6- Now you see Hunt on video come out and you see Hunt motion asking her to leave and then you see her approach Hunt get right in his face and use a racial slur in which he pushes her away .

The NFL is not trying to protect Hunt they are trying to figure out how do they punish him under their rules when a trespassing stranger escalates a situation in the manner in which they did.

Now Hunt himself admits that he was wrong because there is more he could've done to de-escalate the situation but that doesn't mean he didn't try to do it to at least a level of what one would expect of a 22 year old . The fact that you think because hes a pro athlete that a 22 year old should know how to handle every situation is ridiculous.

You can say its ridiculous if you like. Fact: he was seen on video shoving a woman then came back later and kicked her while she was on the floor. That's all anyone needs to exact discipline. Fact: Hunt lied to Chiefs when asked about this situation. Why didn't he just tell them what happened the way you outlined it? He didn't tell them b/c he knew he handled it wrong. And he has had other altercations including where he punched someone in the face in a club. So do these repeated events keep happening to him b/c he is an innocent bystander/victim or is he handling the situations the wrong way repeatedly? I would opt for the latter. Even if he isn't starting the altercations he is still making the choice to put himself in the wrong places. Hunt does bare that responsibility b/c he had the most to lose. That women isn't going to get released from an NFL team nor is she going to lose money b/c of suspension. It was also reported the woman was underage correct? That means she was younger than him. Therefore he needs to be the bigger person and learn to walk away. The same lack of ability to make adult decisions applies to her too. I said he deserves a second chance so his age and his lack of ability to make adult decisions has been taken into account. However, to keep him in the NFL tough love needs to be shown now so that it deters him from making these types of decisions again that could end his career. And what does it matter if it is my opinion is he should get 8 games. I'm not the Commissioner.

[chitownsports4ever]

You can say its ridiculous if you like. Fact: he was seen on video shoving a woman then came back later and kicked her while she was on the floor. That's all anyone needs to exact discipline. Fact: Hunt lied to Chiefs when asked about this situation. Why didn't he just tell them what happened the way you outlined it? He didn't tell them b/c he knew he handled it wrong. And he has had other altercations including where he punched someone in the face in a club. So do these repeated events keep happening to him b/c he is an innocent bystander/victim or is he handling the situations the wrong way repeatedly? I would opt for the latter. Even if he isn't starting the altercations he is still making the choice to put himself in the wrong places. Hunt does bare that responsibility b/c he had the most to lose. That women isn't going to get released from an NFL team nor is she going to lose money b/c of suspension. It was also reported the woman was underage correct? That means she was younger than him. Therefore he needs to be the bigger person and learn to walk away. The same lack of ability to make adult decisions applies to her too. I said he deserves a second chance so his age and his lack of ability to make adult decisions has been taken into account. However, to keep him in the NFL tough love needs to be shown now so that it deters him from making these types of decisions again that could end his career. And what does it matter if it is my opinion is he should get 8 games. I'm not the Commissioner.

No one knows what he said to the Chiefs and they are well within their rights to cut him . You really asking why a 22 yr old did not tell his employer everything ?

What altercation where he punched someone in the face in a club ? Is there a victim ? a police report a witness ? or are you just going with whatever rumor you hear ?

What events ? you have zero proof or evidence of anything neither does the league because if what you said were even remotely true they could've suspended him already .

You keep putting your personal hang ups on him this isn't a soap opera where being the bigger person means him doing exactly what you believe is the right thing to do from your house .

Most would say that a 22 year old who gave her cab fare ,refused to party with her after they found out she was underage ,called security to escort here out and then asked a female friend to go out and talk to her again was trying to do the right thing even if it didn't work out in the end like that but thats life .

You keep saying 8 games but its a union there are rules about whats a crime and how it will be punished .

Nigel Bradhman of the eagles was suspended one game this year for being arrested for assaulting a hotel employee back in 2016

Winston was sued for groping a uber driver and got 3 games after settling the case

Zeke got 6 after his former girlfriend pressed charged against him for domestic abuse and he later pulled down a woman's top in public. The woman had pictures of her injuries Zekes people could not give any reasonable answer to as to why she had those injuries .

Donte Fowler of the Jags got suspended one game after pleading no contest to punching a man in the face and stepping on his glasses .

Now after all this Hunt should get 8 games with zero charges or even accusers ?

[Axxo]

You can say its ridiculous if you like. Fact: he was seen on video shoving a woman then came back later and kicked her while she was on the floor. That's all anyone needs to exact discipline. Fact: Hunt lied to Chiefs when asked about this situation. Why didn't he just tell them what happened the way you outlined it? He didn't tell them b/c he knew he handled it wrong. And he has had other altercations including where he punched someone in the face in a club. So do these repeated events keep happening to him b/c he is an innocent bystander/victim or is he handling the situations the wrong way repeatedly? I would opt for the latter. Even if he isn't starting the altercations he is still making the choice to put himself in the wrong places. Hunt does bare that responsibility b/c he had the most to lose. That women isn't going to get released from an NFL team nor is she going to lose money b/c of suspension. It was also reported the woman was underage correct? That means she was younger than him. Therefore he needs to be the bigger person and learn to walk away. The same lack of ability to make adult decisions applies to her too. I said he deserves a second chance so his age and his lack of ability to make adult decisions has been taken into account. However, to keep him in the NFL tough love needs to be shown now so that it deters him from making these types of decisions again that could end his career. And what does it matter if it is my opinion is he should get 8 games. I'm not the Commissioner.

No one knows what he said to the Chiefs and they are well within their rights to cut him . You really asking why a 22 yr old did not tell his employer everything ?

What altercation where he punched someone in the face in a club ? Is there a victim ? a police report a witness ? or are you just going with whatever rumor you hear ?

What events ? you have zero proof or evidence of anything neither does the league because if what you said were even remotely true they could've suspended him already .

You keep putting your personal hang ups on him this isn't a soap opera where being the bigger person means him doing exactly what you believe is the right thing to do from your house .

Most would say that a 22 year old who gave her cab fare ,refused to party with her after they found out she was underage ,called security to escort here out and then asked a female friend to go out and talk to her again was trying to do the right thing even if it didn't work out in the end like that but thats life .

You keep saying 8 games but its a union there are rules about whats a crime and how it will be punished .

Nigel Bradhman of the eagles was suspended one game this year for being arrested for assaulting a hotel employee back in 2016

Winston was sued for groping a uber driver and got 3 games after settling the case

Zeke got 6 after his former girlfriend pressed charged against him for domestic abuse and he later pulled down a woman's top in public. The woman had pictures of her injuries Zekes people could not give any reasonable answer to as to why she had those injuries .

Donte Fowler of the Jags got suspended one game after pleading no contest to punching a man in the face and stepping on his glasses .

Now after all this Hunt should get 8 games with zero charges or even accusers ?

Yep...in my opinion...8 games.

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/12/04/sport/kareem-hunt-previous-incidents/index.html

[fleet]

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25805106/multiple-teams-interested-former-kansas-city-chiefs-rb-kareem-hunt

[CBS7]

Was against signing Hunt during the season because of team chemistry but I'd be ok with it if Nagy/Pace and co decide to grab him.

[Axxo]

Hunt signed with Browns. Guess we can lock this one up