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RRyder823 wrote:

WeekapaugGroove wrote:

Ron Swanson wrote:
Louder for the people in the back aka a large segment of this board that did nothing but use this absurd narrative as a means to label it a dumb pick cuz "Something something timelines". On an organizational level, you couldn't ask for a better outcome than this. If the arrow keeps pointing up, our "rough transition period" between eras was basically one 8-9 season of mediocre football. Pretty incredible.

Did it hurt CJ Stoud to play this year? Also Love sure seemed to get better the more he you know actually played football this year. For all we know if he starts earlier maybe he wins an MVP already and the Packers are SB favorites.

Now I will conceded that very specific for Love and 2020 I think that would have been a particularly hard year to start from day 1 although Burrow has been pretty damn good so maybe I'm overstating even that aspect.

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For every Stroud there's about 4 Fields that aren't given a chance to gain confidence in a system and/or rework theit mechanics.

I'll flat out say had Rodgers been thrown to the fire he never becomes MVP Rodgers and when you look at Love I see much of the same.

When your building up mechanics in a player and they're forced to play the moment they get pressed many end up reverting back to the original way they did things and it can make the gains made in practice irrelevant if they haven't become second nature to them yet. We see that in Love with how his foot work has a habit of going to hell and reverting back to his college ways in certain situations.

Some players can work through these issues while playing. That's undeniable. It also shouldn't be denied there's a ton of QBs that have been absolutely ruined and discarded because they were forced into playing before they should have

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WeekapaugGroove wrote:

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LUKE23 wrote:Really good discussion this morning on Wilde & Tauscher about the obsession of trying to build a contender while a QB is on a rookie contract. The main point was that so few QB are ready from day 1 to walk into an organization and turn it into a winning one without development. And additionally, there are many cases where throwing guys out there too early ruined their career and/or sent the organization another direction within a couple years. Bears are likely going to have to move onto young QB #3 in seven seasons.

I fully believe had they thrown Love out in year 1 or year 2 he would have been a disaster, and then who knows where we end up. Obviously, team situation factors in, as does coaching, but it sure seems like the Packers have it down. Will it be more challenging once Love extends? Yes. But the way we hammer the draft and have a high hit percentage, we can definitely do it.

Louder for the people in the back aka a large segment of this board that did nothing but use this absurd narrative as a means to label it a dumb pick cuz "Something something timelines". On an organizational level, you couldn't ask for a better outcome than this. If the arrow keeps pointing up, our "rough transition period" between eras was basically one 8-9 season of mediocre football. Pretty incredible.

Did it hurt CJ Stoud to play this year? Also Love sure seemed to get better the more he you know actually played football this year. For all we know if he starts earlier maybe he wins an MVP already and the Packers are SB favorites.

Now I will conceded that very specific for Love and 2020 I think that would have been a particularly hard year to start from day 1 although Burrow has been pretty damn good so maybe I'm overstating even that aspect.

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WeekapaugGroove wrote:

RRyder823 wrote:

WeekapaugGroove wrote:Did it hurt CJ Stoud to play this year? Also Love sure seemed to get better the more he you know actually played football this year. For all we know if he starts earlier maybe he wins an MVP already and the Packers are SB favorites.

Now I will conceded that very specific for Love and 2020 I think that would have been a particularly hard year to start from day 1 although Burrow has been pretty damn good so maybe I'm overstating even that aspect.

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For every Stroud there's about 4 Fields that aren't given a chance to gain confidence in a system and/or rework theit mechanics.

I'll flat out say had Rodgers been thrown to the fire he never becomes MVP Rodgers and when you look at Love I see much of the same.

When your building up mechanics in a player and they're forced to play the moment they get pressed many end up reverting back to the original way they did things and it can make the gains made in practice irrelevant if they haven't become second nature to them yet. We see that in Love with how his foot work has a habit of going to hell and reverting back to his college ways in certain situations.

Some players can work through these issues while playing. That's undeniable. It also shouldn't be denied there's a ton of QBs that have been absolutely ruined and discarded because they were forced into playing before they should have

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I'm not sure the footwork thing is a good example of Love being helped by sitting since its still an issue after 3 years of working on it.

I think the major advantage of sitting is command of the playbook something Love seems to have down well.


Overall I think player development is one of those topics that's easy to argue but impossible to prove because you can't redo it for anyone. So we point at success and failure and use it as examples of why whatever we believe is right when we really don't know.

I think most QB prospects fail because it's a really hard position and most who fail would fail no matter how you develop them.

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Even more impressive considering the rockier early games for Love.

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Even more impressive considering the rockier early games for Love.

It's only for weeks 9-18

Ron Swanson wrote:I mean, we have to lock him up this offseason right? How much more expensive does he get with another full season under his belt?

Ron Swanson wrote:I mean, we have to lock him up this offseason right? How much more expensive does he get with another full season under his belt?