Game 5: Packers at Raiders - 10/9/23 - 7:15 - ESPN/Channel 12

stillgotgame · Post #421 » by **stillgotgame** » Tue Oct 10, 2023 4:28 am

ReasonablySober wrote:
jimmybones wrote:We scored 13 points with 11 days of preparation against a bad defense

To be fair Crosby is awesome and he wrecked sh*t against a young line.

Crosby was awesome. Amazing what a defensive coordinator can do when he has a talented player.

We get 1 sack from Gary and we’re thrilled - Crosby was a wrecking ball the entire game.

Post #422 » by **ReasonablySober** » Tue Oct 10, 2023 4:33 am

stillgotgame wrote:
ReasonablySober wrote:
jimmybones wrote:We scored 13 points with 11 days of preparation against a bad defense

To be fair Crosby is awesome and he wrecked sh*t against a young line.

Crosby was awesome. Amazing what a defensive coordinator can do when he has a talented player.

We get 1 sack from Gary and we’re thrilled - Crosby was a wrecking ball the entire game.

Yea, Crosby is really, really good. Not that put a lot of stock in what the players think, but they did vote him the #17 overall player in the entire league this season.

Gary's not that guy.

skones · Post #423 » by **skones** » Tue Oct 10, 2023 4:34 am

ReasonablySober wrote:
stillgotgame wrote:
ReasonablySober wrote:
To be fair Crosby is awesome and he wrecked sh*t against a young line.

Crosby was awesome. Amazing what a defensive coordinator can do when he has a talented player.

We get 1 sack from Gary and we’re thrilled - Crosby was a wrecking ball the entire game.

Yea, Crosby is really, really good. Not that put a lot of stock in what the players think, but they did vote him the #17 overall player in the entire league this season.

Gary's not that guy.

Or ya know, maybe stop trying to block him with Tucker Kraft. Gary had three sacks against the Saints in limited snaps, he WAS that guy against a better ball club.

Post #424 » by **ReasonablySober** » Tue Oct 10, 2023 4:36 am

skones wrote:
ReasonablySober wrote:
stillgotgame wrote:
Crosby was awesome. Amazing what a defensive coordinator can do when he has a talented player.

We get 1 sack from Gary and we’re thrilled - Crosby was a wrecking ball the entire game.

Yea, Crosby is really, really good. Not that put a lot of stock in what the players think, but they did vote him the #17 overall player in the entire league this season.

Gary's not that guy.

Or ya know, maybe stop trying to block him with Tucker Kraft. Gary had three sacks against the Saints in limited snaps, he WAS that guy against a better ball club.

I also really like Gary. He's also very good.

XtremeDunkz · Post #425 » by **XtremeDunkz** » Tue Oct 10, 2023 5:38 am

I'm souring more on MLF than Love.

Love has been put in a really tough spot. Terrible run game without Jones. No veteran receiver to lean on. Patchwork offensive line. Mix that with bad playcalling...

Rodgers got to walk in to an elite offense filled with pro bowl level vets.

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JayMKE · Post #426 » by **JayMKE** » Tue Oct 10, 2023 10:12 am

If the Packers make a change this season or offseason hopefully they completely clean house from Murphy on down

Ron Swanson · Post #427 » by **Ron Swanson** » Tue Oct 10, 2023 1:30 pm

Borderline season-killing loss IMO. At least from a playoffs standpoint. Not seeing too many more road wins on the schedule (Denver, Carolina, and maybe the Giants?) if we couldn't pull this one out. You expect the growing pains but you also don't expect MLF to be this outmatched schematically. Just an absolute masterclass in vanilla play-calling resulting in getting your inexperienced QB killed out there. The Raiders defense had ONE **** guy you had to account for, and we couldn't/didn't account for him....

:noway:

MVP2110 · Post #428 » by **MVP2110** » Tue Oct 10, 2023 2:14 pm

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Treebeard · Post #429 » by **Treebeard** » Tue Oct 10, 2023 2:36 pm

MVP2110 wrote:

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I'll give them credit for playing well last night. The Offense was definitely the let-down

Treebeard · Post #430 » by **Treebeard** » Tue Oct 10, 2023 7:00 pm

We know that several key players had poor games last night.

Who had a good game (overall)?
Preston Smith, Rudy Ford, Elgton Jenkins, AJ Dillon, Anders Carlson. Anyone else?

LUKE23 · Post #431 » by **LUKE23** » Tue Oct 10, 2023 7:07 pm

Packers currently 17th in DVOA on both O and D. So so far, more mediocre than terrible. I’d honestly rather have Love look awful and win 5 games over him looking mediocre and winning 8-9. We will see what happens.

https://www.ftnfantasy.com/nfl/tools/team-total-dvoa

MVP2110 · Post #432 » by **MVP2110** » Tue Oct 10, 2023 7:07 pm

Treebeard wrote:We know that several key players had poor games last night.

Who had a good game (overall)?
Preston Smith, Rudy Ford, Elgton Jenkins, AJ Dillon, Anders Carlson. Anyone else?

Nijman had a fg block. Thought Rasul played well

Ron Swanson · Post #433 » by **Ron Swanson** » Tue Oct 10, 2023 7:17 pm

I know I only really advocated for bringing Marcedes and Amos back, but this was another perfect example of why it might have actually been a good idea to go out and get a veteran in that receiver room. The amount of guys bunched together within 5-yards of each other was staggering. No one seemed to know where to be.

MoMM · Post #434 » by **MoMM** » Tue Oct 10, 2023 7:33 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:I know I only really advocated for bringing Marcedes and Amos back, but this was another perfect example of why it might have actually been a good idea to go out and get a veteran in that receiver room. The amount of guys bunched together within 5-yards of each other was staggering. No one seemed to know where to be.

Agreed, and to be fair, that would speed up their development. It's good to have a mentor.

WeekapaugGroove · Post #435 » by **WeekapaugGroove** » Tue Oct 10, 2023 7:42 pm

Conditions for Love aren't great but if you're only good when conditions around are great you're probably not 'the guy'.

For the young QB should sit thruthers in what way are we seeing those benefits right now? Because he looks like a typical young QB to me.

Also if it turns out to not be the guy and they draft someone next year do you think that guy should sit?

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MoMM · Post #436 » by **MoMM** » Tue Oct 10, 2023 7:50 pm

WeekapaugGroove wrote:Conditions for Love aren't great but if you're only good when conditions around are great you're probably not 'the guy'.

For the young QB should sit thruthers in what way are we seeing those benefits right now? Because he looks like a typical young QB to me.

Also if it turns out to not be the guy and they draft someone next year do you think that guy should sit?

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Probably sit, because I don't see us using a 1st round in another QB, maybe a 2nd considering that we have 2. If Love doesn't show any signs of progress, then, maybe this other rookie could take over during the season.

Mags FTW · Post #437 » by **Mags FTW** » Tue Oct 10, 2023 8:44 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:I know I only really advocated for bringing Marcedes and Amos back, but this was another perfect example of why it might have actually been a good idea to go out and get a veteran in that receiver room. The amount of guys bunched together within 5-yards of each other was staggering. No one seemed to know where to be.

The worst is when they run their route and then just stand there when Love breaks the pocket. If I were an OC, I'd make a "rule" saying when the QB breaks the pocket run back to the LOS if you are inside the hashes and go long if you are outside. Or something similar involving strong side/weak side, TEs/WR. 1) You get everyone moving which should cause confusion in the secondary as to who has who. 2) You get receivers on at least 2 different levels so they aren't all crammed into the same space. Aikman pointed out how dumb it is to have so many guys running a route in the same area.

Treebeard · Post #438 » by **Treebeard** » Tue Oct 10, 2023 11:14 pm

Snap counts and commentary from Evan Western:

https://www.acmepackingcompany.com/2023/10/10/23911360/packers-week-5-snap-counts-defense-deals-with-losses-of-quay-walker-darnell-savage

WeekapaugGroove · Post #439 » by **WeekapaugGroove** » Wed Oct 11, 2023 12:10 am

Treebeard wrote:Snap counts and commentary from Evan Western:

https://www.acmepackingcompany.com/2023/10/10/23911360/packers-week-5-snap-counts-defense-deals-with-losses-of-quay-walker-darnell-savage

I thought the D looked fine with Walker and Savage out. Savage straight up sucks so no surprise there. I'll be curious to see how things look it Walker misses time because I still think it's a bit of a good splash play/less noticable bad read fundamentals mix from him.

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MVP2110 · Post #440 » by **MVP2110** » Wed Oct 11, 2023 12:25 am

WeekapaugGroove wrote:
Treebeard wrote:Snap counts and commentary from Evan Western:

https://www.acmepackingcompany.com/2023/10/10/23911360/packers-week-5-snap-counts-defense-deals-with-losses-of-quay-walker-darnell-savage
I thought the D looked fine with Walker and Savage out. Savage straight up sucks so no surprise there. I'll be curious to see how things look it Walker misses time because I still think it's a bit of a good splash play/less noticable bad read fundamentals mix from him.

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The one play I really noticed missing Walker was on the Jacobs TD run, Mcduffie & Wilson got moved out of the way so easily