Thoughts on the final 53 and depth chart

[benchmobbin02]

Read it again. No, I didn't say it was bad.

I ask you to tell me after examining his stats that you'd offer him 5yrs and 70 mil...

Let's see...

He has missed almost half the year with injury.

He is a "deep threat" with 21 targets over 20yards, 7 catches and 1 td and Crabtree has 21targets over 20yards, 7 catches and 4tds.

He is a "redzone maven" (wth haha) with only 2 tds and Crabby has 7

Their catch rate is almost identical Jeffery's 59.5 to Crabby's 58.9.

So you would have rather let Crabby test free agency than reward a productive guy? He took a prove it deal from us and proved it and has shown loyalty and been a great teammate.

Knowing what has happened in the past when we go after the marquee guys on the market (they bait and switch us), the chance of signing Jeffery are slim and then we'd probably lose Crabby too if we let him go to FA. A smart GM like Reggie knows the value that Crabtree brings and the fact that we can sign him to a great deal for both sides.

Crab got a 8 mil a year over 4 yrs and 10 mil guaranteed which means that probably his yr one base is guaranteed and then has a 2mil bonus split between the 4 yrs. So if he acts out or gets injured or falls off in production next yr we can cut him with barely any dead money. Just a smart move by Reggie leveraged by the probability we'd never sign Jeffery.

Look at the free agent WR class in 2016. Jeffery is by far the top guy which means he'll have the most suitors. The other guys are Bolden (35), Floyd (34), Harvin, Randle, Quick, Matthews and etc. Gets worse from there.

The Crabtree deal is just better business.

[FNQ]

No you just implied that it was, citing his statline. As he finally missed games, you act like its habitual with him. And when he came back, he came out on fire and is clearly a better WR than Crabtree. I mean its downright funny that you downplay someone you call a situational deep threat having a better catch rate and lower drop rate than a possession receiver.. and citing individual WR #s while not recognizing the talent gap in QB? Cmon. BTW, Jeffery has one of the highest target and catch rates inside the redzone. Hasn't led to many TDs, but that's more of a CHI issue than a Jeffery issue. That's why tracking stats exist.

I've already said that Crabtree with little guaranteed money outside of first 2 years is fine. We retain the insurance of being able to cut him if his inner diva comes crawling out for whatever reason. And I still maintain that we have this rapidly closing window of being able to sign a big name in free agency - yes, we will overpay, but the window of having our best talents on rookie contracts will be slamming shut soon, and surrounding our young guys with talent should be a priority. Jeffery was just one of many names I listed, but harping on him like paying him like a #1 isn't a good idea, and citing cherry picked stats to prove it.. its very weak.

Also one thing that stood out.. how does one prove loyalty on a one year deal? By signing an extension that makes him #14 on the WR payscale?

[benchmobbin02]

No, for the second time, I wasn't implying that it was bad. I was asking if you thought it was a good idea to offer Jeffery 5 for 70 deal when we probably won't be able to sign he and then we'd lose the upper hand at signing Crabtree. You answered that you would offer him that deal. Not gonna happen.

I notice you said nothing of the fact that we'd most likely not be able to sign him as there will be a bidding war for the best FA at the position and we won't be the only team that will have to overpay to get him interested. That means a drastic overpay will probably be needed to bring him in. That isn't good business. What about Reggie makes you think that would fly?

We both can go back and forth with stats and who has the better qb and what not all day because stats can be tilted to anyone's argument. Jeffery is good and Crabtree is good. It's a better deal for the Raiders to get Crabtree on this deal then losing out them both in the offseason. Period.

Im not harping on Crabtree. I addressed the other guys you mentioned with what I thought. Then you rolled your eyes at my praise of Reggie for getting a great deal done with a very productive player and I addressed it. Simple.

Crabtree has said on more then one occasion that he loves playing here and proved it by signing long term when he could have taken his great season long performance to FA and gotten a bigger deal. Loyalty. Maybe not a bigger by a huge amount but he would have gotten a bigger deal and more guaranteed money for sure on the open market.

[Quake Griffin]

Looks like Condo might miss the rest of the season.

Wonder if we'll find someone to replace him or just insert Lee Smith.
We clearly didn't feel comfortable with Smith snapping the ball for the PAT.

[benchmobbin02]

We'll sign a back up long snapper if Condo can't go. They are a specialist position just like kickers and punters. Lee might be able to get away with a punt snap reliably but fg snaps is a tall order for someone who is part time trained at it. Plus Lee has a cast on his hand.

[Twinkie defense]

Kinda hard to snap with a cast on your hand


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[benchmobbin02]

Exactly

[benchmobbin02]

Losing Valles sucks because I have been pumping him all year as a guy that might produce in the future as an edge rusher. But he is signed thru 2016 with Buffalo but if now we get a look at him on the field and if at anytime he falls to their PS this year or next we have the chance to grab him back.

Regardless, I wish him the best.

[benchmobbin02]

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So Howard is headed to the IR also. Should get a few games to see the young buck.

[Quake Griffin]

MEJ goes on IR.
Del Rio says it's a significant neck injury.


smfh. He put together a solid rookie year. Hopefully this injury isn't a precursor to something worse or him being constantly injured.