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CrimsonCrew wrote:Yeah, my only concern with Shanahan is his game management. The playcalling late in the SB actually wasn't bad. He was getting guys open, but there was kind of a perfect storm of Garoppolo not seeing them, Chris Jones batting balls at the line (three!!!), Person getting dominated, and Garoppolo missing open players.
The bigger issue in that game was Shanahan's overall approach. Not taking a serious shot at scoring at the end of the second was criminal. Our offense was moving the ball almost at will, but we let so much time run off the clock that when Kittle was called for PI, we had no chance to do anything. We needed points. And going into a shell at the end of the half - precisely the time you should be trying to drive down and add points - was a common thread in our losses this year.
Scoots1994 wrote:CrimsonCrew wrote:Yeah, my only concern with Shanahan is his game management. The playcalling late in the SB actually wasn't bad. He was getting guys open, but there was kind of a perfect storm of Garoppolo not seeing them, Chris Jones batting balls at the line (three!!!), Person getting dominated, and Garoppolo missing open players.
The bigger issue in that game was Shanahan's overall approach. Not taking a serious shot at scoring at the end of the second was criminal. Our offense was moving the ball almost at will, but we let so much time run off the clock that when Kittle was called for PI, we had no chance to do anything. We needed points. And going into a shell at the end of the half - precisely the time you should be trying to drive down and add points - was a common thread in our losses this year.
I think Shanahan gets burned when he's aggressive so he gets a little more conservative, then when he gets a little more conservative he gets called out on it too. There really is no winning for him at this point. The real issue was the injuries and the defense not being able to get a number of critical stops.
wco81 wrote:He has one good season out of 3 and they extend his contract?
Besides play calling I would say personnel management has been hit and miss.
They're in the window now though, unless they drop way off from last year, when a lot of things went right -- and two seasons ago, a lot went wrong.
CrimsonCrew wrote:Scoots1994 wrote:CrimsonCrew wrote:Yeah, my only concern with Shanahan is his game management. The playcalling late in the SB actually wasn't bad. He was getting guys open, but there was kind of a perfect storm of Garoppolo not seeing them, Chris Jones batting balls at the line (three!!!), Person getting dominated, and Garoppolo missing open players.
The bigger issue in that game was Shanahan's overall approach. Not taking a serious shot at scoring at the end of the second was criminal. Our offense was moving the ball almost at will, but we let so much time run off the clock that when Kittle was called for PI, we had no chance to do anything. We needed points. And going into a shell at the end of the half - precisely the time you should be trying to drive down and add points - was a common thread in our losses this year.
I think Shanahan gets burned when he's aggressive so he gets a little more conservative, then when he gets a little more conservative he gets called out on it too. There really is no winning for him at this point. The real issue was the injuries and the defense not being able to get a number of critical stops.
Injuries happen every year, and this team was relatively healthy come the playoffs. Saying that was the issue is a major cop out IMO.
The offense needed to put up more than 20 points against the Chiefs. Defense bears their share of the blame for the late collapse, but they were sensational for three-and-a-half quarters. If the offense had executed the same way, the Niners win that one going away.
CrimsonCrew wrote:Yeah, my only concern with Shanahan is his game management. The playcalling late in the SB actually wasn't bad. He was getting guys open, but there was kind of a perfect storm of Garoppolo not seeing them, Chris Jones batting balls at the line (three!!!), Person getting dominated, and Garoppolo missing open players.
The bigger issue in that game was Shanahan's overall approach. Not taking a serious shot at scoring at the end of the second was criminal. Our offense was moving the ball almost at will, but we let so much time run off the clock that when Kittle was called for PI, we had no chance to do anything. We needed points. And going into a shell at the end of the half - precisely the time you should be trying to drive down and add points - was a common thread in our losses this year.
Scoots1994 wrote:CrimsonCrew wrote:Yeah, my only concern with Shanahan is his game management. The playcalling late in the SB actually wasn't bad. He was getting guys open, but there was kind of a perfect storm of Garoppolo not seeing them, Chris Jones batting balls at the line (three!!!), Person getting dominated, and Garoppolo missing open players.
The bigger issue in that game was Shanahan's overall approach. Not taking a serious shot at scoring at the end of the second was criminal. Our offense was moving the ball almost at will, but we let so much time run off the clock that when Kittle was called for PI, we had no chance to do anything. We needed points. And going into a shell at the end of the half - precisely the time you should be trying to drive down and add points - was a common thread in our losses this year.
I think Shanahan gets burned when he's aggressive so he gets a little more conservative, then when he gets a little more conservative he gets called out on it too. There really is no winning for him at this point. The real issue was the injuries and the defense not being able to get a number of critical stops.
CrimsonCrew wrote:As if on cue, Samuel breaks his foot. Injuries are an issue every year. You've got to be able to absorb them and keep moving forward.
Scoots1994 wrote:CrimsonCrew wrote:Scoots1994 wrote:
I think Shanahan gets burned when he's aggressive so he gets a little more conservative, then when he gets a little more conservative he gets called out on it too. There really is no winning for him at this point. The real issue was the injuries and the defense not being able to get a number of critical stops.
Injuries happen every year, and this team was relatively healthy come the playoffs. Saying that was the issue is a major cop out IMO.
The offense needed to put up more than 20 points against the Chiefs. Defense bears their share of the blame for the late collapse, but they were sensational for three-and-a-half quarters. If the offense had executed the same way, the Niners win that one going away.
The 49ers were the 4th most injured team in the NFL and made it to the SB despite it. The beginning of the season was domination, then injuries hit and they had to keep changing the way they played because of them. The fact that despite having so many critical injuries they won so many games and they kept making adjustments that worked at all was, to me, a sign of good coaching.
I'm not saying Shanahan is perfect, but neither was Walsh or any other coach. Shanahan's scheme is at Walsh' level for innovation, but I agree his play calling does get strange at times.
I_am_1z wrote:CrimsonCrew wrote:Yeah, my only concern with Shanahan is his game management. The playcalling late in the SB actually wasn't bad. He was getting guys open, but there was kind of a perfect storm of Garoppolo not seeing them, Chris Jones batting balls at the line (three!!!), Person getting dominated, and Garoppolo missing open players.
The bigger issue in that game was Shanahan's overall approach. Not taking a serious shot at scoring at the end of the second was criminal. Our offense was moving the ball almost at will, but we let so much time run off the clock that when Kittle was called for PI, we had no chance to do anything. We needed points. And going into a shell at the end of the half - precisely the time you should be trying to drive down and add points - was a common thread in our losses this year.
You keep saying this contrary to what the leaders on the Chiefs defense thought.
CrimsonCrew wrote:Scoots1994 wrote:CrimsonCrew wrote:
Injuries happen every year, and this team was relatively healthy come the playoffs. Saying that was the issue is a major cop out IMO.
The offense needed to put up more than 20 points against the Chiefs. Defense bears their share of the blame for the late collapse, but they were sensational for three-and-a-half quarters. If the offense had executed the same way, the Niners win that one going away.
The 49ers were the 4th most injured team in the NFL and made it to the SB despite it. The beginning of the season was domination, then injuries hit and they had to keep changing the way they played because of them. The fact that despite having so many critical injuries they won so many games and they kept making adjustments that worked at all was, to me, a sign of good coaching.
I'm not saying Shanahan is perfect, but neither was Walsh or any other coach. Shanahan's scheme is at Walsh' level for innovation, but I agree his play calling does get strange at times.
There are a lot of different ways to measure injury impact. I haven't seen one that has the Niners as the fourth-most injured team, but certainly they had a lot and some fairly significant ones. That said, I disagree with your review of the season. The Niners were dominant early in part because they were playing bad teams. Tampa Bay, Cincy, Cleveland. They should have dominated those (and they did not dominate Tampa Bay, for the record). They hit a rough patch in the middle of the season, losing three or four OTs, Kittle, Jusczcyk, Ford, Alexander, Richburg, where they were in a bad place. But they got most of those guys back for the playoffs and were once again dominant as they showed in absolutely steam-rolling both NCF teams en route to the Super Bowl.
And I agree that Shanahan was fairly masterful in winning big games despite, for instance, starting his fourth and fifth OTs. I just think it's an oversimplification and an excuse to blame the Super Bowl loss on injuries. We were relatively healthy by that game.
CrimsonCrew wrote:Scoots1994 wrote:CrimsonCrew wrote:
Injuries happen every year, and this team was relatively healthy come the playoffs. Saying that was the issue is a major cop out IMO.
The offense needed to put up more than 20 points against the Chiefs. Defense bears their share of the blame for the late collapse, but they were sensational for three-and-a-half quarters. If the offense had executed the same way, the Niners win that one going away.
The 49ers were the 4th most injured team in the NFL and made it to the SB despite it. The beginning of the season was domination, then injuries hit and they had to keep changing the way they played because of them. The fact that despite having so many critical injuries they won so many games and they kept making adjustments that worked at all was, to me, a sign of good coaching.
I'm not saying Shanahan is perfect, but neither was Walsh or any other coach. Shanahan's scheme is at Walsh' level for innovation, but I agree his play calling does get strange at times.
There are a lot of different ways to measure injury impact. I haven't seen one that has the Niners as the fourth-most injured team, but certainly they had a lot and some fairly significant ones. That said, I disagree with your review of the season. The Niners were dominant early in part because they were playing bad teams. Tampa Bay, Cincy, Cleveland. They should have dominated those (and they did not dominate Tampa Bay, for the record). They hit a rough patch in the middle of the season, losing three or four OTs, Kittle, Jusczcyk, Ford, Alexander, Richburg, where they were in a bad place. But they got most of those guys back for the playoffs and were once again dominant as they showed in absolutely steam-rolling both NCF teams en route to the Super Bowl.
And I agree that Shanahan was fairly masterful in winning big games despite, for instance, starting his fourth and fifth OTs. I just think it's an oversimplification and an excuse to blame the Super Bowl loss on injuries. We were relatively healthy by that game.
Pattersonca65 wrote:CrimsonCrew wrote:Scoots1994 wrote:
The 49ers were the 4th most injured team in the NFL and made it to the SB despite it. The beginning of the season was domination, then injuries hit and they had to keep changing the way they played because of them. The fact that despite having so many critical injuries they won so many games and they kept making adjustments that worked at all was, to me, a sign of good coaching.
I'm not saying Shanahan is perfect, but neither was Walsh or any other coach. Shanahan's scheme is at Walsh' level for innovation, but I agree his play calling does get strange at times.
There are a lot of different ways to measure injury impact. I haven't seen one that has the Niners as the fourth-most injured team, but certainly they had a lot and some fairly significant ones. That said, I disagree with your review of the season. The Niners were dominant early in part because they were playing bad teams. Tampa Bay, Cincy, Cleveland. They should have dominated those (and they did not dominate Tampa Bay, for the record). They hit a rough patch in the middle of the season, losing three or four OTs, Kittle, Jusczcyk, Ford, Alexander, Richburg, where they were in a bad place. But they got most of those guys back for the playoffs and were once again dominant as they showed in absolutely steam-rolling both NCF teams en route to the Super Bowl.
And I agree that Shanahan was fairly masterful in winning big games despite, for instance, starting his fourth and fifth OTs. I just think it's an oversimplification and an excuse to blame the Super Bowl loss on injuries. We were relatively healthy by that game.
https://www.ninersnation.com/2020/4/17/21224196/49ers-were-the-fourth-most-injury-struck-team-in-2019-according-to-football-outsiders