Use or trade the 2023 First Round Pick?

That_Casual · Post #1 » by **That_Casual** » Mon Mar 20, 2023 3:26 pm

So… what would you guys do with the FRP this upcoming draft? Use or trade it.

Personally i’d package it with Beasley and a couple more seconds and get a starting level shooting guard.

Would Denver take that for KCP

ROballer · Post #2 » by **ROballer** » Mon Mar 20, 2023 3:35 pm

That trash can is not worth that much, wtf?

You don't trade a pick in the low to mid teens + a shooter like Beasley(albeit one who's struggling right now) for a player who has a limited value as it is and close to no upside going forward

We already traded an unprotected pick for Beasley/Vanderbilt. Now you want to trade another one to get rid of him?
We're giving away picks like they're nothing?

Not happening. We're keeping the pick unless we can find a real player who moves the needle. KCP ain't it.
If you do your homework well, you can get a 95% KCP value from a 19-20 year old guy from day one, with infinite more upside in the future.

That_Casual · Post #3 » by **That_Casual** » Mon Mar 20, 2023 4:23 pm

ROballer wrote:That trash can is not worth that much, wtf?

You don't trade a pick in the low to mid teens + a shooter like Beasley(albeit one who's struggling right now) for a player who has a limited value as it is and close to no upside going forward

We already traded an unprotected pick for Beasley/Vanderbilt. Now you want to trade another one to get rid of him?
We're giving away picks like they're nothing?

Not happening. We're keeping the pick unless we can find a real player who moves the needle. KCP ain't it.
If you do your homework well, you can get a 95% KCP value from a 19-20 year old guy from day one, with infinite more upside in the future.

Yeah lets just sit around and waste a 38 year old Bron. Genius idea.

If you think this roster can win a championship you’re delusional. Beasley is ass. He offers NOTHING to this team. He’s literally just a chucker. Damn **** right I want him traded. Get someone who can actually shoot and defend. And KCP does that. If you think 18 year old #17/18 pick is gonna give you what KCP does right now you’re mistaken.

This team is win now. So trade whatever the **** needs traded and get pieces to win now. Trade this years pick for a starting SG. Trade the 29 pick and get a quality defensive minded point guard. Ideally Caruso.

Oh and we didn’t trade an unprotected pick. It was protected. And **** the picks. When did the Lakers last build through the draft? When AD and Bron leave they’ll be replaced by star free agents. Not draft picks.

And having KCP on this team would make it FAR more likely to win than Beasley does. KCP shoots better and defends FAR better. Good luck in the playoffs with a back court defence of DLo and Beasley.

Trent Jr at the deadline was the move that should have happened.

ROballer · Post #4 » by **ROballer** » Mon Mar 20, 2023 4:33 pm

Trent caliber player is one thing.

Kentavious Caldwell Trash can is another.

I remember the Phoenix series vividly, if you don't it's your business.So spare me about the playoffs KCP, him and Kuzma cost us that series. That's why both their asses were traded soon after.

Denver traded Will Barton for him to the Wizards, then Barton was bought out.That's how valuable he really is in this league. And you want a give up a pick in the teens for him.

You are the only delusional guy here. I didn't say don't trade the pick, but at least have the decency of thinking of a better deal. This deal is completely unrealistic from our part, it's a BAD DEAL.

You named Trent. It's a progress.

Bruce Brown is a much much much better player from the Nuggets as well.

ROballer · Post #5 » by **ROballer** » Mon Mar 20, 2023 4:44 pm

That_Casual wrote:
ROballer wrote:That trash can is not worth that much, wtf?

You don't trade a pick in the low to mid teens + a shooter like Beasley(albeit one who's struggling right now) for a player who has a limited value as it is and close to no upside going forward

We already traded an unprotected pick for Beasley/Vanderbilt. Now you want to trade another one to get rid of him?
We're giving away picks like they're nothing?

Not happening. We're keeping the pick unless we can find a real player who moves the needle. KCP ain't it.
If you do your homework well, you can get a 95% KCP value from a 19-20 year old guy from day one, with infinite more upside in the future.

Yeah lets just sit around and waste a 38 year old Bron. Genius idea.

If you think this roster can win a championship you’re delusional. Beasley is ass. He offers NOTHING to this team. He’s literally just a chucker. Damn **** right I want him traded. Get someone who can actually shoot and defend. And KCP does that. If you think 18 year old #17/18 pick is gonna give you what KCP does right now you’re mistaken.

This team is win now. So trade whatever the **** needs traded and get pieces to win now. Trade this years pick for a starting SG. Trade the 29 pick and get a quality defensive minded point guard. Ideally Caruso.

Oh and we didn’t trade an unprotected pick. It was protected. And **** the picks. When did the Lakers last build through the draft? When AD and Bron leave they’ll be replaced by star free agents. Not draft picks.

And having KCP on this team would make it FAR more likely to win than Beasley does. KCP shoots better and defends FAR better. Good luck in the playoffs with a back court defence of DLo and Beasley.

Trent Jr at the deadline was the move that should have happened.

A few more things

1. You don't build around 38 year old Lebron, period. The guy is not available enough anymore. If you trade the pick, you trade it for a guy reasonably young you can use post Lebron as well.

2. You do realize we got Davis for a package involving DRAFT PICKS? Both future picks and young players we drafted in the lottery.

The fact that you expect FA to fall from the sky just because we're the Lakers is plain dumb. How many top tier FA's have signed with us in the last 10 year, sans Lebron? I'm waiting...
And if you don't have assets you're not getting Davis' caliber players in trades either.

TylersLakers · Post #6 » by **TylersLakers** » Mon Mar 20, 2023 11:10 pm

I'd accept the team option on Bamba and combine him with Max Christie, Davon Reed and the 1st round pick to get something juicy. Dorian Finney Smith would be a name I'd go after. Brooklyn will have to pay Cam Johnson.

- Re-sign D-Lo, 3 years + player option starting at $20M
- Decline team option on Beasley, re-sign for three year deal starting at $13M
- Re-sign Austin Reaves, 4 year deal starting at 11M (his max for next year)
- Accept team option on Jarred Vanderbilt, $4.7M (He'll be extension eligible, I'd look to sign him to an extension that wouldn't kick in until the following season)

Team salary:

LeBron: $46.7M
AD: $40.6M
Russell: $20M
Beasley: $13M
DFS: $13M
Reaves: $11M
Vanderbilt: $4.7M

Total: $149M

The hard cap will probably be around $170-175M which would give us full use of our MLE and BLE.

- Sign Schroder, BLE, $5M, 2 years.
- Sign Christian Wood, MLE, $11M, 2 years + player option 3rd year.

PG: Russell/Schroder
SG: Beasley/Reaves/
SF: DFS/
PF: LeBron/Vanderbilt/
C: AD/Wood

Pretty damn good 9 man rotation. They'll have a good 2nd round pick this year. Get a few vet mins to round out the roster and you're good.

Dr Aki · Post #7 » by **Dr Aki** » Mon Mar 20, 2023 11:34 pm

Not using the pick given how good our scouting department is, is sporting malpractice

We could've had a cost-controlled Desmond Bane coming off the bench

Just trust that your sporting department is going to find gems and use that to your advantage instead of trying to buy high.

If we had some cheap depth, we wouldn't have been so **** by the Westbrook trade

LAKESHOW · Post #8 » by **LAKESHOW** » Mon Mar 20, 2023 11:57 pm

Only 1 guy out there i see. Fred Van vleet. And even then he is a Long Shot

tamaraw08 · Post #9 » by **tamaraw08** » Tue Mar 21, 2023 2:06 am

LAKESHOW wrote:Only 1 guy out there i see. Fred Van vleet. And even then he is a Long Shot

Kyrie is s much better overall player/shooter but is too unstable mentally.
D’Lo is also a better shooter and taller and therefore more flexible but I have major concerns about his dedication.
And so I’ll rather have FVV but they need to make sure they have enough money to resign Reaves.

That_Casual · Post #10 » by **That_Casual** » Tue Mar 21, 2023 2:46 pm

tamaraw08 wrote:
LAKESHOW wrote:Only 1 guy out there i see. Fred Van vleet. And even then he is a Long Shot

Kyrie is s much better overall player/shooter but is too unstable mentally.
D’Lo is also a better shooter and taller and therefore more flexible but I have major concerns about his dedication.
And so I’ll rather have FVV but they need to make sure they have enough money to resign Reaves.

Surely hard capping at the apron (168m next season) won’t be a good idea?

Only way to get Kyrie or FVV is s&t

That_Casual · Post #11 » by **That_Casual** » Tue Mar 21, 2023 2:48 pm

TylersLakers wrote:I'd accept the team option on Bamba and combine him with Max Christie, Davon Reed and the 1st round pick to get something juicy. Dorian Finney Smith would be a name I'd go after. Brooklyn will have to pay Cam Johnson.

- Re-sign D-Lo, 3 years + player option starting at $20M
- Decline team option on Beasley, re-sign for three year deal starting at $13M
- Re-sign Austin Reaves, 4 year deal starting at 11M (his max for next year)
- Accept team option on Jarred Vanderbilt, $4.7M (He'll be extension eligible, I'd look to sign him to an extension that wouldn't kick in until the following season)

Team salary:

LeBron: $46.7M
AD: $40.6M
Russell: $20M
Beasley: $13M
DFS: $13M
Reaves: $11M
Vanderbilt: $4.7M

Total: $149M

The hard cap will probably be around $170-175M which would give us full use of our MLE and BLE.

- Sign Schroder, BLE, $5M, 2 years.
- Sign Christian Wood, MLE, $11M, 2 years + player option 3rd year.

PG: Russell/Schroder
SG: Beasley/Reaves/
SF: DFS/
PF: LeBron/Vanderbilt/
C: AD/Wood

Pretty damn good 9 man rotation. They'll have a good 2nd round pick this year. Get a few vet mins to round out the roster and you're good.

So much wrong here it’s hard to know where to start

Post #12 » by **Kilroy** » Tue Mar 21, 2023 6:53 pm

Neither LeBron, nor AD have shown that they can be counted on to take us deep into the playoffs, for the last 3 seasons now... The term 'Wasting another year of LeBron's prime' should be out the window at this point...
We should get the best available talent with that pick, period. Sure, trade it if there's something that moves the needle (not KCP), but we shouldn't be afraid to use it either, if there's something intriguing on the board.

stan francisco · Post #13 » by **stan francisco** » Tue Mar 21, 2023 9:29 pm

FVV or DFS? Sure.

Otherwise, I trust our scouts.

NBAWestFan · Post #14 » by **NBAWestFan** » Mon Mar 27, 2023 5:58 pm

Time to Cash in Lebron this Summer.

Package him for picks and expiring contracts.

Team is better Defensively, Quicker and has better ball movement without him

Kyrie for Lebron,
BI for Lebron
Kawahi for Lebron Doubt that would happen

Get younger and more athletic.

Post #15 » by **zimpy27** » Tue Mar 28, 2023 9:08 am

Use the FRP to select a rookie

SlimShady83 · Post #16 » by **SlimShady83** » Wed Mar 29, 2023 4:36 am

NBAWestFan wrote:Time to Cash in Lebron this Summer.

Package him for picks and expiring contracts.

You won me over here

Team is better Defensively, Quicker and has better ball movement without him

You also won me over here ...

Kyrie for Lebron,

You lost me here

BI for Lebron
I would consider that

Kawahi for Lebron Doubt that would happen

LOL you gotta be smoking some good stuff now lol

Get younger and more athletic.

No way I want Kyrie outside of Bron, no way In hell

stan francisco · Post #17 » by **stan francisco** » Wed Mar 29, 2023 6:52 am

LAKESHOW wrote:Only 1 guy out there i see. Fred Van vleet. And even then he is a Long Shot

Agreed.

I keep getting this gut feeling that Lillard wants to be our PG next season. Something will have to shake down as James is getting older.

D Lo will simply not ever be in any of my long term plans because of his lack of defense. I’d rather we draft a new PG than re-signing him.

loveshaq786 · Post #18 » by **loveshaq786** » Wed Mar 29, 2023 1:15 pm

SlimShady83 wrote:
NBAWestFan wrote:Time to Cash in Lebron this Summer.

Package him for picks and expiring contracts.

You won me over here

Team is better Defensively, Quicker and has better ball movement without him

You also won me over here ...

Kyrie for Lebron,

You lost me here

BI for Lebron
I would consider that

Kawahi for Lebron Doubt that would happen

LOL you gotta be smoking some good stuff now lol

Get younger and more athletic.

No way I want Kyrie outside of Bron, no way In hell

we can get a lot for LeBron and the off season. The best players I can think of that are attainable, are Damian Lillard or Donovan Mitchell. we could also get KD

LeBron for ... Mitchell and Allen (ticket sales in Ohio will go nuts)

AD and Beasley for DeRozan and LaVine (they'll need a center and vuc won't be worth it)