The inevitable Kwame sucks thread

[TommyTheCat]

seriously, it's not the lakers crowd that's going to cause kwame to lose confidence....................it's the fact that he's 25yo and a 7 year nba veteran who hasn't panned out whatsoever. he never lived up to the #1 pick status and has had a hard time becoming the capable role player the lakers were hoping for. in the meantime, he's watching a 20yo kid doing what everone expected him to do. that's the confidence killer.

i am glad that his teammates are backing him but find it disgusting that kobe would ever insinuate that lakers fans should stay home after his antics this offseason.

[snaquille oatmeal]

The Kwame defenders can come up with all the excuses they want and say its unfair how we judge Kwame, but the bottomline is Kwame brought this on himself.
When you negotiate a $9 million contract and are the third highest player on a team, you have a level of expectation you must meet.

There's a lot of pressure that comes with the money.

In fact, the pressure, coverage, and scrutiny are part of the reason the money's so big in pro sports.

So if you don't want that level of criticism and pressure, then don't take the big contract.

The same goes for Odom, when you're the second or third highest paid player on one of the most famous franchises in the world, you have a higher level of scrutiny.

A-Rod and Derek Jeter are a good example of this.

A-Rod's contract has made him the most scrutinized player in baseball.

No matter what he does, if he makes mistakes or dogs it at all he gets railed by Yankee fans.

Jeter, on the other hand, plays his guts out, performs in the clutch, and Yankee fans worship him.

I think you and perhaps others are not seeing the argument being made by the Kwame defenders. first of all I have not yet read a single post that defends Kwame, every body agrees that he sucks. am I wrong on this?
second, I think the arguments is "did the booing help or hurt the team in the game?". I honestly think that it did change the game for the worst for us, but that is not to say that I was not booing at my TV. in fact it felt so good to let out my Kwame frustrations. looking back however, you can't say the booing didn't affect the rest of the Lakers and that is at the very least as much part as to why we lost the game as Kwames suckiness was to blame.

[Cboywhitey]

Thank you snaquille! That is exactly what I am trying to say.

I also am not saying that booing is what made kwame miss shots or lose confidence. I know he lacks it. The point is just like what you said...did the booing hurt the team and effect the game in a negative way. 100 percent I believe it did.

[RJM]

IT is on crack...he turned down a Ron Artest/Mike Bibby/Vince Carter deal.

[semi-sentient]

He said he was going to start Kwame when Kwame returned healthy when Bynum was tearing it up and now look at us. Look how bad we suck without Bynum. It's to bad Phil had to learn this way but at least that is something positive coming out from it.

I think Phil was bluffing or trying to raise Kwame's trade value. It just doesn't make any sense to start Kwame over Bynum with the way Bynum's been tearing it up.

[Danny Darko]

Deep thoughts by Corvus Handy:

kwame is the #1 pick from a draft: not his fault blame a guy who can shoot but can't coach, gm, or manage worth a penny. Also the era was High Schooler rabid... it was the rage, he had and still has the best physique, not his fault where he was chosen.

Kwame was brought up wrong, abused, and maligned:
Yeah, that's awful for him as a person, for real. But in basketball terms: Darwinism rules. Suck it up or be eaten alive.

Where are Kwame supporters?: I saw a short bus cruising down Maint st. I think they should be back in their parents custody by this afternoon. Or they are the kind of hopeless optimist that is heavy on the hopeless part.

Tacos vs. Beer: I can eat dirt, but I can't get drunk off of it. Beer.

Lakers fans in this topic: Black... White... not much gray.

Booing effecting/affecting the the rest of the team: doesn't matter. What matters is the bulk of the games left. Ask yourself will the boo's be a positive or negative thing in the long run? It could be either, but it was a strong sentiment and they tend to have strong results. I hope it's positive, and I will lead the social beat down of the Philly trend if it continues, but I'm not apposed to it as long as some positives come out of it.

Cock-eyed: sounds like a horrible medical condition caused by sexy beasts and bumpy drives in cars.

Those have been deep thoughts by Corvus Handy

[J Rob]

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I think you and perhaps others are not seeing the argument being made by the Kwame defenders. first of all I have not yet read a single post that defends Kwame, every body agrees that he sucks. am I wrong on this?
second, I think the arguments is "did the booing help or hurt the team in the game?". I honestly think that it did change the game for the worst for us, but that is not to say that I was not booing at my TV. in fact it felt so good to let out my Kwame frustrations. looking back however, you can't say the booing didn't affect the rest of the Lakers and that is at the very least as much part as to why we lost the game as Kwames suckiness was to blame.

I agree that everybody's pretty much under the consensus that Kwame sucks so "Kwame Defenders" was a poor choice of words.

I'm referring more to the excuses about him getting his timing back and how we should protect his fragile mind.

I'll be the first to admit that like everybody here, frustration is impacting most of the stuff I'm saying, but the fact is Kwame is a man.

In fact, he's a 25 year old man making 9 million a year with pretty meager expectations placed on him.

He's overweight (to the point where he's missing dunks) and he hasn't worked to improve his game: its his fault where he's at.

The booing didn't help, but when the booing got bad the game was already out of hand.

And to be honest, I liked seeing L.A. fans showing some passion about something.

Hopefully that sent a message to the rest of the players:
We're sick of seeing Kobe having to carry you guys. Step it up cause we've given you guys a free pass for the last three years and we're ready to compete.

[semi-sentient]

Semi i understand your reasoning but you have to admit Kwame is just not getting it done. He should never wear p&g at the first place. I hope we make some trade.

I didn't say that he was getting it done, I'm simply pointing out that he's not the only one and that, as others have mentioned, the constant booing was uncalled for.

Regarding a trade for Kwame... I'm sure GM's are lining up outside the Lakers FO after seeing the Suns game and listening to him get booed. No doubt that his trade value sky-rocketed after immediately the game.

[DEEP3CL]

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[DEEP3CL]

In the mortal words of Kobe, "Ship his ass out".

[El Hardee]

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I didn't say that he was getting it done, I'm simply pointing out that he's not the only one and that, as others have mentioned, the constant booing was uncalled for.

Regarding a trade for Kwame... I'm sure GM's are lining up outside the Lakers FO after seeing the Suns game and listening to him get booed. No doubt that his trade value sky-rocketed after immediately the game.

Oh brother, so now the Laker fans, who payed good money to see a worthless pile of crap at center, are to blame for lowering his trade value. KWAME SUX,KWAME SUX,BOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! I hope I didnt make any of the emo's on this board cry.

[J Rob]

Lol, I enjoyed your thoughts, Corvus.

[snaquille oatmeal]

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Oh brother, so now the Laker fans, who payed good money to see a worthless pile of crap at center, are to blame for lowering his trade value. KWAME SUX,KWAME SUX,BOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! I hope I didnt make any of the emo's on this board cry.

I don't consider myself an EMO, but just for s***s and giggles do you think the home crowd has any effect on the home team what so ever? the home crowd can energize or deflate a team. what do you think the booing did for the team as a whole last night? and yes I agree Kwame sucks!

[TommyTheCat]

ouch, that's gotta hurt. from 242 of his nba peers

In a Sports Illustrated poll of 242 NBA players, Kwame Brown received the most votes for the question, "Which player gets the least out of the most talent?" Brown received 17% of the votes, followed by Clippers forward Tim Thomas (10%), New York center Eddy Curry (7%), New Jersey guard-forward Vince Carter (6%) and Memphis center Darko Milicic (5%).

http://www.latimes.com/sports/basketbal ... &cset=true


pulled from an article posted by SashAlex on the news hub but fits this thread's topic

[semi-sentient]

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I don't consider myself an EMO, but just for s***s and giggles do you think the home crowd has any effect on the home team what so ever? the home crowd can energize or deflate a team. what do you think the booing did for the team as a whole last night? and yes I agree Kwame sucks!

I wouldn't have even bothered responding to such an idiotic post.

[El Hardee]

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I don't consider myself an EMO, but just for s***s and giggles do you think the home crowd has any effect on the home team what so ever? the home crowd can energize or deflate a team. what do you think the booing did for the team as a whole last night? and yes I agree Kwame sucks!

I think the players went to Kwame, told him dont worry about it and just prove the fans wrong next time out. We are dealing with grown men, I would hope they all didnt have a group hug and cry.

[snaquille oatmeal]

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I think the players went to Kwame, told him dont worry about it and just prove the fans wrong next time out. We are dealing with grown men, I would hope they all didnt have a group hug and cry.

ok obviously you are not seeing the effect it had on the game so here it is.

when the booing started the rest of the Lakers including Phil decided that instead of sticking to the flow of the game (in Phils case leaving Kwame in the game) and have the capable players take shots they decided that Kwame should prove himself so they deffered the ball to him. the outcome was that in at least seven possessions in a span of 5 minutes the players gave the ball to Kwame when what they should have done was play the game. those possessions that our players passed on could have helped greatly in deciding the outcome of the game.

again that is not to say that if I had been there I would not had booed, I would have, but in retrospect it did us more harm than good in that particular game.

[El Hardee]

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ok obviously you are not seeing the effect it had on the game so here it is.

when the booing started the rest of the Lakers including Phil decided that instead of sticking to the flow of the game (in Phils case leaving Kwame in the game) and have the capable players take shots they decided that Kwame should prove himself so they deffered the ball to him. the outcome was that in at least seven possessions in a span of 5 minutes the players gave the ball to Kwame when what they should have done was play the game. those possessions that our players passed on could have helped greatly in deciding the outcome of the game.

again that is not to say that if I had been there I would not had booed, I would have, but in retrospect it did us more harm than good in that particular game.

Tru that, it did cause us to change the gameplan, but the way Kwame started I think the fans just couldnt take it. That lay-up he blew at the start was enough. I think it did some what take its toll on the team, but it didnt change the outcome any. Without Bynum the Suns are the better team.

[Manexx]

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I didn't say that he was getting it done, I'm simply pointing out that he's not the only one and that, as others have mentioned, the constant booing was uncalled for.

Regarding a trade for Kwame... I'm sure GM's are lining up outside the Lakers FO after seeing the Suns game and listening to him get booed. No doubt that his trade value sky-rocketed after immediately the game.

I know it is not only Kwame's fault that we lost the game but him not helping is the biggest factor. He was so scared even to rebound. I feel for him . About the trade value, he doesn't have one. He has huge expiring contract whic many teams are intersted in. Nobody trade for Kwame to play him. He is SCRUB.

[snaquille oatmeal]

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Tru that, it did cause us to change the gameplan, but the way Kwame started I think the fans just couldnt take it. That lay-up he blew at the start was enough. I think it did some what take its toll on the team, but it didnt change the outcome any. Without Bynum the Suns are the better team.

so you are saying that if Phil would have taking him out the players on the floor wouldn't have scored at least 8 points in that 5 minute span anyway?