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Game 2: Lakers @ Grizzlies, TONIGHT: 6:30 CST, 4:30 PST

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Re: Game 2: Lakers @ Grizzlies, TONIGHT: 6:30 CST, 4:30 PST 

Post#61 » by Kilroy » Thu Apr 20, 2023 4:17 pm

That_Casual wrote:
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tamaraw08 wrote:Did James played a perfect game? Absolutely not!
but to say that Brooks kicked his ass is just plain crazy BS! Dillon needed 14 shots to score 12 points zero offensive rebs, a grand total of 1 rebound while Lebron grabbed 12!
Brooks had 3 assists to 2 turnovers while James had
3 assists to just 1 turnover, would have had more assists if his teammates like D’Lo AD etc made more shots…and
BTW the 38 year old James scored 28 points on 23 shots.
Kilroy didn’t want to blame D’Lo because he said he didn’t expect much from him and yet I guess he was ok for AD to score 13 points, 14 points BELOW his playoff average. :banghead:
Who was he guarding Tilman or JJJ? I guess it doesn’t matter both of them outscored AD anyway.
Now is just AD’s fault that the Lakers lost? Of course not, pretty much everybody except Rui showed up but to say Brooks kicked James butt is just bat **** crazy


Should James and Brooks be held to the same standard... Brooks was never going to outscore LeBron... He was never going to out assist LeBron...
But measuring them each against their own measuring sticks, and factoring in how much Brooks was able to disrupt LeBron, Brooks won the battle...


Bron went for 28 points. How on earth did he win the battle?

Because they won the game? That’s the only argument here for that. Because Bron went for 28 and 12 and turned the ball over once. Doesn’t sound like he was too disrupted to me.

Literally if AD and D’Lo play like competent NBA level players and not a couple clowns at the Y then we win. Literally all they had to do was go for 30… BETWEEN THEM!! How on earth is it Bron’s fault they couldn’t do that? They average 44 between and they end up going for 18.

Brooks bothering Bron had nothing to do with the loss. Literally all he needed was D’Lo to go for 10 and AD to go for 20 and we’d be sat here 2-0.


Because Brooks took him off his game, made him less aggressive and focus more on his own scoring rather than finding ways, not just to get AD the ball, but get him the ball in effective scoring situations...

AD is many things... Soft, fragile, prone to lack of intensity... And many of those were on display last game...
But he's also the main reason we're in the playoffs... LeBron without AD had us below 500... We need AD to be elite if we have any chance... And it's LeBron's job to find ways to do that, rather than drawing up plays for himself out of timeouts... Not that it wasn't a great play, it just wasn't a play that helped us win that particular game.

I agree AD has to be our best player and he wasn't last game, but it wasn't all his fault and given what he was given by the team, he played pretty well.. LeBron could have gone for 50 but if AD didn't have the defensive game he did, we'd have lost by 20, not 10...

And forget individual matchups, AD was a big reason Vandi for example, looked good last night... AD changes everything on D, even if his individual stats or particular matchups don't show it.
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Re: Game 2: Lakers @ Grizzlies, TONIGHT: 6:30 CST, 4:30 PST 

Post#62 » by That_Casual » Thu Apr 20, 2023 4:19 pm

Kilroy wrote:
That_Casual wrote:
Kilroy wrote:
Should James and Brooks be held to the same standard... Brooks was never going to outscore LeBron... He was never going to out assist LeBron...
But measuring them each against their own measuring sticks, and factoring in how much Brooks was able to disrupt LeBron, Brooks won the battle...


Bron went for 28 points. How on earth did he win the battle?

Because they won the game? That’s the only argument here for that. Because Bron went for 28 and 12 and turned the ball over once. Doesn’t sound like he was too disrupted to me.

Literally if AD and D’Lo play like competent NBA level players and not a couple clowns at the Y then we win. Literally all they had to do was go for 30… BETWEEN THEM!! How on earth is it Bron’s fault they couldn’t do that? They average 44 between and they end up going for 18.

Brooks bothering Bron had nothing to do with the loss. Literally all he needed was D’Lo to go for 10 and AD to go for 20 and we’d be sat here 2-0.


Because Brooks took him off his game, made him less aggressive and focus more on his own scoring rather than finding ways, not just to get AD the ball, but get him the ball in effective scoring situations...

AD is many things... Soft, fragile, prone to lack of intensity... And many of those were on display last game...
But he's also the main reason we're in the playoffs... LeBron without AD had us below 500... We need AD to be elite if we have any chance... And it's LeBron's job to find ways to do that, rather than drawing up plays for himself out of timeouts... Not that it wasn't a great play, it just wasn't a play that helped us win that particular game.

I agree AD has to be our best player and he wasn't last game, but it wasn't all his fault and given what he was given by the team, he played pretty well.. LeBron could have gone for 50 but if AD didn't have the defensive game he did, we'd have lost by 20, not 10...

And forget individual matchups, AD was a big reason Vandi for example, looked good last night... AD changes everything on D, even if his individual stats or particular matchups don't show it.



28 points. 12 rebounds. 3 assists. 1 turnover.

He didn’t take him off his game in the damn slightest. If AD and D’Lo didn’t go a combined 6/25 from the field he’d have got 6 or 7 assists.

I’m sick to death of this damn bum AD serving up trash and the blame getting put at Bron’s feet because he doesn’t get him a damn wide open dunk at the basket every shot. Which he did actually by the way on multiple occasions last night. And AD got blocked by a 6’5 guard at the rim.
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Re: Game 2: Lakers @ Grizzlies, TONIGHT: 6:30 CST, 4:30 PST 

Post#63 » by TylersLakers » Thu Apr 20, 2023 5:25 pm

What a ridiculous effort across the board. The Lakers have done this many times, including the play-in game. Where they spend as little amount of effort that’s needed to win a game.

They felt like they could come into the game on auto-pilot and in the second half at some point turn it up and get an 8-12 point win.

It wasn’t until they were down 20 in the 3rd quarter until they finally said “OK, let’s try to win the game.”

The leadership (AD, LeBron, Ham) deserves all the blame. I’m not going to blame D’Angelo Russell or Dennis Schroder or Troy Brown. Those guys take their cues from the leaders. And when your leaders don’t give a crap, why should you?

We got a real series on our hands now.
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Re: Game 2: Lakers @ Grizzlies, TONIGHT: 6:30 CST, 4:30 PST 

Post#64 » by bb22 » Thu Apr 20, 2023 5:29 pm

Think we all saw this coming, deep down. We know inconsistencies haunt this team. They still took care of business. Let’s just hope game 1 wasn’t one of those fluke wins. An average game by AD would have turned this into a win.
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Post#65 » by crazy8ights » Thu Apr 20, 2023 5:35 pm

Just needed a sub par game from AD not a horrible one and might have won this. Only thing I liked was Rui making Bane eat crow. Game 3 is do or die see what this team is made of once and for all :banghead:
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Re: Game 2: Lakers @ Grizzlies, TONIGHT: 6:30 CST, 4:30 PST 

Post#66 » by Ball so hard » Fri Apr 21, 2023 1:38 am

I’m actually like to see Dlo come off the bench for game 3. Currently he’s not contributing anything.
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Re: Game 2: Lakers @ Grizzlies, TONIGHT: 6:30 CST, 4:30 PST 

Post#67 » by tamaraw08 » Fri Apr 21, 2023 2:40 am

That_Casual wrote:
Kilroy wrote:
That_Casual wrote:
Bron went for 28 points. How on earth did he win the battle?

Because they won the game? That’s the only argument here for that. Because Bron went for 28 and 12 and turned the ball over once. Doesn’t sound like he was too disrupted to me.

Literally if AD and D’Lo play like competent NBA level players and not a couple clowns at the Y then we win. Literally all they had to do was go for 30… BETWEEN THEM!! How on earth is it Bron’s fault they couldn’t do that? They average 44 between and they end up going for 18.

Brooks bothering Bron had nothing to do with the loss. Literally all he needed was D’Lo to go for 10 and AD to go for 20 and we’d be sat here 2-0.


Because Brooks took him off his game, made him less aggressive and focus more on his own scoring rather than finding ways, not just to get AD the ball, but get him the ball in effective scoring situations...

AD is many things... Soft, fragile, prone to lack of intensity... And many of those were on display last game...
But he's also the main reason we're in the playoffs... LeBron without AD had us below 500... We need AD to be elite if we have any chance... And it's LeBron's job to find ways to do that, rather than drawing up plays for himself out of timeouts... Not that it wasn't a great play, it just wasn't a play that helped us win that particular game.

I agree AD has to be our best player and he wasn't last game, but it wasn't all his fault and given what he was given by the team, he played pretty well.. LeBron could have gone for 50 but if AD didn't have the defensive game he did, we'd have lost by 20, not 10...

And forget individual matchups, AD was a big reason Vandi for example, looked good last night... AD changes everything on D, even if his individual stats or particular matchups don't show it.



28 points. 12 rebounds. 3 assists. 1 turnover.

He didn’t take him off his game in the damn slightest. If AD and D’Lo didn’t go a combined 6/25 from the field he’d have got 6 or 7 assists.

I’m sick to death of this damn bum AD serving up trash and the blame getting put at Bron’s feet because he doesn’t get him a damn wide open dunk at the basket every shot. Which he did actually by the way on multiple occasions last night. And AD got blocked by a 6’5 guard at the rim.

Exactly! The irony was that outrageous comment about Brooks kicking Lebron’s ass when every statistic disproved it in the meantime AD scores 14 points less than his playoff average gets hailed for his 5 blocks smh.
If the stats were reversed, Lebron had 13 points and 5 blocks, his haters here would have crucified him.
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Re: Game 2: Lakers @ Grizzlies, TONIGHT: 6:30 CST, 4:30 PST 

Post#68 » by tamaraw08 » Fri Apr 21, 2023 3:15 am

crazy8ights wrote:Just needed a sub par game from AD not a horrible one and might have won this. Only thing I liked was Rui making Bane eat crow. Game 3 is do or die see what this team is made of once and for all :banghead:

Bbbbbbutt, but,..but AD was freaking awesome on defense, blocking 5 shots and totally shut down Tilman and Jackson. Yes he missed 10 of his 14 shots but it was Lebron’s fault for throwing off his rhythm.
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Re: Game 2: Lakers @ Grizzlies, TONIGHT: 6:30 CST, 4:30 PST 

Post#69 » by Kilroy » Fri Apr 21, 2023 3:36 am

tamaraw08 wrote:
That_Casual wrote:
Kilroy wrote:
Because Brooks took him off his game, made him less aggressive and focus more on his own scoring rather than finding ways, not just to get AD the ball, but get him the ball in effective scoring situations...

AD is many things... Soft, fragile, prone to lack of intensity... And many of those were on display last game...
But he's also the main reason we're in the playoffs... LeBron without AD had us below 500... We need AD to be elite if we have any chance... And it's LeBron's job to find ways to do that, rather than drawing up plays for himself out of timeouts... Not that it wasn't a great play, it just wasn't a play that helped us win that particular game.

I agree AD has to be our best player and he wasn't last game, but it wasn't all his fault and given what he was given by the team, he played pretty well.. LeBron could have gone for 50 but if AD didn't have the defensive game he did, we'd have lost by 20, not 10...

And forget individual matchups, AD was a big reason Vandi for example, looked good last night... AD changes everything on D, even if his individual stats or particular matchups don't show it.



28 points. 12 rebounds. 3 assists. 1 turnover.

He didn’t take him off his game in the damn slightest. If AD and D’Lo didn’t go a combined 6/25 from the field he’d have got 6 or 7 assists.

I’m sick to death of this damn bum AD serving up trash and the blame getting put at Bron’s feet because he doesn’t get him a damn wide open dunk at the basket every shot. Which he did actually by the way on multiple occasions last night. And AD got blocked by a 6’5 guard at the rim.

Exactly! The irony was that outrageous comment about Brooks kicking Lebron’s ass when every statistic disproved it in the meantime AD scores 14 points less than his playoff average gets hailed for his 5 blocks smh.
If the stats were reversed, Lebron had 13 points and 5 blocks, his haters here would have crucified him.


There's a good chance, if the stats were reversed, we would have won the game... So no... No one would be crucified LeBron...

The lakers are 15-5 when AD scores 30 or more, and 12-13 when LeBron scores 30 or more... Soooo... Yeah.
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Re: Game 2: Lakers @ Grizzlies, TONIGHT: 6:30 CST, 4:30 PST 

Post#70 » by That_Casual » Fri Apr 21, 2023 8:24 am

Kilroy wrote:
tamaraw08 wrote:
That_Casual wrote:

28 points. 12 rebounds. 3 assists. 1 turnover.

He didn’t take him off his game in the damn slightest. If AD and D’Lo didn’t go a combined 6/25 from the field he’d have got 6 or 7 assists.

I’m sick to death of this damn bum AD serving up trash and the blame getting put at Bron’s feet because he doesn’t get him a damn wide open dunk at the basket every shot. Which he did actually by the way on multiple occasions last night. And AD got blocked by a 6’5 guard at the rim.

Exactly! The irony was that outrageous comment about Brooks kicking Lebron’s ass when every statistic disproved it in the meantime AD scores 14 points less than his playoff average gets hailed for his 5 blocks smh.
If the stats were reversed, Lebron had 13 points and 5 blocks, his haters here would have crucified him.


There's a good chance, if the stats were reversed, we would have won the game... So no... No one would be crucified LeBron...

The lakers are 15-5 when AD scores 30 or more, and 12-13 when LeBron scores 30 or more... Soooo... Yeah.



Yeah… because LeBron is able to come along with AD when he goes off. Whereas Bron does it because AD is being a soft bum so if he doesn’t do it it’s a guaranteed loss.
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Re: Game 2: Lakers @ Grizzlies, TONIGHT: 6:30 CST, 4:30 PST 

Post#71 » by tamaraw08 » Fri Apr 21, 2023 3:14 pm

That_Casual wrote:
Kilroy wrote:
tamaraw08 wrote:Exactly! The irony was that outrageous comment about Brooks kicking Lebron’s ass when every statistic disproved it in the meantime AD scores 14 points less than his playoff average gets hailed for his 5 blocks smh.
If the stats were reversed, Lebron had 13 points and 5 blocks, his haters here would have crucified him.


There's a good chance, if the stats were reversed, we would have won the game... So no... No one would be crucified LeBron...

The lakers are 15-5 when AD scores 30 or more, and 12-13 when LeBron scores 30 or more... Soooo... Yeah.



Yeah… because LeBron is able to come along with AD when he goes off. Whereas Bron does it because AD is being a soft bum so if he doesn’t do it it’s a guaranteed loss.


Most of those games that AD dropped 30 were against bad teams like Detroit, Washington etc etc. Sure there were games vs the Bucks when he scored heavily too but I just find this narrative that the Lakers lose whenever Lebron gets very aggressive with his shots preposterous. When the Lakers won it all, AD was averaging his usual 17 attempts while James took 18. Was there a time when James was on a tear trying to break that scoring title resulting to AD's drop in attempts? YES!! But that was like 3 months ago.
There are also games when AD wasn't very efficient even when James was not playing games vs NY, Dallas, Raptors etc.
I feel AD goes into Cruise control on offense whenever he sees James playing and partly I think he is getting exhausted and/or he's feeling some pain.
Last game he took 14 shots, it's not like he took 7 for crying out loud. :banghead:

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