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Re: Okongwu Offers? 

Post#21 » by HadAnEffectHere » Wed May 15, 2024 12:56 am

Colbinii wrote:I don't get why people are so infatuated with non-high impact big men. Poeltl in recent years and now WCJ, Okongwu, M Williams, ect. Like these centers are, at their best, Top 20-ish caliber Centers with limited upside. No smart team is going to look at these players and give high-value assets for them because the opportunity cost is so high.

Players like Tillman, Gafford, Claxton, RWIII, Robinson, Reid, Hartenstein, Zubac, Harrell, Looney, Nance Jr and Powell are the types of prospects available in just about every draft who you can spend a 2nd on [or extremely late 1st] and eventually hit on at a decent clip.

Another way of looking at it [and supporting my point], is looking at all the lottery big men [Projected Center types] drafted in the last 6-7 years.

Ayton, Bagley, JJJ, Bamba, WCJ, Hayes, Hayes, Wiseman, Okongwu, Smith, Mobley, Chet, Paolo, Duren

I would much prefer to use my [late] lottery pick on a guard/wing prospect and then use a later pick on a Center prospect if I am OKC. If I feel like I need to address the center position immediately, then I would just do so either in FA or trade for a Center who can fill minutes for a cost far below a lottery pick.

The opportunity cost of sinking a mid-1st or higher for a low-ceiling center like Okongwu is bad asset management.


Wow, I wonder if there's a big man you left out from that list.
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Post#22 » by Residual-Heat » Wed May 15, 2024 1:01 am

I like Okongwu's fit in Memphis, and if Im the Grizzlies I give up the 9th pick for him without hesitation. Maybe a small "overpay" but he still has some untapped potential and its time for the Grizzlies to get the best center they can. I would then still look to add another center in FA.

Not sure the Hawks are in a rush to trade him even if they draft Sarr though, I would think they move Capela first.
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Post#23 » by SNPA » Wed May 15, 2024 2:27 am

Kings at 13 would/should be interested.
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Post#24 » by K_chile22 » Wed May 15, 2024 3:20 am

louc1970 wrote:Wonder if Houston would send Eason for Okwongu?
Nope. Bench wing on a rookie scale for backup center on a $16M a year deal is not a deal most teams would make
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Post#25 » by Xman » Wed May 15, 2024 3:25 am

Houston is not sending Eason for Ok.

Houston gets 2026 Memphis first and Ok.
Memphis gets 3 - Clingan. And Tate.
Atlanta gets 9 and filler.

Might need a little more but seems close.
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Post#26 » by Xman » Wed May 15, 2024 3:27 am

On second thought, no. 9 is too much.
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Post#27 » by lpbman » Wed May 15, 2024 3:44 am

louc1970 wrote:Wonder if Houston would send Eason for Okwongu?


I don't speak for the Rockets obv.... but I'd hit the freakin roof if they gave up on Eason for anything less than a star. If you squint hard enough, he looks like Dennis Rodman out there.
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Post#28 » by Xman » Wed May 15, 2024 3:58 am

But he can score. Well, Rodman could score also - if it was a dunk. Eason can actually shoot.
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Post#29 » by YayBasketball » Wed May 15, 2024 5:58 am

Pelicans will be interested. Rumor has it they were targeting Okongwu is discussions with Hawks at the deadline, but then Hawks started expanding it to include Murray and Herb Jones. I'm sure there will be lots of discussion between them in the offseason.
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Post#30 » by Astaluego » Wed May 15, 2024 9:15 am

A draft specialist on European prospects that we have here in Spain (really good, he also works for the ACB) speaking about Sarr, said that in his opinion, he is more of a 4 in the JJJ mold and that he will probably develop a decent 3,... .in that scenario, I would not move OO, in fact it seems like a very complementary and versatile front court... with JJohnson at 3 that seems very promising...
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Post#31 » by tbhawksfan1 » Wed May 15, 2024 10:05 am

Astaluego wrote:A draft specialist on European prospects that we have here in Spain (really good, he also works for the ACB) speaking about Sarr, said that in his opinion, he is more of a 4 in the JJJ mold and that he will probably develop a decent 3,... .in that scenario, I would not move OO, in fact it seems like a very complementary and versatile front court... with JJohnson at 3 that seems very promising...



That's exactly how this Hawk's fan see it
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Post#32 » by Colbinii » Wed May 15, 2024 12:11 pm

Godaddycurse wrote:
Colbinii wrote:
Godaddycurse wrote:
We've gone years without a real C so even a top 20 C feels like a godsend :nod:

Id argue poeltl had good impact last year though (on-off +9)


He had a good On/Off because the Raptors tanked the 2nd half of the season and Poeltl didn't play a minute.

The Raptors went 2-19 after Poeltl stopped playing, and the roster they rolled out was downright pitiful because the goal was to keep their pick.

Using On-Off here is completely meaningless.

The irony here is the Raptors needed to tank BECAUSE they traded for Poeltl.


true.
he still had a positive on-off post siakam trade and pre season ending injury/before we went full tank mode. but yea, small sample size.


Do you think it is a smart move to trade a lottery pick for Poeltl?
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Post#33 » by Colbinii » Wed May 15, 2024 12:12 pm

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Colbinii wrote:I don't get why people are so infatuated with non-high impact big men. Poeltl in recent years and now WCJ, Okongwu, M Williams, ect. Like these centers are, at their best, Top 20-ish caliber Centers with limited upside. No smart team is going to look at these players and give high-value assets for them because the opportunity cost is so high.

Players like Tillman, Gafford, Claxton, RWIII, Robinson, Reid, Hartenstein, Zubac, Harrell, Looney, Nance Jr and Powell are the types of prospects available in just about every draft who you can spend a 2nd on [or extremely late 1st] and eventually hit on at a decent clip.

Another way of looking at it [and supporting my point], is looking at all the lottery big men [Projected Center types] drafted in the last 6-7 years.

Ayton, Bagley, JJJ, Bamba, WCJ, Hayes, Hayes, Wiseman, Okongwu, Smith, Mobley, Chet, Paolo, Duren

I would much prefer to use my [late] lottery pick on a guard/wing prospect and then use a later pick on a Center prospect if I am OKC. If I feel like I need to address the center position immediately, then I would just do so either in FA or trade for a Center who can fill minutes for a cost far below a lottery pick.

The opportunity cost of sinking a mid-1st or higher for a low-ceiling center like Okongwu is bad asset management.


Wow, I wonder if there's a big man you left out from that list.


Possibly. I think I did 2017-2022 drafts.
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Post#34 » by Godaddycurse » Wed May 15, 2024 12:27 pm

Colbinii wrote:
Godaddycurse wrote:
Colbinii wrote:
He had a good On/Off because the Raptors tanked the 2nd half of the season and Poeltl didn't play a minute.

The Raptors went 2-19 after Poeltl stopped playing, and the roster they rolled out was downright pitiful because the goal was to keep their pick.

Using On-Off here is completely meaningless.

The irony here is the Raptors needed to tank BECAUSE they traded for Poeltl.


true.
he still had a positive on-off post siakam trade and pre season ending injury/before we went full tank mode. but yea, small sample size.


Do you think it is a smart move to trade a lottery pick for Poeltl?


i dont think it would have been a lottery pick if FVV stayed, alas. Poeltl was +14 post trade last year with FVV on the team
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Post#35 » by BK_2020 » Wed May 15, 2024 12:46 pm

raleigh wrote:
BK_2020 wrote:doesn't really do anything well


Why do so many RealGMers default to extremes? This site is supposed to house some of the more "mature" NBA fans, but it can often be hard to tell.

Despite the lack of height, Okongwu can function as a solid rim defender. He moves well in the short roll, has decent touch for a big, and is a solid offensive rebounder.

Literally everything you said is a nicer way to say what I said. You don't trade a lottery pick for a guy who's at best solid at a few things but not a lot of things.
If my team drafted such a player with a top 5 pick, and that player is still a backup on a lottery team at age 23, well ok, the draft is a crapshoot. Sometimes you lose the bet. I will be disappointed but understand it.
If my team traded a lottery pick for such a player, though, I would be livid.
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Post#36 » by louc1970 » Wed May 15, 2024 4:56 pm

lpbman wrote:
louc1970 wrote:Wonder if Houston would send Eason for Okwongu?


I don't speak for the Rockets obv.... but I'd hit the freakin roof if they gave up on Eason for anything less than a star. If you squint hard enough, he looks like Dennis Rodman out there.

Eason is still in potential mode.
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Post#37 » by Asif16 » Wed May 15, 2024 5:18 pm

I can see the raptors being interested but I don't know a realistic trade
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Post#38 » by K_chile22 » Wed May 15, 2024 6:49 pm

louc1970 wrote:
lpbman wrote:
louc1970 wrote:Wonder if Houston would send Eason for Okwongu?


I don't speak for the Rockets obv.... but I'd hit the freakin roof if they gave up on Eason for anything less than a star. If you squint hard enough, he looks like Dennis Rodman out there.

Eason is still in potential mode.
And what is Okongwu in lol
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Post#39 » by JRoy » Wed May 15, 2024 7:03 pm

Colbinii wrote:
Godaddycurse wrote:
Colbinii wrote:
He had a good On/Off because the Raptors tanked the 2nd half of the season and Poeltl didn't play a minute.

The Raptors went 2-19 after Poeltl stopped playing, and the roster they rolled out was downright pitiful because the goal was to keep their pick.

Using On-Off here is completely meaningless.

The irony here is the Raptors needed to tank BECAUSE they traded for Poeltl.


true.
he still had a positive on-off post siakam trade and pre season ending injury/before we went full tank mode. but yea, small sample size.


Do you think it is a smart move to trade a lottery pick for Poeltl?


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Post#40 » by atlantabbq99 » Wed May 15, 2024 10:40 pm

Don't need to trade Okongwu any more with Sarr

With Sarr's shooting, he can play PF while Kong can stay at center

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