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NYG wrote:What about Trae for KAT if the T'Wolves don't beat Denver?
KAT/Sarr/Johnson/Bogdan/Murray
Trade Capela/Hunter for bench help
JazzMatt13 wrote:just because I think aliens probably have to do with JFK, doesn't mean my theory that Jazz will never get Wiggins, isn't true.
JazzMatt13 wrote:just because I think aliens probably have to do with JFK, doesn't mean my theory that Jazz will never get Wiggins, isn't true.
babyjax13 wrote:Trade 2:
UTA trades: John Collins, 2024 OKC 1st (29)
CHA trades: Cody Martin, Nick Richards
Charlotte gets a first and a viable 4/5 who is overpaid (hence the pick). Utah takes back some expiring salary to help Charlotte manage payroll. This would need to happen after the draft (technically). Martin and Richards might make the rotation, they might not.
HornetJail wrote:babyjax13 wrote:Trade 2:
UTA trades: John Collins, 2024 OKC 1st (29)
CHA trades: Cody Martin, Nick Richards
Charlotte gets a first and a viable 4/5 who is overpaid (hence the pick). Utah takes back some expiring salary to help Charlotte manage payroll. This would need to happen after the draft (technically). Martin and Richards might make the rotation, they might not.
ha, on your comment in the Collins/Bridges thread, I just asked if we could have you guys eat some of our 1-year salaries in some combo of Richards/Martin/the $5M owed to Bertans... I'll take that as a yes.
In the no Bridges scenario, I would love to be done with all the trash on our bench and go into the offseason with a rotation of:
Ball/Mann/Miller/Collins/Mark
Micic/NSJ/Thor/Grant/picks 6, 29, 42
JazzMatt13 wrote:just because I think aliens probably have to do with JFK, doesn't mean my theory that Jazz will never get Wiggins, isn't true.
ThunderBolt wrote:I’m going to let some of you in on a little secret I learned on realgm. If you don’t like a thread, not only do you not have to comment but you don’t even have to open it and read it. You’re welcome.
Texas Chuck wrote:I really want to do a Capela/Griffin/#1 for Markannen/Kessler thread with a Murray for Jones/Nance/#21 follow up, but I'll just get crotched kicked by a minimum of two franchises so getting it out of my system here.
But I like a Hawks team that is:
Kessler/OO/Nance
Markannen/Hunter/Nance
Johnson/Hunter
Jones/Bogdan/Bufkin
Trae/vet PG/rookie PG (I like Devin Carter for them)
Nice core all in their primes. Obviously you have to have talked to Lauri and have his buy in on re-signing.
Utah sells high on two sacred cows. Pels get the more dynamic guard they need and it frees up a CJ deal that clears up payroll for a center.
babyjax13 wrote:Trade 3:
SAC trades: Kevin Huerter, Chris Duarte, 2025 POR 2nd
in: Tim Hardaway Jr.
Sacramento swaps Huerter for a Monk replacement & clears up their cap sheet a bit. Perhaps not having Huerter's salary next season also allows them to keep Monk.
babyjax13 wrote:HornetJail wrote:babyjax13 wrote:Trade 2:
UTA trades: John Collins, 2024 OKC 1st (29)
CHA trades: Cody Martin, Nick Richards
Charlotte gets a first and a viable 4/5 who is overpaid (hence the pick). Utah takes back some expiring salary to help Charlotte manage payroll. This would need to happen after the draft (technically). Martin and Richards might make the rotation, they might not.
ha, on your comment in the Collins/Bridges thread, I just asked if we could have you guys eat some of our 1-year salaries in some combo of Richards/Martin/the $5M owed to Bertans... I'll take that as a yes.
In the no Bridges scenario, I would love to be done with all the trash on our bench and go into the offseason with a rotation of:
Ball/Mann/Miller/Collins/Mark
Micic/NSJ/Thor/Grant/picks 6, 29, 42
I don't know that other Jazz fans will agree with me, but my feeling is that Collins is a fine 5th starter or 6th man, but that he is not a great fit for us. Beyond this, we have a ton of picks moving forward and are likely to get more. Using a late first in a bad draft to open other trade possibilities doesn't seem like a bad move to me. There is such a thing as too many young guys and I think three swings in this draft may be too many. I also think it clarifies some things for Charlotte. Collins is a decent fit with Ball and he can start at center if Williams misses games. He is not spectacular and I wouldn't sell him as that, but he is an adult in the room and our team seems to respect him (and he plays hard even if he is not the most effective).
Godaddycurse wrote:I have Jones worth more than Murray especially for a team wtih 2 defensive sieves in Zion and Ingram
ThunderBolt wrote:I’m going to let some of you in on a little secret I learned on realgm. If you don’t like a thread, not only do you not have to comment but you don’t even have to open it and read it. You’re welcome.
Godaddycurse wrote:babyjax13 wrote:Trade 3:
SAC trades: Kevin Huerter, Chris Duarte, 2025 POR 2nd
in: Tim Hardaway Jr.
Sacramento swaps Huerter for a Monk replacement & clears up their cap sheet a bit. Perhaps not having Huerter's salary next season also allows them to keep Monk.
Huerter off the monks doesn't affect how much they can pay Monk this year, which is what matters. Also THJ is not a Monk replacement at all. i dont think Sacramento would consider this unless they need THJ as an expiring filler in a separate trade
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Texas Chuck wrote:Godaddycurse wrote:I have Jones worth more than Murray especially for a team wtih 2 defensive sieves in Zion and Ingram
Eh contracts tend to do the speaking and defensive guards are just never super valuable in trade. Maybe 21 is greedy, IDK. And I love Herb Jones, but I imagine his value isn't higher than Murray's around the league.
But yeah that is part of why I just abandoned the idea even though I like it. I could be way off on value.
Godaddycurse wrote:Texas Chuck wrote:Godaddycurse wrote:I have Jones worth more than Murray especially for a team wtih 2 defensive sieves in Zion and Ingram
Eh contracts tend to do the speaking and defensive guards are just never super valuable in trade. Maybe 21 is greedy, IDK. And I love Herb Jones, but I imagine his value isn't higher than Murray's around the league.
But yeah that is part of why I just abandoned the idea even though I like it. I could be way off on value.
if Jones' 3 pt% keeps up then he's basically the next OG; cost and demand for All Defensive 3/D wings on a bargain contract are crazy high.
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Texas Chuck wrote:Godaddycurse wrote:Texas Chuck wrote:
Eh contracts tend to do the speaking and defensive guards are just never super valuable in trade. Maybe 21 is greedy, IDK. And I love Herb Jones, but I imagine his value isn't higher than Murray's around the league.
But yeah that is part of why I just abandoned the idea even though I like it. I could be way off on value.
if Jones' 3 pt% keeps up then he's basically the next OG; cost and demand for All Defensive 3/D wings on a bargain contract are crazy high.
Cost isn't super high. Even OG who would be top of the market returned a bad contract( I know he put up better numbers in Toronto but at the time he was a bad contract) and a guy who needs to get a huge raise. We've heard absurd asking prices on guys like DFS/Caruso but nobody has paid them.
And I don't think Herb has remotely established himself as a legit 40% guy by any means. Especially since he's a corner specialist.
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Godaddycurse wrote:babyjax13 wrote:Trade 3:
SAC trades: Kevin Huerter, Chris Duarte, 2025 POR 2nd
in: Tim Hardaway Jr.
Sacramento swaps Huerter for a Monk replacement & clears up their cap sheet a bit. Perhaps not having Huerter's salary next season also allows them to keep Monk.
Huerter off the books doesn't affect how much they can pay Monk this year, which is what matters. Also THJ is not a Monk replacement at all. i dont think Sacramento would consider this unless they need THJ as an expiring filler in a separate trade
JazzMatt13 wrote:just because I think aliens probably have to do with JFK, doesn't mean my theory that Jazz will never get Wiggins, isn't true.
Texas Chuck wrote:Godaddycurse wrote:babyjax13 wrote:Trade 3:
SAC trades: Kevin Huerter, Chris Duarte, 2025 POR 2nd
in: Tim Hardaway Jr.
Sacramento swaps Huerter for a Monk replacement & clears up their cap sheet a bit. Perhaps not having Huerter's salary next season also allows them to keep Monk.
Huerter off the monks doesn't affect how much they can pay Monk this year, which is what matters. Also THJ is not a Monk replacement at all. i dont think Sacramento would consider this unless they need THJ as an expiring filler in a separate trade
THJ is nothing but a playable stopgap contract matcher. But I think people don't realize that Monk hasn't actually been a real efficient scorer or a net positive on what's been a good Kings team the past 2 years. I think they can replace Monk with an MLE guard.
That said the Kings shouldn't do that deal. And certainly not if they are paying something to do it.
JazzMatt13 wrote:just because I think aliens probably have to do with JFK, doesn't mean my theory that Jazz will never get Wiggins, isn't true.
babyjax13 wrote:Godaddycurse wrote:babyjax13 wrote:Trade 3:
SAC trades: Kevin Huerter, Chris Duarte, 2025 POR 2nd
in: Tim Hardaway Jr.
Sacramento swaps Huerter for a Monk replacement & clears up their cap sheet a bit. Perhaps not having Huerter's salary next season also allows them to keep Monk.
Huerter off the books doesn't affect how much they can pay Monk this year, which is what matters. Also THJ is not a Monk replacement at all. i dont think Sacramento would consider this unless they need THJ as an expiring filler in a separate trade
It could affect their ability to avoid the repeater tax if they do retain him which I thought was the main issue?
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