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Dejounte sounds nice. But I don’t think a rebuilding package is what Atlanta wants.


Assuming there is no “Star” player available via trade, here’s a backup trade:



#9, Steven Adams, Jeff Green
for
#17, Bruce Brown



Move back in the draft and pickup a vet for expiring junk salary.


This assumes Houston wants to actually make the playoffs next year, and the guys in this draft beyond the top 5 look like nothing surefire.

Bruce Brown is not a positive value player.

LarsV8 wrote:Bruce Brown is not a positive value player.

He is if you want to cut 22 million in salary instantly over the summer or a rotation player on an expiring contract next season.

wegotthabeet wrote:

LarsV8 wrote:Bruce Brown is not a positive value player.

He is if you want to cut 22 million in salary instantly over the summer or a rotation player on an expiring contract next season.

Adams is expiring, Green is completely NG.

I'd also rather have Adams than Brown for what Houston needs.

ThatBoyNick wrote:

wegotthabeet wrote:

LarsV8 wrote:Bruce Brown is not a positive value player.

He is if you want to cut 22 million in salary instantly over the summer or a rotation player on an expiring contract next season.

Adams is expiring, Green is completely NG.

I'd also rather have Adams than Brown for what Houston needs.

Also Brown has to be guaranteed to match salaries in a trade. So this wouldn't be saving Houston money. And if Adams is back healthy he's got on-court value.

wegotthabeet wrote:

LarsV8 wrote:Bruce Brown is not a positive value player.

He is if you want to cut 22 million in salary instantly over the summer or a rotation player on an expiring contract next season.

That's not how unguaranteed salaries in trade work anymore

Brought this up in the Portland thread but if they dump most of the salary on another team, Simons?

Rockets probably looking for more future potential at this stage, so younger players and or more picks down the road? though they might be open to other things as well, among the bunch oddly Jeff Green might be the one I'm least willing to just give away in terms foa rotation guy that might fit in a lot of situations.

I don't think that's enough to get Simons unless the pick ended up jumping and/or there's someone Portland is just in love with at that spot or it's with some other things.

Simons contract does present some other issues for Houston in terms of they probably need to make a decision on FFV / Green more definitively after next season.

If we take out the Nets pick part if a kinda competetive team with one really bad contract wants out this stems like a decent collection of guys that at least has a chance to be real contributors. What is like GSW willing to give to the Rockets if they make this deal for Wiggins or something, they could throw in Dillon Brooks for a different type of head case (that's probably gonna play at least) ?

There are a few other guys like that potentially. for relatively more competitive teams

K_chile22 wrote:Brought this up in the Portland thread but if they dump most of the salary on another team, Simons?

Is this Jalen+?? for Simons or is it to add Simons to Jalen?

If it’s to add him to FVV/Jalen/Cam/Amen group (I don’t like that version as much as using whatever value Jalen has) then I wouldn’t involve a third team, giving up value to avoid buying guys out isn’t what Portland should be doing. Whatever combination Houston sends Portland will end up trimming 5+ million once they reduce the roster down to 15..

jayjaysee wrote:

K_chile22 wrote:Brought this up in the Portland thread but if they dump most of the salary on another team, Simons?

Is this Jalen+?? for Simons or is it to add Simons to Jalen?

If it’s to add him to FVV/Jalen/Cam/Amen group (I don’t like that version as much as using whatever value Jalen has) then I wouldn’t involve a third team, giving up value to avoid buying guys out isn’t what Portland should be doing. Whatever combination Houston sends Portland will end up trimming 5+ million once they reduce the roster down to 15..

Well Portland needs to get out of the tax.

But figured they wouldn't necessarily value Jalen for much of the same reason they'd be trading Simons. I'd bring both into camp and see who wins the starting spot if they could pull the trade off without him.

Jalen is in a weird spot where the flashes make me hesitant to trade him in a non-star package, yet probably doesn't have a ton of value around the league and I don't trust him to not just be bad again next year

K_chile22 wrote:

jayjaysee wrote:

K_chile22 wrote:Brought this up in the Portland thread but if they dump most of the salary on another team, Simons?

Is this Jalen+?? for Simons or is it to add Simons to Jalen?

If it’s to add him to FVV/Jalen/Cam/Amen group (I don’t like that version as much as using whatever value Jalen has) then I wouldn’t involve a third team, giving up value to avoid buying guys out isn’t what Portland should be doing. Whatever combination Houston sends Portland will end up trimming 5+ million once they reduce the roster down to 15..

Well Portland needs to get out of the tax.

But figured they wouldn't necessarily value Jalen for much of the same reason they'd be trading Simons. I'd bring both into camp and see who wins the starting spot if they could pull the trade off without him.

Jalen is in a weird spot where the flashes make me hesitant to trade him in a non-star package, yet probably doesn't have a ton of value around the league and I don't trust him to not just be bad again next year

Yeah, if you have Simons worth the 9th pick and delay the trade for 9th to count as salary matching..

Tate to cap space team (or into a TPE/MLE)
Jock and 9th to Portland
Simons and one of Reath/Banton/Rupert/Walker to Houston

That takes care of the tax issue completely.

I’d just agree to Jock/Tate/9th for Simons and two of those four.. And be close enough to dropping the tax that you figure it out later..

K_chile22 wrote:

wegotthabeet wrote:

LarsV8 wrote:Bruce Brown is not a positive value player.

He is if you want to cut 22 million in salary instantly over the summer or a rotation player on an expiring contract next season.

That's not how unguaranteed salaries in trade work anymore

So a team couldn’t trade for him before July 1st just to cut 22 million in salary? Is that what you’re saying?

wegotthabeet wrote:

K_chile22 wrote:

wegotthabeet wrote:
He is if you want to cut 22 million in salary instantly over the summer or a rotation player on an expiring contract next season.

That's not how unguaranteed salaries in trade work anymore

So a team couldn’t trade for him before July 1st just to cut 22 million in salary? Is that what you’re saying?

Well first of all I missed that Bruce Brown has a team option and not a non-guarantee so he can't even be traded at all unless that option is picked up

But in general, if it was a non-guarantee, the answer is also no, see here:
http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q85

After a teams season ends their players count as the lesser of the current league year salary and next league years guaranteed salary, so he would hypothetically counts as $0 in matching salary from Toronto's POV unless they guaranteed his deal, but again, moot point because it's a team option


Another thing is all the guys Houston is sending in that hypothetical trade are non guaranteed so they'd gain absolutely nothing by trading them for a different hypothetical guy to waive

K_chile22 wrote:

wegotthabeet wrote:

K_chile22 wrote:That's not how unguaranteed salaries in trade work anymore

So a team couldn’t trade for him before July 1st just to cut 22 million in salary? Is that what you’re saying?

Well first of all I missed that Bruce Brown has a team option and not a non-guarantee so he can't even be traded at all unless that option is picked up

But in general, if it was a non-guarantee, the answer is also no, see here:
http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q85

After a teams season ends their players count as the lesser of the current league year salary and next league years guaranteed salary, so he would hypothetically counts as $0 in matching salary from Toronto's POV unless they guaranteed his deal, but again, moot point because it's a team option


Another thing is all the guys Houston is sending in that hypothetical trade are non guaranteed so they'd gain absolutely nothing by trading them for a different hypothetical guy to waive

Good explanation. Thanks.