Trade offers for Darius Garland?

[Colbinii]

Vassel + Hawks 25/27 1sts + Bulls 1st.

This is insane. How is he more valuable than Vassel?

[Slava]

Is he even any better than D’Angelo Russell?

Yes. By a wide margin.

Happy to help.

Looks like the same player to me and Russell comes out slightly ahead in some.

https://stathead.com/tiny/c51dp

[jbk1234]

Vassel + Hawks 25/27 1sts + Bulls 1st.

This is insane. How is he more valuable than Vassel?

Part of it might be that Vassell's trade value is a little overhyped on Realgm. He's only one year younger than Garland. Vassell shoots 37% from 3, which is good, but not great. If you watch him play, Vassell is a good, but not great defender. Vassell's extension kicks in this summer. He's going to make $30M next season.

[YayBasketball]

Ingram + Alvarado (Ingram's BFF and cool with Mitchell) + pick #21

seems like a fair balancing. Fans are also dreaming up a Garland +Allen package for Ingram + Daniels + Nance + multiple picks deal. Maybe a 3rd team involved where WCJ also goes to Cavs (CJ to Magic).

[Mavrelous]

Vassel + Hawks 25/27 1sts + Bulls 1st.

This is insane. How is he more valuable than Vassel?

I have the difference between 3rd year Garland and Vassel larger than this, and difference between 5th year Garland and Vassel smaller than this, so this in between value seems fair.

[Bentley1225]

Keldon Johnson + #8 pick

[Godaddycurse]

Vassel + Hawks 25/27 1sts + Bulls 1st.

This is insane. How is he more valuable than Vassel?

I have the difference between 3rd year Garland and Vassel larger than this, and difference between 4th year Garland and Vassel smaller than this, so this in between value seems fair.

You have garland worth.more than young? Pretty sure rhat package is (more than) enough for young

[BK_2020]

I am so perplexed by Garland. He was such a good player a couple seasons ago. Now he can't move, shoot, couldn't even a good shot off on 50 year old Horford. Who would give any value for this guy right now? Even if the Cavs can sign Mitchell they should still keep Garland and try to rehab his value.

[DowJones]

Ingram + Alvarado (Ingram's BFF and cool with Mitchell) + pick #21

seems like a fair balancing. Fans are also dreaming up a Garland +Allen package for Ingram + Daniels + Nance + multiple picks deal. Maybe a 3rd team involved where WCJ also goes to Cavs (CJ to Magic).

The Allen part isn’t happening but Garland for Ingram plus a late 1st makes all the sense if Ingram agrees to an extension at max levels as part of the deal.

Mitchell
Strus
Ingram
Mobley
Allen

That is a pretty big starting 5. I still think the fit issue with Allen/Mobley isn’t optimal but it is what it is.

[Mavrelous]

This is insane. How is he more valuable than Vassel?

I have the difference between 3rd year Garland and Vassel larger than this, and difference between 4th year Garland and Vassel smaller than this, so this in between value seems fair.

You have garland worth.more than young? Pretty sure rhat package is (more than) enough for young

Which Young? Young coming off ECF run? this package will be laughed at, I have 3rd year/4th year Garland around Young's value right now...

[Euphonetiks]

Funny to see the Cleveland fans downplay Garland’s down season and awful playoffs performance by referencing how good he was 2 years ago vs how they react to Ingram.

There are some wild valuations in this thread. If Ingram agrees to an extension in a trade, I don’t see how he’s worth less than Garland.

[NotACat]

Rockets for FVV, #3 and Eason. Rockets do it for a pgof. Cavs get a bench scorer, big man depth and a pick to use or trade.
Magic for Franz Wagner. Magic do it for a pgof. Cavs do it for frontcourt length and spacing.
Spurs for Pics(s). Spurs do it for a pgof. Cavs do it for more flexible trade assets
Wizards for Deni and Draft capital. Wiz do it to add another young player next to Bilal and pick #2. Cavs do it for wing depth, cap relief and more flexible assets.

I don't know about the other teams but the Rockets deal definitely is not happening.

Add ORL to the “no chance” list. He’s talented but ORL just watched him disappear in a playoff series. Would happily discuss a trade but not for Franz…or Suggs, for that matter. Garland’s deal makes him a questionable value, despite being really good. Maybe he’ll explode out of Mitchell’s overwhelming shadow, but risky at $40m+

Garland was fantastic against us, especially considering he was coming off of an injury

[Skybox]

Funny to see the Cleveland fans downplay Garland’s down season and awful playoffs performance by referencing how good he was 2 years ago vs how they react to Ingram.

There are some wild valuations in this thread. If Ingram agrees to an extension in a trade, I don’t see how he’s worth less than Garland.

I'd say that's a fair swap, both will be somewhat overpaid and imperfect but highly talented offensive players.

I'd love Garland for ORL, but his contract is a lot to handle for a young team about to get hit with extensions. Maybe NOLA gives CJ to ORL for a pick and Cole Anthony - to clear salary and make a cozy starting spot for Garland.

I'd still go in for him, but likely have to be a 3-way where ORL's contribution is primarily picks, cap space, maybe Jett or Black and/or Cole Anthony. ORL could absorb his salary this summer but I wouldn't expect cap space and picks to be what CLE craves.

[Skybox]

NOLA sends: Brandon Ingram, CJ McCollum
NOLA gets: Darius Garland, Wendell Carter

CLE sends: Darius Garland, Jarrett Allen
CLE gets: Brandon Ingram, Jett Howard, Cole Anthony, ORL 26 frp, DEN 25 frp

ORL sends: Wendell Carter, Jett Howard, Cole Anthony, ORL 26 frp, DEN 25 frp, tons of cap space
ORL gets: Jarrett Allen, CJ McCollum

NOLA gets younger and better at two key positions and smoothly inserts Trey/Herb into Ingram's ill-fitted spot next to Zion.
CLE breaks up their two odd couples (presuming a Mitchell re-sign), adds a long-desired scorer at SF, a young shooter, a combo guard sixth-man who can score in bunches, and two frps.
ORL weaponizes it's cap space to facilitate big salaries moving around, gets a better fitting C and an aging but high-scoring leader at PG.

[DowJones]

Funny to see the Cleveland fans downplay Garland’s down season and awful playoffs performance by referencing how good he was 2 years ago vs how they react to Ingram.

There are some wild valuations in this thread. If Ingram agrees to an extension in a trade, I don’t see how he’s worth less than Garland.

I'd say that's a fair swap, both will be somewhat overpaid and imperfect but highly talented offensive players.

I'd love Garland for ORL, but his contract is a lot to handle for a young team about to get hit with extensions. Maybe NOLA gives CJ to ORL for a pick and Cole Anthony - to clear salary and make a cozy starting spot for Garland.

I'd still go in for him, but likely have to be a 3-way where ORL's contribution is primarily picks, cap space, maybe Jett or Black and/or Cole Anthony. ORL could absorb his salary this summer but I wouldn't expect cap space and picks to be what CLE craves.

Yeah, Orlando just doesn't have the assets. I think the Magic are more interested in signing a FA like Monk or Klay than going all-in on a PG like Darius.

[eminence]

Collins/Clarkson (we could keep Clarkson if they'd prefer) + '27/'29 CLE 1st + '26/'28 CLE swap rights

Lets Cleveland take control of their own picks again. 2 picks + 2 swaps feels like a reasonably competitive offer from what I've seen in here.

[DowJones]

NOLA sends: Brandon Ingram, CJ McCollum
NOLA gets: Darius Garland, Wendell Carter

CLE sends: Darius Garland, Jarrett Allen
CLE gets: Brandon Ingram, Jett Howard, Cole Anthony, ORL 26 frp, DEN 25 frp

ORL sends: Wendell Carter, Jett Howard, Cole Anthony, ORL 26 frp, DEN 25 frp, tons of cap space
ORL gets: Jarrett Allen, CJ McCollum

NOLA gets younger and better at two key positions and smoothly inserts Trey/Herb into Ingram's ill-fitted spot next to Zion.
CLE breaks up their two odd couples (presuming a Mitchell re-sign), adds a long-desired scorer at SF, a young shooter, a combo guard sixth-man who can score in bunches, and two frps.
ORL weaponizes it's cap space to facilitate big salaries moving around, gets a better fitting C and an aging but high-scoring leader at PG.

There is just no reason for Orlando to be in this deal. Allen is a really good player. You don't trade that for Jett Howard and a pair of low first round picks when you are trying to compete. If the Cavs were looking to blow it up, ok, but they aren't.

[daoneandonly]

NOLA sends: Brandon Ingram, CJ McCollum
NOLA gets: Darius Garland, Wendell Carter

CLE sends: Darius Garland, Jarrett Allen
CLE gets: Brandon Ingram, Jett Howard, Cole Anthony, ORL 26 frp, DEN 25 frp

ORL sends: Wendell Carter, Jett Howard, Cole Anthony, ORL 26 frp, DEN 25 frp, tons of cap space
ORL gets: Jarrett Allen, CJ McCollum

NOLA gets younger and better at two key positions and smoothly inserts Trey/Herb into Ingram's ill-fitted spot next to Zion.
CLE breaks up their two odd couples (presuming a Mitchell re-sign), adds a long-desired scorer at SF, a young shooter, a combo guard sixth-man who can score in bunches, and two frps.
ORL weaponizes it's cap space to facilitate big salaries moving around, gets a better fitting C and an aging but high-scoring leader at PG.

There is just no reason for Orlando to be in this deal. Allen is a really good player. You don't trade that for Jett Howard and a pair of low first round picks when you are trying to compete. If the Cavs were looking to blow it up, ok, but they aren't.

Afreed. How in the world can NO dump CJ and get positive value back?

[Godaddycurse]

Collins/Clarkson (we could keep Clarkson if they'd prefer) + '27/'29 CLE 1st + '26/'28 CLE swap rights

Lets Cleveland take control of their own picks again. 2 picks + 2 swaps feels like a reasonably competitive offer from what I've seen in here.

i dont think that will help convince mitchell to re-sign

[Skybox]

NOLA sends: Brandon Ingram, CJ McCollum
NOLA gets: Darius Garland, Wendell Carter

CLE sends: Darius Garland, Jarrett Allen
CLE gets: Brandon Ingram, Jett Howard, Cole Anthony, ORL 26 frp, DEN 25 frp

ORL sends: Wendell Carter, Jett Howard, Cole Anthony, ORL 26 frp, DEN 25 frp, tons of cap space
ORL gets: Jarrett Allen, CJ McCollum

NOLA gets younger and better at two key positions and smoothly inserts Trey/Herb into Ingram's ill-fitted spot next to Zion.
CLE breaks up their two odd couples (presuming a Mitchell re-sign), adds a long-desired scorer at SF, a young shooter, a combo guard sixth-man who can score in bunches, and two frps.
ORL weaponizes it's cap space to facilitate big salaries moving around, gets a better fitting C and an aging but high-scoring leader at PG.

There is just no reason for Orlando to be in this deal. Allen is a really good player. You don't trade that for Jett Howard and a pair of low first round picks when you are trying to compete. If the Cavs were looking to blow it up, ok, but they aren't.

Afreed. How in the world can NO dump CJ and get positive value back?

Are you saying ORL is overpaying NOLA and just taking CJ's salary is enough?