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jayjaysee wrote:

mademan wrote:

jayjaysee wrote:How many future* firsts are needed to turn Collins into Randle? I know the default answers are NY would only trade Randle to upgrade him and Utah would aim higher than Randle. Just checking in.

Far more than the Jazz would be willing to offer. Im not even sure where Randle fits for the Jazz either on the court or timeline wise

If you’re building around, or holding onto Lauri, then your window is now. Randle is only 2.5 years older than Lauri. I think you could play them together plenty of minutes. Whether they are your two bigs, or you have Kessler on the court with them. Seems to work from an outsiders point of view.

Utah could add say Murray and Randle without losing all of the 2027 firsts, any of the 2029 firsts, Kessler, Hendricks, George, or Sexton. That sets up a win now team with the flexibility of trading for a superstar if one comes available.

K_chile22 wrote:If the rockets wanted max space for some reason or just wanted to role with the young wings (doubtful on both but just curious) there would definitely be a market for Dillon Brooks right? Curious what he would be worth. Contract looks like a solid deal now that he's shooting the 3 ball solidly and his usage is a career low

Colbinii wrote:

K_chile22 wrote:If the rockets wanted max space for some reason or just wanted to role with the young wings (doubtful on both but just curious) there would definitely be a market for Dillon Brooks right? Curious what he would be worth. Contract looks like a solid deal now that he's shooting the 3 ball solidly and his usage is a career low

I don't see why they would move him. He is pretty important to their identity and as we have seen with many teams, finding the right identity goes a long way in development and winning [See the Minnesota Timberwolves and Houston Rockets].

I think Houston is simply better off trading one of the young(er) guys for a future pick. Keep kicking the can down the road.

K_chile22 wrote:

Colbinii wrote:

K_chile22 wrote:If the rockets wanted max space for some reason or just wanted to role with the young wings (doubtful on both but just curious) there would definitely be a market for Dillon Brooks right? Curious what he would be worth. Contract looks like a solid deal now that he's shooting the 3 ball solidly and his usage is a career low

I don't see why they would move him. He is pretty important to their identity and as we have seen with many teams, finding the right identity goes a long way in development and winning [See the Minnesota Timberwolves and Houston Rockets].

I think Houston is simply better off trading one of the young(er) guys for a future pick. Keep kicking the can down the road.

I think they really like all the young guys (Jalen was on the edge there but they're probably bought back in) and would be more in the trade picks state of mind than get picks for those guys.

Mostly just a hypothetical though I wouldn't be surprised if Tari is just better than Dillon next year on the floor at least (but obv can't bet on a guy coming off surgery like that)

Colbinii wrote:

K_chile22 wrote:

Colbinii wrote:
I don't see why they would move him. He is pretty important to their identity and as we have seen with many teams, finding the right identity goes a long way in development and winning [See the Minnesota Timberwolves and Houston Rockets].

I think Houston is simply better off trading one of the young(er) guys for a future pick. Keep kicking the can down the road.

I think they really like all the young guys (Jalen was on the edge there but they're probably bought back in) and would be more in the trade picks state of mind than get picks for those guys.

Mostly just a hypothetical though I wouldn't be surprised if Tari is just better than Dillon next year on the floor at least (but obv can't bet on a guy coming off surgery like that)

It's weird seeing a Rocket's fan finally have veterans in the room to lead the team and then within 6-months of turning from a dumpster fire to fighting for a Play-In, they want to trade one of their two key off-season acquisitions.

I think it is fairly obvious management and coaching brought in Brooks to fill a role on and off the court and he is doing that role perfectly.

K_chile22 wrote:

Colbinii wrote:

K_chile22 wrote:I think they really like all the young guys (Jalen was on the edge there but they're probably bought back in) and would be more in the trade picks state of mind than get picks for those guys.

Mostly just a hypothetical though I wouldn't be surprised if Tari is just better than Dillon next year on the floor at least (but obv can't bet on a guy coming off surgery like that)

It's weird seeing a Rocket's fan finally have veterans in the room to lead the team and then within 6-months of turning from a dumpster fire to fighting for a Play-In, they want to trade one of their two key off-season acquisitions.

I think it is fairly obvious management and coaching brought in Brooks to fill a role on and off the court and he is doing that role perfectly.

I don't necesarilly want to lol again, hypothetical. Say Paul George doesn't get a max from LAC and says he'll come if we max him out (think they can get there by cutting all the non-gts and dumping brooks but haven't done the math), extrememly unlikely scenario but in that scenario can they get something for dumping Brooks? Just curious on that after the deal was originally laughed at by many including myself

...or just wanted to role with the young wings

Colbinii wrote:

K_chile22 wrote:

Colbinii wrote:
It's weird seeing a Rocket's fan finally have veterans in the room to lead the team and then within 6-months of turning from a dumpster fire to fighting for a Play-In, they want to trade one of their two key off-season acquisitions.

I think it is fairly obvious management and coaching brought in Brooks to fill a role on and off the court and he is doing that role perfectly.

I don't necesarilly want to lol again, hypothetical. Say Paul George doesn't get a max from LAC and says he'll come if we max him out (think they can get there by cutting all the non-gts and dumping brooks but haven't done the math), extrememly unlikely scenario but in that scenario can they get something for dumping Brooks? Just curious on that after the deal was originally laughed at by many including myself

Sure but this hypothetical is a different tune than your original song.

...or just wanted to role with the young wings

I disagree with this part.

Sure, if you can get a player substantially better than Brooks, then you move Brooks, but that's just common sense. Moving Brooks "to get worse" doesn't really make sense.

K_chile22 wrote:

Colbinii wrote:

K_chile22 wrote:I don't necesarilly want to lol again, hypothetical. Say Paul George doesn't get a max from LAC and says he'll come if we max him out (think they can get there by cutting all the non-gts and dumping brooks but haven't done the math), extrememly unlikely scenario but in that scenario can they get something for dumping Brooks? Just curious on that after the deal was originally laughed at by many including myself

Sure but this hypothetical is a different tune than your original song.

...or just wanted to role with the young wings

I disagree with this part.

Sure, if you can get a player substantially better than Brooks, then you move Brooks, but that's just common sense. Moving Brooks "to get worse" doesn't really make sense.

I was simply presenting hypothetical things they may want to do not what I would want to do necessarily. I also used the wrong 'roll', pre coffee posting lol

mademan wrote:Turning down Green+some of their 1sts for Bridges is gonna end up getting Marks fired.

mademan wrote:Turning down Green+some of their 1sts for Bridges is gonna end up getting Marks fired.

Texas Chuck wrote:

mademan wrote:Turning down Green+some of their 1sts for Bridges is gonna end up getting Marks fired.

I know Green is the flavor of the month right now, but I'm not yet sold he's all that.

That said it never made sense not to sell high on Bridges knowing you couldn't put a contender around him and you were just wasting these cheap years. Utah made the same mistake with Lauri. Ainge is ruthless enough I thought he might, but the governor may be overruling him.

If a guy can't ever realistically be the best player on a contender, you aren't very good, and teams want to badly overpay, you should generally let them.

K_chile22 wrote:Uhhh

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K_chile22 wrote:So if I'm following this correctly, Lore and A-Rod already bought shares of the team, got the rest locked in at an sweet outdated evaluation that they could pay later (but before March 27th), acquired funding, then just... Let the clock run out????? Wtf