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Re: Make Your Best Offer: Anfernee Simons
Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2024 4:22 pm
by mg
Charlotte already tried a small guard (Rozier) next to Ball and it didn't work especially on the defensive side of the court.
Re: Make Your Best Offer: Anfernee Simons
Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2024 5:34 pm
by BlazersBroncos
mg wrote:Charlotte already tried a small guard (Rozier) next to Ball and it didn't work especially on the defensive side of the court.
Rozier isnt nearly the shooter Simons is - that off ball 3PT shooting is a big fit next to Ball IMO.
I really love the fit in SAS - they have the defensive youth to alleviate Simons lack of 3, they have forwards and Vic who can create a bit to alleviate Simons lack of being a true PG and they really could use a high volume 3PT shooter to compliment Wemby. A lead guard that can hit 3.5-4 3's per game would be huge for SAS.
Not sure how the trade works though.
Re: Make Your Best Offer: Anfernee Simons
Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2024 7:16 pm
by hcsilla
Myth wrote:NYG wrote:Myth wrote:
Yeah, I do this for Portland. A couple of gamble picks and no salary.
Does LaMelo/Simons fit?
I think it certainly helps to put a tall guard next to Simons for defensive purposes .
The problem is LaMelo Ball has no intention to play defense.
Re: Make Your Best Offer: Anfernee Simons
Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2024 9:05 pm
by Myth
hcsilla wrote:Myth wrote:NYG wrote:
Does LaMelo/Simons fit?
I think it certainly helps to put a tall guard next to Simons for defensive purposes .
The problem is LaMelo Ball has no intention to play defense.
That then would fit under the umbrella of “I don’t know the ins and outs of Melo’s game.” I’m curious, is it that he is simply bad at defense or does he just not try most of the time but is fine when he does? Either way, that’s not a great defensive fit if he doesn’t play good defense one way or another. Another curiosity question: how does his defense compare to Lillard’s?
Re: Make Your Best Offer: Anfernee Simons
Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2024 3:16 am
by NYG
Anfernee Simons for Keldon Johnson and '25 Hawks 1st
Re: Make Your Best Offer: Anfernee Simons
Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2024 1:25 pm
by NYG
Besides Orlando, who are the best fits for Simons?
Re: Make Your Best Offer: Anfernee Simons
Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2024 1:57 pm
by Myth
NYG wrote:Anfernee Simons for Keldon Johnson and '25 Hawks 1st
I’d be good with that.
Re: Make Your Best Offer: Anfernee Simons
Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2024 2:36 pm
by NYG
Myth wrote:NYG wrote:Anfernee Simons for Keldon Johnson and '25 Hawks 1st
I’d be good with that.
What if it was lower of Spurs/Hawks '25 1st?
Re: Make Your Best Offer: Anfernee Simons
Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2024 2:38 pm
by Myth
NYG wrote:Myth wrote:NYG wrote:Anfernee Simons for Keldon Johnson and '25 Hawks 1st
I’d be good with that.
What if it was lower of Spurs/Hawks '25 1st?
Probably still fine. I don’t expect either to be top teams. So getting that pick and decently productive and young SF is good. Is Keldon any good at defense?
Re: Make Your Best Offer: Anfernee Simons
Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2024 3:16 pm
by Mike lorenzo
In my opinion, the Spurs need an elite playmaker in the point guard position to maximize Wemby, not a scoring guard (very good at that) who goes about his own thing. Simons would fit in the MAGIC and I also like him in the Lakers or Indiana
Re: Make Your Best Offer: Anfernee Simons
Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2024 3:27 pm
by NYG
Mike lorenzo wrote:In my opinion, the Spurs need an elite playmaker in the point guard position to maximize Wemby, not a scoring guard (very good at that) who goes about his own thing. Simons would fit in the MAGIC and I also like him in the Lakers or Indiana
Lakers is a good one I hadn't thought of... would a future 1st, Vanderbilt, Gabe Vincent and JHS be enough? Is AD/Rui/LeBron/Simons/Russell any good?
Re: Make Your Best Offer: Anfernee Simons
Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2024 3:35 pm
by Mike lorenzo
NYG wrote:Mike lorenzo wrote:In my opinion, the Spurs need an elite playmaker in the point guard position to maximize Wemby, not a scoring guard (very good at that) who goes about his own thing. Simons would fit in the MAGIC and I also like him in the Lakers or Indiana
Lakers is a good one I hadn't thought of... would a future 1st, Vanderbilt, Gabe Vincent and JHS be enough? Is AD/Rui/LeBron/Simons/Russell any good?
I like your idea...but in this scenario I think the Lakers are trying to take Thybulle if they negotiate with the BLAZERS and they are losing JV...in fact they seem like very good trade partners to me...and maybe Simons would make more sense if D'lo walk...I also like Grant/Thybulle for Hachimura/Vincent/JV/JHS+Picks..
Re: Make Your Best Offer: Anfernee Simons
Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2024 3:51 pm
by Wolveswin
Colbinii wrote:Something around Towns for Simons++
Maybe a 3-team deal.
To Magic: Towns + Simons + Moore Jr
To Blazers: Jett + 25 Nuggets 1st (via Magic)
To Wolves: WCJ + Black + 25/27/29 Magic 1sts
*Maybe some other win-now talent from Blaz (Thybulle or ?)
Magic would have quite the team with mix of offense and defense.
Towns
Banchero
Wagner
Suggs
Simons
Wolves money stress would have to be real. This trade solves that, with rookie contract Black and his defense fitting well (in theory) next to Edwards as PGOF learning from Conley. WCJ and Reid battle for PF and backup C minutes. But Wolves would really only want this move for player to be named later with newly acquired assets.
Re: Make Your Best Offer: Anfernee Simons
Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2024 4:34 pm
by Myth
Wolveswin wrote:Colbinii wrote:Something around Towns for Simons++
Maybe a 3-team deal.
To Magic: Towns + Simons + Moore Jr
To Blazers: Jett + 25 Nuggets 1st (via Magic)
To Wolves: WCJ + Black + 25/27/29 Magic 1sts
*Maybe some other win-now talent from Blaz (Thybulle or ?)
Magic would have quite the team with mix of offense and defense.
Towns
Banchero
Wagner
Suggs
Simons
Wolves money stress would have to be real. This trade solves that, with rookie contract Black and his defense fitting well (in theory) next to Edwards as PGOF learning from Conley. WCJ and Reid battle for PF and backup C minutes. But Wolves would really only want this move for player to be named later with newly acquired assets.
I’d need to see more from Jett to believe he isn’t a bust. The Nuggets pick is likely very late 1st. That combo isn’t enough for me give up Simons, definitely not adding Thybulle to it.
Re: Make Your Best Offer: Anfernee Simons
Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2024 5:49 pm
by jayjaysee
The KAT idea made me try..
Hunter, Griffin, 2029 Atlanta first (say top 5 protected then unprotected?) to Portland
Simons, OO, 10th, 20th to Minnesota
KAT to Atlanta
Something like that?
KAT/Jalen/Bey/Murray/Trae
And maybe flip Capela for 2-3 smaller salary guys (say Adams, Tate, 2nds) if they look like a tax team?
Seems like a terrible idea for Minnesota imo.. and less value than the other deals suggested for Portland but some more upside
Re: Make Your Best Offer: Anfernee Simons
Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2024 6:39 pm
by BlazersBroncos
I just dont get why MIN is trading KAT coming off one of the most successful seasons in franchise history?
Re: Make Your Best Offer: Anfernee Simons
Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2024 9:13 pm
by Rockazoids
ChettheJet wrote: They just didn't get theirs in the flow of the offense. Walked it up and took a shot or pounded the ball a while until they got space or maybe not and fired it up. I see Julius Randle and Duncan Robinson the same way, they get theirs they just don't bring the team with them
It's funny a Bulls fan saying that with Zach LaVine on their team while taking up over $40 M, Randle would be the best player
on the Bulls team. Randle has been All NBA 2 out of the last 3 years and was well on his way this year until he got under cut.
Re: Make Your Best Offer: Anfernee Simons
Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2024 11:16 pm
by Wolveswin
BlazersBroncos wrote:I just dont get why MIN is trading KAT coming off one of the most successful seasons in franchise history?
Money, money, moneeey. Well that is the central reasoning. But others stacked too.
Playoffs will dictate everything, re: how viable a Towns trade is/becomes.
And despite amazing Wolves win total, I wouldn’t call the season “successful.” Yet. Wolves are an expensive team, all asset chips in the middle, leveraged on winning now in playoffs. 1st round loss and 23/24 will not be “successful” as you say.
Re: Make Your Best Offer: Anfernee Simons
Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2024 11:18 pm
by Wolveswin
jayjaysee wrote:The KAT idea made me try..
Hunter, Griffin, 2029 Atlanta first (say top 5 protected then unprotected?) to Portland
Simons, OO, 10th, 20th to Minnesota
KAT to Atlanta
Something like that?
KAT/Jalen/Bey/Murray/Trae
And maybe flip Capela for 2-3 smaller salary guys (say Adams, Tate, 2nds) if they look like a tax team?
Seems like a terrible idea for Minnesota imo.. and less value than the other deals suggested for Portland but some more upside
Sorry, but that is yuck to this Wolves fan.
Not loving the Simons fit in MN. OO isn’t better than Reid and doesn’t really fill a need. Having 3x 1sts in 24 draft (2x as value from a Towns trade) is just…yuck again.
Re: Make Your Best Offer: Anfernee Simons
Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2024 8:19 pm
by He Filled it Up
tiderulz wrote:ChettheJet wrote:He is in the same category as Jordan Poole and Jeremi Grant. They put up numbers all on their own
The Bulls just beat the WIZ and PORT convincingly. Poole was 4-12 from the field for 13 points 8 assist and Simons had 30 on 10-24 shooting and 9 assists. They just didn't get theirs in the flow of the offense. Walked it up and took a shot or pounded the ball a while until they got space or maybe not and fired it up. I see Julius Randle and Duncan Robinson the same way, they get theirs they just don't bring the team with them
I think you see some high dollar players that don't get traded because they don't play team ball and nobody thinks they'll fit in if they trade for them. And some lower cost guys never stick for a 2nd or 3rd year with teams for the same reason.
I think Simons problem is that he shouldnt be the #1 guy. He is a very good shooter and good scorer. But he would play better as the 2nd or 3rd option.
The problem with this archetype, given his size, is that you need your other guard to be a better ball-handler/playmaker AND a better defensive player (at least being able to cover the #2 perimeter assignment). IMO this can only really work if you have a Lebron or Jokic-style big playmaker, which really narrows the field given Simmons price tag. Maybe Paolo is/will be one of those types, and Orlando could get away with a Suggs/Simmons backcourt?