Re: What Does a J. Isaac to SAC Trade Look Like?
Posted: Sat Apr 27, 2024 3:05 pm
I can't imagine Sacramento has the assets to get Isaac.
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NotACat wrote:I can't imagine Sacramento has the assets to get Isaac.
Beam Me Up Foxy wrote:Residual-Heat wrote:LightTheBeam wrote:Stein reports that they wanted to add some shooting.
Huerter for Isaac seems to fit in nicely.
With Sasha/Lyles being able to pick up PF minutes, I would mind Kings risking it with JIs injury history.
They have 40 mill in capspace to get a better shooter/player than Huerter while keeping Isaac.
I dont think the Magic will trade Isaac. I know people want to argue he doesnt have much value, but he does to the Magic. They invested so much in his rehabilitation and he has a real impact that translates to wins. He has played an important role this season, and hopefully should play an even bigger role next season.
I'm not arguing Huerter is your guy. But I will point out your argument is faulty. You don't place value in sunk costs. What is spent is spent. At this point thr evaluation must be, does x player provide us a better opportunity the y player does for the foreseeable future. If the answer is yes. Make the trade. If the answer is no then don't.
Fixating on what was spent on his rehab is bound to lead your team down a perilous path in the long run
Beam Me Up Foxy wrote:SNPA wrote:Besides injuries, which is sufficient to kill most deals for Sac, there is a locker room fit factor. The Kings have a group of guys who really get along. Issac brings a whole set of political activities with him. Maybe those aren’t an issue, maybe it causes some disharmony. It’s a factor to be considered for Sac who has long had a team unity issue and doesn’t want to go back.
Whoa. Projection much? I have zero doubts Isaac wouldn't get along very well with the group Sacto has.
SNPA wrote:Beam Me Up Foxy wrote:SNPA wrote:Besides injuries, which is sufficient to kill most deals for Sac, there is a locker room fit factor. The Kings have a group of guys who really get along. Issac brings a whole set of political activities with him. Maybe those aren’t an issue, maybe it causes some disharmony. It’s a factor to be considered for Sac who has long had a team unity issue and doesn’t want to go back.
Whoa. Projection much? I have zero doubts Isaac wouldn't get along very well with the group Sacto has.
Ok. I have some concerns about it.
HartfordWhalers wrote:NotACat wrote:I can't imagine Sacramento has the assets to get Isaac.
I cannot imagine they don't.
Skybox wrote:HartfordWhalers wrote:NotACat wrote:I can't imagine Sacramento has the assets to get Isaac.
I cannot imagine they don't.
name them
HartfordWhalers wrote:Skybox wrote:HartfordWhalers wrote:
I cannot imagine they don't.
name them
This is the first post of this very thread
Skybox wrote:SNPA wrote:Beam Me Up Foxy wrote:Whoa. Projection much? I have zero doubts Isaac wouldn't get along very well with the group Sacto has.
Ok. I have some concerns about it.
HartfordWhalers wrote:Skybox wrote:HartfordWhalers wrote:
I cannot imagine they don't.
name them
This is the first post of this very thread
psman2 wrote:
I think Isaac as truly turned into a positive asset. He has come a long way from a guy that had a good chance of being released in January if he got hurt or didn't perform to not GTD the rest of his contract. I have him clearly worth more than a guy like Huerter that is close to a JAG and is going to start next season recovering from shoulder surgery. But if you want to take an objective holistic approach to Isaac's trade value, then one would come to the conclusion if Orlando was to take the best offer it would be likely a mid 1st in this draft or just simply a future LP 1st from a playoff team. Now Orlando can of course not trade him for this value but it is kind of an obtuse stance to state that any team doesn't have the assets for Isaac outside of maybe Phoenix.
Skybox wrote:
and the rest of the posts were largely explaining how none of those players make sense for ORL and picks are not the right direction for a team already populated with recent high draftees that can't get on the court...ORL needs and is ready for significant backcourt upgrade, which SAC doesn't have (other than Monk that ORL doesn't have to pay SAC for)...if you say "lots of picks for another target", that's effectively a 3-way. so...no
HartfordWhalers wrote:Skybox wrote:HartfordWhalers wrote:
This is the first post of this very thread
and the rest of the posts were largely explaining how none of those players make sense for ORL and picks are not the right direction for a team already populated with recent high draftees that can't get on the court...ORL needs and is ready for significant backcourt upgrade, which SAC doesn't have (other than Monk that ORL doesn't have to pay SAC for)...if you say "lots of picks for another target", that's effectively a 3-way. so...no
If you are going to straight faced tell me that Orlando would turn down the entirety of the ton of picks and swaps Sac could offer because it would require Orlando to take a minute and find a 3 way deal I will say you are being absurd and should probably stop being absurd if you want to be taken seriously.
Skybox wrote:HartfordWhalers wrote:Skybox wrote:
and the rest of the posts were largely explaining how none of those players make sense for ORL and picks are not the right direction for a team already populated with recent high draftees that can't get on the court...ORL needs and is ready for significant backcourt upgrade, which SAC doesn't have (other than Monk that ORL doesn't have to pay SAC for)...if you say "lots of picks for another target", that's effectively a 3-way. so...no
If you are going to straight faced tell me that Orlando would turn down the entirety of the ton of picks and swaps Sac could offer because it would require Orlando to take a minute and find a 3 way deal I will say you are being absurd and should probably stop being absurd if you want to be taken seriously.
You're just being argumentative... if it's got to be a 3-way, then it's a whole different trade. Throw out some 3-ways then.
Skybox wrote:SNPA wrote:Beam Me Up Foxy wrote:Whoa. Projection much? I have zero doubts Isaac wouldn't get along very well with the group Sacto has.
Ok. I have some concerns about it.
He's fine in ORL's locker room...if you think it's political standing - I'd expect every locker room in the NBA to be leaning similarly, including ORL's. He's a good guy- I don't agree with his politics either, but he doesn't seem to bother anyone or act disruptively. Guys that work that hard and relish the dirty work are appreciated by teammates regardless.
Skybox wrote:HartfordWhalers wrote:Skybox wrote:
and the rest of the posts were largely explaining how none of those players make sense for ORL and picks are not the right direction for a team already populated with recent high draftees that can't get on the court...ORL needs and is ready for significant backcourt upgrade, which SAC doesn't have (other than Monk that ORL doesn't have to pay SAC for)...if you say "lots of picks for another target", that's effectively a 3-way. so...no
If you are going to straight faced tell me that Orlando would turn down the entirety of the ton of picks and swaps Sac could offer because it would require Orlando to take a minute and find a 3 way deal I will say you are being absurd and should probably stop being absurd if you want to be taken seriously.
You're just being argumentative... if it's got to be a 3-way, then it's a whole different trade. Throw out some 3-ways then.
OxAndFox wrote:Skybox wrote:HartfordWhalers wrote:
If you are going to straight faced tell me that Orlando would turn down the entirety of the ton of picks and swaps Sac could offer because it would require Orlando to take a minute and find a 3 way deal I will say you are being absurd and should probably stop being absurd if you want to be taken seriously.
You're just being argumentative... if it's got to be a 3-way, then it's a whole different trade. Throw out some 3-ways then.
Think he is meaning something like this. If the Kings offer was Barnes/Mitchell and the picks would Orlando say, no thanks we don't value the picks, OR would they go and get someone like Dejounte Murray.
Sac: #13/'27 1st/'28 1st swap/'29 1st/Barnes/Mitchell for Isaac
Orl: Isaac for Murray
Atl: Murray for #13/'27 1st/'28 1st Swap/'29 1st/Barnes/Mitchell
Skybox wrote:
and the rest of the posts were largely explaining how none of those players make sense for ORL and picks are not the right direction for a team already populated with recent high draftees that can't get on the court...ORL needs and is ready for significant backcourt upgrade, which SAC doesn't have (other than Monk that ORL doesn't have to pay SAC for)...if you say "lots of picks for another target", that's effectively a 3-way. so...no
SNPA wrote:OxAndFox wrote:Skybox wrote:
You're just being argumentative... if it's got to be a 3-way, then it's a whole different trade. Throw out some 3-ways then.
Think he is meaning something like this. If the Kings offer was Barnes/Mitchell and the picks would Orlando say, no thanks we don't value the picks, OR would they go and get someone like Dejounte Murray.
Sac: #13/'27 1st/'28 1st swap/'29 1st/Barnes/Mitchell for Isaac
Orl: Isaac for Murray
Atl: Murray for #13/'27 1st/'28 1st Swap/'29 1st/Barnes/Mitchell
WTF?
3 firsts, a swap and Mitchell/Barnes? That’s a crazy overpay. He isn’t worth a single lottery first at this point, maybe one backend first for a team willing to roll the dice.
Sac should not even trade Barnes/13. Barnes plays all 82.
OxAndFox wrote:SNPA wrote:OxAndFox wrote:
Think he is meaning something like this. If the Kings offer was Barnes/Mitchell and the picks would Orlando say, no thanks we don't value the picks, OR would they go and get someone like Dejounte Murray.
Sac: #13/'27 1st/'28 1st swap/'29 1st/Barnes/Mitchell for Isaac
Orl: Isaac for Murray
Atl: Murray for #13/'27 1st/'28 1st Swap/'29 1st/Barnes/Mitchell
WTF?
3 firsts, a swap and Mitchell/Barnes? That’s a crazy overpay. He isn’t worth a single lottery first at this point, maybe one backend first for a team willing to roll the dice.
Sac should not even trade Barnes/13. Barnes plays all 82.
Of course Sacramento wouldn't do it. I was simply showing what Hartford was saying. If Sac threw in all their picks would Orlando still say no you don't have the assets to get Isaac? Or would they go and find a 3rd team to get what they need? I think the Magic and every team in the NBA would do that 100 times out of 100.