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If the Cavs do make it deep and know Mitchell is not resigning:

Heat send: Robinson, Herro, 29 FRP
Heat receive: Mitchell

Thunder send: Jaylin Williams, K. Williams, Wallace, 2 FRPs (24/25)
Thunder receive: LeVert, Herro

Cavs send: Mitchell
Cavs receive: Jaylin Wiliams, K. Williams, Wallace, 2 FRPs (24/25), Robinson, 29 FRP

Cavs cash in on Mitchell by getting the outside shooter they need in Robinson, get a young Wallace to run with the younger Garland, Mobley, Allen. A back up center in J. Williams. And get 3 picks spread out to allow needs to be flushed. Release those cap holds and Cavs have a good amount of money under the cap to spend.

Thunder move off of a couple back-up/role players and the potential of Wallace for a seasoned LeVert and player capable of leading the second group or slide into the 2 spot. Still have cap money to fill either the center or PF back up spot.

Heat giving up on the role players and bringing in a star to partner with Jaquez and Adebayo. Miami gets under the cap.

Outside of the Butler trade, has one of these "the Heat offer absolutely nothing and get a star in return" trade scenarios ever come close to happening.

The Heat strike out every year because they have no assets.

Terrible for the 2 teams not named MIami. Their guys dont hold this kind of value

LeVert and Herro together likely cannot pull Carson alone here and your trade falls apart right there.

If OKC is giving up more value than the Heat, they'd better be getting the best player in the deal. No reason for the Heat to be here.

Just no. Duncan/Herro/1 draft pick will never get you Donovan Mitchell.

OKC sees Mitchell being traded for one first more than they are paying, but takes Herro instead?

Herro isn’t worth any two of Cason, lottery pick, future first.

Agree that if the Cavs would take back the OKC package, the Heat get cut out. Disagree that the OKC package is all that enticing. The Thunder's B and C level prospects plus a couple of generic picks doesn't get me excited.

jbk1234 wrote:Agree that if the Cavs would take back the OKC package, the Heat get cut out. Disagree that the OKC package is all that enticing. The Thunder's B and C level prospects plus a couple of generic picks doesn't get me excited.

Yeah, it definitely doesn't feel like the highest bid although I'm intrigued by Wallace. OKC can certainly afford to pay more.

I like Mitchell but I don't see the fit for Miami if we're trading Robinson. I guess for this deal though, you take it and worry about fit later.

Still, this is a crap trade for OKC. If, however, Mitchell refuses to resign in Cleveland they may be forced to take less than market value for him. Not sure this is it, though...

jbk1234 wrote:Agree that if the Cavs would take back the OKC package, the Heat get cut out. Disagree that the OKC package is all that enticing. The Thunder's B and C level prospects plus a couple of generic picks doesn't get me excited.

Just because they aren't the Thunder's best young players doesn't mean they don't have enough value. Cason would be the Cavs third best guard as a rookie. And he's one of the best guard defenders already.

The value of another deep playoff run is worth much more than getting some trash picks and players back. The Cavs can then s&t to recoup probably the same value as being proposed here.

MoneyTalks41890 wrote:

jbk1234 wrote:Agree that if the Cavs would take back the OKC package, the Heat get cut out. Disagree that the OKC package is all that enticing. The Thunder's B and C level prospects plus a couple of generic picks doesn't get me excited.

Just because they aren't the Thunder's best young players doesn't mean they don't have enough value. Cason would be the Cavs third best guard as a rookie. And he's one of the best guard defenders already.

That package isn’t close to enough to get Cleveland to trade Mitchell. This is $.25 on the dollar. At that point, the Cavs are better off taking this into the season and seeing how it plays out.

This is terrible for OKC like mentioned...even without Cason Wallace and one less FRP I wouldn't do it

I don't think it's that bad for the Cavs if Donovan Mitchell says to the FO that he's gone. Siakam returned way less than 3 FRPs + a good prospect like Cason Wallace (and Kenrich is a decent bench player). If I understood, OKC would send 2024 FRP which is going to be in the lottery. I know it's not great and way less than what they paid to get him but what is likely gonna be the best offer for an expiring Donovan Mitchell?

Dadouv47 wrote:This is terrible for OKC like mentioned...even without Cason Wallace and one less FRP I wouldn't do it

I don't think it's that bad for the Cavs if Donovan Mitchell says to the FO that he's gone. Siakam returned way less than 3 FRPs + a good prospect like Cason Wallace (and Kenrich is a decent bench player). If I understood, OKC would send 2024 FRP which is going to be in the lottery. I know it's not great and way less than what they paid to get him but what is likely gonna be the best offer for an expiring Donovan Mitchell?

We really don't know what the best offer will be until it's been made. We don't know how many teams will call or what the Cavs will want. We also don't know that he'll even hit the market this summer. We don't know whether he'll give oral assurances to any of the teams who want trade for him regarding an extension. But in addition to being younger than Siakam, the key difference between the two is that the Mitchell could be extended before the moratorium if he's traded this summer.

If fans want to make a bunch of assumptions that are favorable to their desired outcome, they're free to do so, but given the fact that fans of different teams are making conflicting assumptions in order to justify differing outcomes, they can't all be correct.

BK_2020 wrote:The value of another deep playoff run is worth much more than getting some trash picks and players back. The Cavs can then s&t to recoup probably the same value as being proposed here.

Can you list the last SNT that netted 3 1sts, one recent lottery player with promise and no bad salary? With a team like Brooklyn waiting with cap space as a true threat to sign him outright or be used as leverage for another team not to have to give up the farm in a SNT which would be in Mitchell's future interests for his new team not to overpay.

A SNT will likely be Clev actually paying some 2nds to get a TPE or maybe a team giving one of two 1sts to move around some salary to make it happen. I would not go into this season if Mitchell declares he is not extending expecting to be able to recoup much if anything in a SNT after the season.

psman2 wrote:

BK_2020 wrote:The value of another deep playoff run is worth much more than getting some trash picks and players back. The Cavs can then s&t to recoup probably the same value as being proposed here.

Can you list the last SNT that netted 3 1sts, one recent lottery player with promise and no bad salary? With a team like Brooklyn waiting with cap space as a true threat to sign him outright or be used as leverage for another team not to have to give up the farm in a SNT which would be in Mitchell's future interests for his new team not to overpay.

A SNT will likely be Clev actually paying some 2nds to get a TPE or maybe a team giving one of two 1sts to move around some salary to make it happen. I would not go into this season if Mitchell declares he is not extending expecting to be able to recoup much if anything in a SNT after the season.

So let's say Mitchell really wants to go to Miami. If that is the case, then the only way he can get there in 2025 is if Cleveland does a sign and trade. The same with the Lakers, Knicks, etc. I agree that if Cleveland is getting reasonable offers this summer then their best move is to trade Donovan, but if the best offer is Herro and a 2029 1st then they are better off keeping him at least until the trade deadline.

DowJones wrote:

psman2 wrote:

BK_2020 wrote:The value of another deep playoff run is worth much more than getting some trash picks and players back. The Cavs can then s&t to recoup probably the same value as being proposed here.

Can you list the last SNT that netted 3 1sts, one recent lottery player with promise and no bad salary? With a team like Brooklyn waiting with cap space as a true threat to sign him outright or be used as leverage for another team not to have to give up the farm in a SNT which would be in Mitchell's future interests for his new team not to overpay.

A SNT will likely be Clev actually paying some 2nds to get a TPE or maybe a team giving one of two 1sts to move around some salary to make it happen. I would not go into this season if Mitchell declares he is not extending expecting to be able to recoup much if anything in a SNT after the season.

So let's say Mitchell really wants to go to Miami. If that is the case, then the only way he can get there in 2025 is if Cleveland does a sign and trade. The same with the Lakers, Knicks, etc. I agree that if Cleveland is getting reasonable offers this summer then their best move is to trade Donovan, but if the best offer is Herro and a 2029 1st then they are better off keeping him at least until the trade deadline.

There are avenues for teams to clear space that don't involve paying 4 1sts in value in a SNT. Like the Knicks could move off of money(hart/robinson/etc) and/or not resign Randle and could get under the cap enough to sign Mitchell outright. LeBron decides to take a Jordan approach to his final years and take a big discount that allows LAL to sign Mitchell. Miami can even likely go the cap space route cheaper than 4 1sts.

The point is I would not go into this offseason with the approach that a SNT netting Clev 4 1sts in value is the worst case scenario they can fall back on if they don't trade him this offseason.

4 1sts lmao

The Lakers could easily beat this offer. If Heat are unwilling to include Jaquez I doubt they have a viable way to obtain Mitchell.