Realistic but optimistic Jazz offseason.

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Bradley Beal?

LaVine is an all-star. No team would trade LaVine straight up for Collins.

Two years ago, as was Wiggins. No rational person would call either of them all-stars anymore. I’m not saying that Collins is either, but he gave FAR better bang for the buck than those two did this season.

I'm not sure why people view these players this way.

1) LaVine is significantly more talented
2) LaVine is significantly better
3) Last year LaVine put up 25/5/5 on +80 TS% in 77 games. This is an all-star level player, last year.

The idea that Collins has more value than LaVine is a massive red flag for player evaluation. No team in their right mind goes "Man, this LaVine guy had surgery this year but over the past 3 seasons was at 3.7 OBPM and +340 TS+ yet is less valuable than Collins.

Like come on. LaVine when healthy [which he has been for literally 5 of the past 6 seasons] is 10x the player Collins is.

1. Disagree
2. Disagree
3. Lavine’s TS% is perpetually lower than that of Collins.

Despite playing three more seasons and 50% more minutes, Zach’s career WS (a cumulative metric) is lower than John’s. Maybe Zach becomes an all-star again, but I wouldn’t wager a single penny on it. Maybe he’ll be mediocre at best after the foot surgery. Maybe he’s permanently regressed to the mediocre player he was before a couple of solid seasons. I’m far more comfortable with a $53MM commitment Collins than a $138MM gamble on a Lavine return to all-star form.

[Texas Chuck]

Oh LaVine is way more talented than Collins. I don't think there is much question about that. But is he a more effective player? Maybe barely. Is he better value? No, I can't see that.

And I think if Chicago could trade him straight up for Collins they would do so incredibly quickly.

[HadAnEffectHere]

The big thing about the Bulls is that they need to get under the luxury tax and Collins for LaVine gets them under the luxury tax.

[JasonStern]

LaVine is a better player than Collins, but I don't think either have the value fans are applying to them. The Jazz acquired Collins for Rudy Gay and a 2nd round pick, and he hasn't done anything on the court to boost that value. Meanwhile, LaVine is coming off of a serious injury. Trading him when his value is lowest is probably a red flag to other teams that the injury is more severe than, as fans, we would like.

[babyjax13]

LaVine is a better player than Collins, but I don't think either have the value fans are applying to them. The Jazz acquired Collins for Rudy Gay and a 2nd round pick, and he hasn't done anything on the court to boost that value. Meanwhile, LaVine is coming off of a serious injury. Trading him when his value is lowest is probably a red flag to other teams that the injury is more severe than, as fans, we would like.

I don't think the Utah fanbase has demonstrated they attribute value to Collins. His shooting did come back a bit, but he's a very "meh" player on a big contract.

[JasonStern]

LaVine is a better player than Collins, but I don't think either have the value fans are applying to them. The Jazz acquired Collins for Rudy Gay and a 2nd round pick, and he hasn't done anything on the court to boost that value. Meanwhile, LaVine is coming off of a serious injury. Trading him when his value is lowest is probably a red flag to other teams that the injury is more severe than, as fans, we would like.

I don't think the Utah fanbase has demonstrated they attribute value to Collins. His shooting did come back a bit, but he's a very "meh" player on a big contract.

Fair assessment. DeRozan and Collins were the two players I thought Portland would go after to appease Dame based on acquisition cost and roster fit. Probably for the best that the Blazers didn't go down that path, but we're bottom tier for the foreseeable future.

Personally, I never understood the Collins hate. I remember when I heard the Blazers drafted Collins, I was excited because I thought it was John - not Zach. John has flaws, especially on defense. But he's still a solid NBA starter.

[babyjax13]

LaVine is a better player than Collins, but I don't think either have the value fans are applying to them. The Jazz acquired Collins for Rudy Gay and a 2nd round pick, and he hasn't done anything on the court to boost that value. Meanwhile, LaVine is coming off of a serious injury. Trading him when his value is lowest is probably a red flag to other teams that the injury is more severe than, as fans, we would like.

I don't think the Utah fanbase has demonstrated they attribute value to Collins. His shooting did come back a bit, but he's a very "meh" player on a big contract.

Fair assessment. DeRozan and Collins were the two players I thought Portland would go after to appease Dame based on acquisition cost and roster fit. Probably for the best that the Blazers didn't go down that path, but we're bottom tier for the foreseeable future.

Personally, I never understood the Collins hate. I remember when I heard the Blazers drafted Collins, I was excited because I thought it was John - not Zach. John has flaws, especially on defense. But he's still a solid NBA starter.

Yah, as a 5th starter he is fine. Nothing exciting and I think every team that has him would prefer an upgrade (kind of what DLo and Dinwiddie are to the point guard position, Collins is to power forward or center).