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What does Phoenix do this off-season?

They have nothing to work with except KD and Booker.
Only realistic trade is KD for depth, the inverse of the original KD trade.

Mavrelous wrote:They have nothing to work with except KD and Booker.
Only realistic trade is KD for depth, the inverse of the original KD trade.

They have their 2024 pick and can trade their 2031 pick. But I don't think they should.

I'm not sure they'd get enough value to make a KD trade worth it.

Dan Z wrote:

Mavrelous wrote:They have nothing to work with except KD and Booker.
Only realistic trade is KD for depth, the inverse of the original KD trade.

They have their 2024 pick and can trade their 2031 pick. But I don't think they should.

I'm not sure they'd get enough value to make a KD trade worth it.

If I dont remember wrong, teams above the second apron cannot move first round picks 7 years out.

I would blow it up

To Knicks: KD

To Suns: Randle + Robinson + Picks as needed

Knicks would have to see KD as a nice win-now upgrade. More than media hype would anyway.

Suns break KD down into two pieces. Plus can trade Nurkic salary plus little draft capital (own + Knicks) they now have for a PG.

First thing I would do is call the Lakers and see if they would consider a DLo + Rui + Vincent for Beal swap. The Lakers are one of the few teams that could justify the Beal contract, especially if the Lebron takes less money to keep the team in range for the full MLE (they would be 7 deep of nba vets with James, Davis, Beal, Reaves, vando, prince, MLE) . If I’m the Lakers I’m asking for PHX to include their 2024 1st here but I’m not sure it’s necessary.

But for the Suns, this starts the path to a re-tool around Booker/Durant. Forget the lack of depth, but the skill set of this big 3 felt very redundant.

Russell-Booker-O’Neal-Durant-Nurkic
Vincent-Allen-Rui

Not perfect, but more depth, better firing pieces and future flexibility.

If they don’t move the pick in the above mentioned Beal swap, i would look to package the pick with Nurk for a rim runner. Would ATL take on an extra year of Nurks salary to turn Clint Capela into a pick?

R-DAWG wrote: Would ATL take on an extra year of Nurks salary to turn Clint Capela into a pick?

You HAVE to trade Durant.

I'm not sure Isiah Thomas is smart enough to do so.

I have been saying they should just work around the edges and keep everyone.. but after that series it’s hard to think that’s the right answer anymore.

They lost to the better team/seed, so losing isn’t the issue just how they lost IMO.

But I think I still side with work around the edges since they are so pushed in. Fire coach, trade the 2024 first..

For Realgm, I’d see if a team takes Beal+KD as a package and work a third team in as necessary... Not sure they agree to go to a team that can legally do that, but there are teams that it could make sense on.

jayu70 wrote:

R-DAWG wrote: Would ATL take on an extra year of Nurks salary to turn Clint Capela into a pick?

Phoenix can't do that if they are in the 2nd apron. Capela makes more than Nurk

Wolveswin wrote:To Knicks: KD

To Suns: Randle + Robinson + Picks as needed

Knicks would have to see KD as a nice win-now upgrade. More than media hype would anyway.

Suns break KD down into two pieces. Plus can trade Nurkic salary plus little draft capital (own + Knicks) they now have for a PG.

I think this trade makes sense. Knicks have two picks in this year's draft, Phoenix should grab one of them, keep the pick they have now and just build out the depth.

Nurk can probably be flipped for something like DFS and a couple of second rounders. Booker/Beal/Allen/Randle/Robinson is not a bad starting 5. You get DFS and both first rounders as bench pieces, and maybe bring back a couple of their min guys to round out depth. It's not going to win a championship, but at the very least you become 6-7 deep.

I mean your options are basically (1) nibble around the edges and hope that Booker/KD/Beal are healthier next year, or (2) trade KD and re-set around Booker.

Smart money says they go with (1) and end up in basically the same place next year: a 4-6 seed and a first/second round exit.

Rafael122 wrote:

Wolveswin wrote:To Knicks: KD

To Suns: Randle + Robinson + Picks as needed

Knicks would have to see KD as a nice win-now upgrade. More than media hype would anyway.

Suns break KD down into two pieces. Plus can trade Nurkic salary plus little draft capital (own + Knicks) they now have for a PG.

I think this trade makes sense. Knicks have two picks in this year's draft, Phoenix should grab one of them, keep the pick they have now and just build out the depth.

Nurk can probably be flipped for something like DFS and a couple of second rounders. Booker/Beal/Allen/Randle/Robinson is not a bad starting 5. You get DFS and both first rounders as bench pieces, and maybe bring back a couple of their min guys to round out depth. It's not going to win a championship, but at the very least you become 6-7 deep.

I would be all in on a PG with Nurkic salary and picks.

White or fallback Caruso from Chicago would be my first choice. Bulls probably don’t want Nurkic so find a 3rd team who needs a center.

Robinson (more D at rim)
Randle
Booker
Beal
White

I would be tempted to require Beal and his 50M to be a super 6th, closing games, and scoring at will with 2nd unit.

They should try real hard to move Beal and get a better balance for their team. Going to be real difficult but there is always one team willing to do something stupid.

Rafael122 wrote:

Wolveswin wrote:To Knicks: KD

To Suns: Randle + Robinson + Picks as needed

Knicks would have to see KD as a nice win-now upgrade. More than media hype would anyway.

Suns break KD down into two pieces. Plus can trade Nurkic salary plus little draft capital (own + Knicks) they now have for a PG.

I think this trade makes sense. Knicks have two picks in this year's draft, Phoenix should grab one of them, keep the pick they have now and just build out the depth.

Nurk can probably be flipped for something like DFS and a couple of second rounders. Booker/Beal/Allen/Randle/Robinson is not a bad starting 5. You get DFS and both first rounders as bench pieces, and maybe bring back a couple of their min guys to round out depth. It's not going to win a championship, but at the very least you become 6-7 deep.

DFS is significantly more valuable than Nurk. I have Phoenix needing to add at least a first to that swap.

Issue is that Booker, KD and Beal don't fit. Get Embiid and the fit with KD is fantastic.
KD + Embiid + Beal has serious championship aspirations. Sixers get Booker as a consolation prize, as much as it pains me to see Embiid go.

Stay pat and try and fix the pieces around them. Minny looked bad the year before after the Gobert trade, and now they're the #1 seed. Give it another year then blow it up.

I think you try and find that magic needle to thread where you can turn Beal and limited assets into bad contracts that fit better. But finding a team wanting to do that very thing that Beal will also agree to go to is likely impossible. But you have to try.

Other than that, send out KD to recruit old ring chasers and Booker to recruit guys with talent who have failed elsewhere who will play on one year min deals and hope you get a better mix this time.

Can't get better realistically trading KD so I strongly disagree they must do that.

Is there a 2024 1st plus Nurk for tolerable playmaking PG and decent bench forward type deal out there?