ORL - To PG or not to PG.

[Residual-Heat]

I guess if you look hard enough you can find a stat to support anything...sometimes the eye test isn't flawed. BTW, he's 21 and, other than Mitchell, he was far and away the best player in the series.

I'm pretty comfortable saying there's only a handful of players I'd consider trading him for and probably noone over 26yo, given his age, icy mentality, and freakish physical gifts.

I'm just saying the numbers are what they are and the Magic would be foolish to discard Franz for some notion of a second star to pair with Banchero. Franz is the real deal.

Maybe I jumped into the wrong conversation...Totally agree about Franz. They fit together.

Franz isnt getting traded. Some people are overreacting over his last game. He's legit, and the only way I would think about trading him is in a package for a superstar.

[Slim Charless]

I'm just saying the numbers are what they are and the Magic would be foolish to discard Franz for some notion of a second star to pair with Banchero. Franz is the real deal.

Maybe I jumped into the wrong conversation...Totally agree about Franz. They fit together.

Franz isnt getting traded. Some people are overreacting over his last game. He's legit, and the only way I would think about trading him is in a package for a superstar.

You say that now. He's gonna be wanting a 40+ million dollar deal. He worth that rookie max? Also, not just his last game. His 3% is way down and ppg is as well.

He's a good player though.

[Residual-Heat]

Maybe I jumped into the wrong conversation...Totally agree about Franz. They fit together.

Franz isnt getting traded. Some people are overreacting over his last game. He's legit, and the only way I would think about trading him is in a package for a superstar.

You say that now. He's gonna be wanting a 40+ million dollar deal. He worth that rookie max? Also, not just his last game. His 3% is way down and ppg is as well.

He's a good player though.

Yes, Franz still has all-star potenital and im not worried about his 3pt shooting too much given what ive seen the first two years. His PPG is not down, it has improved every year and he averaged nearly 20 PPG this season. His APG, RPG and 2pt% have all improved. Just need to get that 3pt% back to 35+% and he's a 22-4-5 player on 50%FG, 35%3pt and 85 FT% and like near 60%TS with good defense.

[Slim Charless]

Franz isnt getting traded. Some people are overreacting over his last game. He's legit, and the only way I would think about trading him is in a package for a superstar.

You say that now. He's gonna be wanting a 40+ million dollar deal. He worth that rookie max? Also, not just his last game. His 3% is way down and ppg is as well.

He's a good player though.

Yes, Franz still has all-star potenital and im not worried about his 3pt shooting too much given what ive seen the first two years. His PPG is not down, it has improved every year and he averaged nearly 20 PPG this season. His APG, RPG and 2pt% have all improved. Just need to get that 3pt% back to 35+% and he's a 22-4-5 player on 50%FG, 35%3pt and 85 FT% and like near 60%TS with good defense.

You didn't answer the question. Are you fine with him getting a rookie max and taking up the amt of the cap that he will?

I'm not. If I was a ORL fan at least.

[BK_2020]

You say that now. He's gonna be wanting a 40+ million dollar deal. He worth that rookie max? Also, not just his last game. His 3% is way down and ppg is as well.

He's a good player though.

Yes, Franz still has all-star potenital and im not worried about his 3pt shooting too much given what ive seen the first two years. His PPG is not down, it has improved every year and he averaged nearly 20 PPG this season. His APG, RPG and 2pt% have all improved. Just need to get that 3pt% back to 35+% and he's a 22-4-5 player on 50%FG, 35%3pt and 85 FT% and like near 60%TS with good defense.

You didn't answer the question. Are you fine with him getting a rookie max and taking up the amt of the cap that he will?

I'm not. If I was a ORL fan at least.

Franz Wagner is their best player.

[Slim Charless]

Yes, Franz still has all-star potenital and im not worried about his 3pt shooting too much given what ive seen the first two years. His PPG is not down, it has improved every year and he averaged nearly 20 PPG this season. His APG, RPG and 2pt% have all improved. Just need to get that 3pt% back to 35+% and he's a 22-4-5 player on 50%FG, 35%3pt and 85 FT% and like near 60%TS with good defense.

You didn't answer the question. Are you fine with him getting a rookie max and taking up the amt of the cap that he will?

I'm not. If I was a ORL fan at least.

Franz Wagner is their best player.

So you'd trade Paulo over him?

[orlando_joe]

You say that now. He's gonna be wanting a 40+ million dollar deal. He worth that rookie max? Also, not just his last game. His 3% is way down and ppg is as well.

He's a good player though.

Yes, Franz still has all-star potenital and im not worried about his 3pt shooting too much given what ive seen the first two years. His PPG is not down, it has improved every year and he averaged nearly 20 PPG this season. His APG, RPG and 2pt% have all improved. Just need to get that 3pt% back to 35+% and he's a 22-4-5 player on 50%FG, 35%3pt and 85 FT% and like near 60%TS with good defense.

You didn't answer the question. Are you fine with him getting a rookie max and taking up the amt of the cap that he will?

I'm not. If I was a ORL fan at least.

are you fine paying beal 2x the rookie max?
yes fine paying franz ...rookie contract ext are still somewhat on potential he has it in spades a solid 2-way 6"10 player no problem
magic went 7 games in first rd with no real vets ..suns went...with...

[orlando_joe]

You didn't answer the question. Are you fine with him getting a rookie max and taking up the amt of the cap that he will?

I'm not. If I was a ORL fan at least.

Franz Wagner is their best player.

So you'd trade Paulo over him?

not to jump in why would magic trade franz or paolo? they fit great?

[Residual-Heat]

You say that now. He's gonna be wanting a 40+ million dollar deal. He worth that rookie max? Also, not just his last game. His 3% is way down and ppg is as well.

He's a good player though.

Yes, Franz still has all-star potenital and im not worried about his 3pt shooting too much given what ive seen the first two years. His PPG is not down, it has improved every year and he averaged nearly 20 PPG this season. His APG, RPG and 2pt% have all improved. Just need to get that 3pt% back to 35+% and he's a 22-4-5 player on 50%FG, 35%3pt and 85 FT% and like near 60%TS with good defense.

You didn't answer the question. Are you fine with him getting a rookie max and taking up the amt of the cap that he will?

I'm not. If I was a ORL fan at least.

Would i give him a max extension right now? No, there's no need to. Id try to negotiate, and if both sides cant agree, they will both wait and revisit this next off-season.

I'm pretty sure he wont be shooting 29% from 3 for the rest of his career. If they dont extend him this off-season, he will likely get a max next off-season and yes I would match.

I can definitely see both sides agreeing this off-season to a less than max extension though, especially if the FO makes it clear they will try to keep him and Mo together. We'll see.

[tiderulz]

You say that now. He's gonna be wanting a 40+ million dollar deal. He worth that rookie max? Also, not just his last game. His 3% is way down and ppg is as well.

He's a good player though.

Yes, Franz still has all-star potenital and im not worried about his 3pt shooting too much given what ive seen the first two years. His PPG is not down, it has improved every year and he averaged nearly 20 PPG this season. His APG, RPG and 2pt% have all improved. Just need to get that 3pt% back to 35+% and he's a 22-4-5 player on 50%FG, 35%3pt and 85 FT% and like near 60%TS with good defense.

You didn't answer the question. Are you fine with him getting a rookie max and taking up the amt of the cap that he will?

I'm not. If I was a ORL fan at least.

all players want the max, not all get it.

[tiderulz]

Yes, Franz still has all-star potenital and im not worried about his 3pt shooting too much given what ive seen the first two years. His PPG is not down, it has improved every year and he averaged nearly 20 PPG this season. His APG, RPG and 2pt% have all improved. Just need to get that 3pt% back to 35+% and he's a 22-4-5 player on 50%FG, 35%3pt and 85 FT% and like near 60%TS with good defense.

You didn't answer the question. Are you fine with him getting a rookie max and taking up the amt of the cap that he will?

I'm not. If I was a ORL fan at least.

Franz Wagner is their best player.

he isnt, though your dislike of Paolo is noted

[Nyce_1]

You say that now. He's gonna be wanting a 40+ million dollar deal. He worth that rookie max? Also, not just his last game. His 3% is way down and ppg is as well.

He's a good player though.

Yes, Franz still has all-star potenital and im not worried about his 3pt shooting too much given what ive seen the first two years. His PPG is not down, it has improved every year and he averaged nearly 20 PPG this season. His APG, RPG and 2pt% have all improved. Just need to get that 3pt% back to 35+% and he's a 22-4-5 player on 50%FG, 35%3pt and 85 FT% and like near 60%TS with good defense.

You didn't answer the question. Are you fine with him getting a rookie max and taking up the amt of the cap that he will?

I'm not. If I was a ORL fan at least.

I'm perfectly fine with him getting maxed out.

[Slim Charless]

Yes, Franz still has all-star potenital and im not worried about his 3pt shooting too much given what ive seen the first two years. His PPG is not down, it has improved every year and he averaged nearly 20 PPG this season. His APG, RPG and 2pt% have all improved. Just need to get that 3pt% back to 35+% and he's a 22-4-5 player on 50%FG, 35%3pt and 85 FT% and like near 60%TS with good defense.

You didn't answer the question. Are you fine with him getting a rookie max and taking up the amt of the cap that he will?

I'm not. If I was a ORL fan at least.

are you fine paying beal 2x the rookie max?
yes fine paying franz ...rookie contract ext are still somewhat on potential he has it in spades a solid 2-way 6"10 player no problem
magic went 7 games in first rd with no real vets ..suns went...with...

Someone is a little sensitive huh?

Well, to answer your question, no I'm not a fan of Beal's deal. He fits into the conversation here as what happens when you pay players what they're not worth.

[orlando_joe]

You didn't answer the question. Are you fine with him getting a rookie max and taking up the amt of the cap that he will?

I'm not. If I was a ORL fan at least.

are you fine paying beal 2x the rookie max?
yes fine paying franz ...rookie contract ext are still somewhat on potential he has it in spades a solid 2-way 6"10 player no problem
magic went 7 games in first rd with no real vets ..suns went...with...

Someone is a little sensitive huh?

Well, to answer your question, no I'm not a fan of Beal's deal. He fits into the conversation here as what happens when you pay players what they're not worth.

so with a straight face saying if franz hits ufa some team wont offer him rookie max? really thats your line? and if offered magic should not match ? and do sign and trade ? or just give him up? trade him now? really?
or you want him on suns? lol

[Slim Charless]

are you fine paying beal 2x the rookie max?
yes fine paying franz ...rookie contract ext are still somewhat on potential he has it in spades a solid 2-way 6"10 player no problem
magic went 7 games in first rd with no real vets ..suns went...with...

Someone is a little sensitive huh?

Well, to answer your question, no I'm not a fan of Beal's deal. He fits into the conversation here as what happens when you pay players what they're not worth.

so with a straight face saying if franz hits ufa some team wont offer him rookie max? really thats your line? and if offered magic should not match ? and do sign and trade ? or just give him up? trade him now? really?
or you want him on suns? lol

I'd trade him. Now. Probably to CLV for Garland. But any true PG would work. Not paying that guy the max lol.

[orlando_joe]

Someone is a little sensitive huh?

Well, to answer your question, no I'm not a fan of Beal's deal. He fits into the conversation here as what happens when you pay players what they're not worth.

so with a straight face saying if franz hits ufa some team wont offer him rookie max? really thats your line? and if offered magic should not match ? and do sign and trade ? or just give him up? trade him now? really?
or you want him on suns? lol

I'd trade him. Now. Probably to CLV for Garland. But any true PG would work. Not paying that guy the max lol.

to each his own would pay franz max over garland max...magic keep there player..pg is much easier to get
whats your number? what if he signs under max ..

[Slim Charless]

so with a straight face saying if franz hits ufa some team wont offer him rookie max? really thats your line? and if offered magic should not match ? and do sign and trade ? or just give him up? trade him now? really?
or you want him on suns? lol

I'd trade him. Now. Probably to CLV for Garland. But any true PG would work. Not paying that guy the max lol.

to each his own would pay franz max over garland max...magic keep there player..pg is much easier to get
whats your number? what if he signs under max ..

Doesn't matter what I sign him to. He'll ask for, and get a max. Does he deserve it? Is that money better spent somewhere else-an actual hole in the line-up? Do he and Paulo have overlapping skills, and if so, which one is better?

Those are better questions.

I think it's smarter to put that money to a PG, but as you said to each his own. Maybe Black will be the guy at that position.

[NYG]

Hawks get:
Mikal Bridges

Nets get:
Jett Howard
A.J. Griffin
10th Overall Draft Pick
18th Overall Draft Pick
2025 Unprotected Orlando Magic First Round Draft Pick
2025 Top 5 Protected Denver Nuggets First Round Draft Pick

Magic get:
Dejounte Murray
Clint Capela

[orlando_joe]

Hawks get:
Mikal Bridges

Nets get:
Jett Howard
A.J. Griffin
10th Overall Draft Pick
18th Overall Draft Pick
2025 Unprotected Orlando Magic First Round Draft Pick
2025 Top 5 Protected Denver Nuggets First Round Draft Pick

Magic get:
Dejounte Murray
Clint Capela

would hope magic cut hawks out on that one take bridges

[jayjaysee]

Orlando fans have always hated it, except one fan, but I still go with using cap space to take CJM. He is on a declining contract that expires the summer Paolo gets paid and buys Black 24 months of development time. Feels pretty perfect. And probably has minimal trade value if you catch NOP at the right time..

Overpay one of Claxton (ideally) or Hartenstein and then trade WCJ for CJ and probably get a small asset back.