Brainstorm Challenge: Jaden Springer and 30

[brackdan70]

The Celtics have a pretty full roster returning for next season and will almost certainly be operating over the second apron.
They might be looking to trade out of the first round.
I wonder if there would be any win win deals out there for Jaden Springer and pick 30.
Jaden will make 4.018 million next year, so the Celtics must take back less in salary since they are over the 2nd Apron.
He is probably the 10th or 11th guy on the roster for the Cs but has elite defensive ability but needs to improve on the offensive end.
I assume if the Cs did trade him they would want a player they can play in big game minutes that could crack the rotation.
I am guessing they are high on Springer since they traded for him.
Any trades for Jaden Springer and 30?

[babyjax13]

32 and Omer Yurtseven? Maybe add cash or a future second? I think he can play 8-10 minutes in a playoff game and give you some rebounding & be enough of a threat that he isn't unplayable, but he's obviously nothing special.

[HartfordWhalers]

32 and Omer Yurtseven? Maybe add cash or a future second? I think he can play 8-10 minutes in a playoff game and give you some rebounding & be enough of a threat that he isn't unplayable, but he's obviously nothing special.

I have him unplayable. But maybe I'm wrong, he did somehow return pick 41.
However, he is a career ~20% 3 point shooter with 0 play making skills, and not enough size to guard classic forwards, which makes him just more of a last 30 seconds of a half defensive specialist until his game can show any sign of growing.

[babyjax13]

32 and Omer Yurtseven? Maybe add cash or a future second? I think he can play 8-10 minutes in a playoff game and give you some rebounding & be enough of a threat that he isn't unplayable, but he's obviously nothing special.

I have him unplayable. But maybe I'm wrong, he did somehow return pick 41.
However, he is a career ~20% 3 point shooter with 0 play making skills, and not enough size to guard classic forwards, which makes him just more of a last 30 seconds of a half defensive specialist until his game can show any sign of growing.

Sorry, I meant that Omer can be playable for a few minutes in a playoff game, not Springer! I did really like Springer in the draft, though, and he is still younger than many players that will go in the second round so I'm pretty happy to get a look at him in our development system.

[SkyHook]

32 and Omer Yurtseven? Maybe add cash or a future second? I think he can play 8-10 minutes in a playoff game and give you some rebounding & be enough of a threat that he isn't unplayable, but he's obviously nothing special.

Unless there's someone amazing available at 30 who won't be at 32, then I think that I'd rather keep Yurtseven than take on Springer.

[brackdan70]

32 and Omer Yurtseven? Maybe add cash or a future second? I think he can play 8-10 minutes in a playoff game and give you some rebounding & be enough of a threat that he isn't unplayable, but he's obviously nothing special.

That’s interesting. For the Cs I don’t know that Omer would get minutes ver Kornet or Tillman or even Queta, assuming they sign one or both of Kornet/ Tillman.
That’s likely the type of deal though. The swap of 30 to 32 makes it intriguing though for the Cs adding more flexibility with what they can do with the player they draft.

[babyjax13]

32 and Omer Yurtseven? Maybe add cash or a future second? I think he can play 8-10 minutes in a playoff game and give you some rebounding & be enough of a threat that he isn't unplayable, but he's obviously nothing special.

Unless there's someone amazing available at 30 who won't be at 32, then I think that I'd rather keep Yurtseven than take on Springer.

I think if you have the cap space every team should prefer the contract structure of a first round pick.

[brackdan70]

32 and Omer Yurtseven? Maybe add cash or a future second? I think he can play 8-10 minutes in a playoff game and give you some rebounding & be enough of a threat that he isn't unplayable, but he's obviously nothing special.

Unless there's someone amazing available at 30 who won't be at 32, then I think that I'd rather keep Yurtseven than take on Springer.

I think if you have the cap space every team should prefer the contract structure of a first round pick.

I think I agree if you have the space but you can still sign a 2rp for 4 years and also have the 2 way option. Just more flexibility. Pick number 32 would likely not do a 2 way though.

[SkyHook]

32 and Omer Yurtseven? Maybe add cash or a future second? I think he can play 8-10 minutes in a playoff game and give you some rebounding & be enough of a threat that he isn't unplayable, but he's obviously nothing special.

Unless there's someone amazing available at 30 who won't be at 32, then I think that I'd rather keep Yurtseven than take on Springer.

I think if you have the cap space every team should prefer the contract structure of a first round pick.

Jazz will be operating (way) below the cap and could do a similarly structured 2+1+1 contract though, right? Might still be cheaper along with Yurt than Springer's 24-25 money by itself.

[HartfordWhalers]

Jazz will be operating (way) below the cap and could do a similarly structured 2+1+1 contract though, right?

No. If you have a 2nd rounder cheap for 4 years he is unrestricted. If you have a 1st roun der cheap for 4 years he is restricted. Big contract difference. You either need to have restricted free agency a full year early (and then the larger salaries and sooner to next contract etc, or you need to give up control and just have a 2nd rounder enter unrestricted free agency.

[Texas Chuck]

Pick 30 is unquestionably better than 32 and I wouldn't have Yurtseven as a factor in me deciding which pick I want(30 duh). I mean Dallas picked Jalen Brunson with pick 31 and completely messed that up. Imagine if he was only pick 30.....

[daoneandonly]

Pick 30 is unquestionably better than 32 and I wouldn't have Yurtseven as a factor in me deciding which pick I want(30 duh). I mean Dallas picked Jalen Brunson with pick 31 and completely messed that up. Imagine if he was only pick 30.....

Brunson was 33; Two years later Dallas picked Tyrell terry 31 however

[Colbinii]

Troy Brown Jr
Amir Coffey
Dante Exum
Kris Murray
Torrey Craig
Drew Eubanks

These are all players who make less than Springer.

[Texas Chuck]

Troy Brown Jr
Amir Coffey
Dante Exum
Kris Murray
Torrey Craig
Drew Eubanks

These are all players who make less than Springer.

Yeah I'm keeping 30 if this is the cream of the crop. You can simply sign this level of player for the minimum and surely Boston can do at least average in the min market considering how good they are plus the cache of being the Boston Celtics.

[brackdan70]

Troy Brown Jr
Amir Coffey
Dante Exum
Kris Murray
Torrey Craig
Drew Eubanks

These are all players who make less than Springer.

Yeah I'm keeping 30 if this is the cream of the crop. You can simply sign this level of player for the minimum and surely Boston can do at least average in the min market considering how good they are plus the cache of being the Boston Celtics.

Yeah not much interest there with those guys I don’t think.
There are also recent draft picks like Noah Clowney and Nikola Jovic which probably have more value than Springer and 30. I don’t see many players which fit (my) needs. Including some pick movement could make something work.
Celtics might be best off keeping both Springer and the Pick, but wanted to see if there were some ideas out there.

[jayjaysee]

If you like and believe in Springer, you have to keep him. The second apron means you need all the depth you believe in.

I think I’d trade 30th for a mid second and a couple future seconds. Not the sexiest deal, but just getting ready for the 3-4 year run over the apron..

[brackdan70]

Troy Brown Jr
Amir Coffey
Dante Exum
Kris Murray
Torrey Craig
Drew Eubanks

These are all players who make less than Springer.

Some of those guys might make sense in a straight swap. Adding 30 seems too much.
I was hoping to shoot higher lol, but options are limited.

[brackdan70]

If you like and believe in Springer, you have to keep him. The second apron means you need all the depth you believe in.

I think I’d trade 30th for a mid second and a couple future seconds. Not the sexiest deal, but just getting ready for the 3-4 year run over the apron..

Like yes, believe…maybe.
I agree swapping 30 for a couple seconds might make sense.

[babyjax13]

Troy Brown Jr
Amir Coffey
Dante Exum
Kris Murray
Torrey Craig
Drew Eubanks

These are all players who make less than Springer.

I like Eubanks, but Phoenix can't take back more salary than they send. Neither can the Clippers unless things go disasterously wrong in free agency, and it would be difficult for the Mavericks. I also don't see Portland moving Murray for the last pick in the first round when they just drafted him. This shows how hard the exercise is!

A few others that may be interesting (also keeping Craig on this list), some of which may require Boston to add?

Torrey Craig
AJ Griffin
Santi Aldama
Jake LaRavia
Julian Champaigne
Marcus Sasser
Delano Banton (irony)

[brackdan70]

Troy Brown Jr
Amir Coffey
Dante Exum
Kris Murray
Torrey Craig
Drew Eubanks

These are all players who make less than Springer.

I like Eubanks, but Phoenix can't take back more salary than they send. Neither can the Clippers unless things go disasterously wrong in free agency, and it would be difficult for the Mavericks. I also don't see Portland moving Murray for the last pick in the first round when they just drafted him. This shows how hard the exercise is!

A few others that may be interesting (also keeping Craig on this list), some of which may require Boston to add?

Torrey Craig
AJ Griffin
Santi Aldama
Jake LaRavia
Julian Champaigne
Marcus Sasser
Delano Banton (irony)

Stevens has to give back his executive of the year award if he trade that package to get Banton back lol.
Aladama is really intriguing….boston needs to add value though…what?