Hawks find Trae's Co-Star

BK_2020 · Post #1 » by **BK_2020** » Mon May 13, 2024 5:37 pm

Hawks send the 1st overall, Dejounte and Capela to Milwaukee
Milwaukee send Giannis to Boston
Boston send Jaylen Brown, 2024 FRP to Atlanta. 2026 FRP, 2028 Swap and 2028 FRP to Milwaukee

Why for Atlanta - Per Shams, Trae Young has indicated that he will ask out if the Hawks do not use the #1 pick for an immediate upgrade. Hawks decide to get a stud All-NBA wing to surround Trae. Trae + Jaylen Brown + Jalen Johnson is a formidable trio. Bonus for Jaylen being from Atlanta.

Why for Milwaukee. After winning the one lucky COVID ring in 2021 the Bucks have really disappointed, losing in the 1st round twice in a row. They gave it a go this season, getting Dame and three new headcoaches, but did not get anywhere. They decide to give up on their aging core and instead of tanking for years to get a top 3 pick shortcut the process and get one right away. Dame and Dejounte can keep things interesting while they develop their bluechip rookie or they can be flipped for more future assets.

Why for Boston. Whether they win the ring this season or not, Jaylen Brown will want to leave. He is a franchise player who has long wanted to lead his own team, and his style of play often clashed with Tatum. Celtics send Jaylen Brown to be the face of Atlanta Hawks while replacing him with a star that allows Tatum to play up. Tatum - Giannis - Porzingis frontcourt can be special and well worth the cost of Brown and multiple picks.

Why Atlanta doesn't trade for Giannis? The premise reasonably assumes that Giannis has a shortlist of teams and Atlanta is not one of them.

A rare trade where everyone wins.

TheBrooklynKidd · Post #2 » by **TheBrooklynKidd** » Mon May 13, 2024 5:39 pm

A very clear and obvious no from Milwaukee.

RiotPunch · Post #3 » by **RiotPunch** » Mon May 13, 2024 5:44 pm

BK_2020 wrote:Why for Milwaukee. After winning the one lucky COVID ring in 2021.

Atrocious take, atrocious premise & return for Milwaukee.

Even in a universe where the Bucks consider trading Giannis, it would never be to the Boston Celtics. OKC would be the likely spot with their bank of assets.

BK_2020 · Post #4 » by **BK_2020** » Mon May 13, 2024 5:48 pm

RiotPunch wrote:
BK_2020 wrote:Why for Milwaukee. After winning the one lucky COVID ring in 2021.

Atrocious take, atrocious premise & return for Milwaukee.

Even in a universe where the Bucks consider trading Giannis, it would never be to the Boston Celtics. OKC would be the likely spot with their bank of assets.

Getting a first overall pick RIGHT NOW is much better than getting 8 future picks that'll all end up outside the top 10. Not to mention all the other assets they get on top of that.

Post #5 » by **Snakebites** » Mon May 13, 2024 5:49 pm

“Hawks find Trae a co-star”, but the trade involves Giannis going to another team, with Jaylen Brown being the co-Star.

Talk about burying the lead.

Godaddycurse · Post #6 » by **Godaddycurse** » Mon May 13, 2024 5:52 pm

Atlanta cut out boston if giannis was available

TheBrooklynKidd · Post #7 » by **TheBrooklynKidd** » Mon May 13, 2024 5:53 pm

BK_2020 wrote:
RiotPunch wrote:
BK_2020 wrote:Why for Milwaukee. After winning the one lucky COVID ring in 2021.

Atrocious take, atrocious premise & return for Milwaukee.

Even in a universe where the Bucks consider trading Giannis, it would never be to the Boston Celtics. OKC would be the likely spot with their bank of assets.

Getting a first overall pick RIGHT NOW is much better than getting 8 future picks that'll all end up outside the top 10. Not to mention all the other assets they get on top of that.

Not in this draft.

Not for Giannis.

BK_2020 · Post #8 » by **BK_2020** » Mon May 13, 2024 5:59 pm

TheBrooklynKidd wrote:
BK_2020 wrote:
RiotPunch wrote:

Atrocious take, atrocious premise & return for Milwaukee.

Even in a universe where the Bucks consider trading Giannis, it would never be to the Boston Celtics. OKC would be the likely spot with their bank of assets.

Getting a first overall pick RIGHT NOW is much better than getting 8 future picks that'll all end up outside the top 10. Not to mention all the other assets they get on top of that.

Not in this draft.

Not for Giannis.

1st overall is still better than a bunch of future picks. What % chance would you give the Rockets of getting a first overall pick from the KD trade? or the Jazz getting a first overall from the Mitchell trade? Every year they have to hope their pick gets in the lotto and probably has less than 10% chance each year even if they do.

jakecronus8 · Post #9 » by **jakecronus8** » Mon May 13, 2024 6:04 pm

Wicked good crack in bean town apparently

Post #10 » by **Texas Chuck** » Mon May 13, 2024 6:08 pm

jakecronus8 wrote:Wicked good crack in bean town apparently

Nope. I get this OP misled everyone with the thread. And his typical response to other posters is along these veins. But don't sink to his level.

JRoy · Post #11 » by **JRoy** » Mon May 13, 2024 6:13 pm

So damn bad for MIL.

I guess maybe if MIL really loved a guy at #1 and had moves to send Lillard and KM out for rebuilding assets.

BK_2020 · Post #12 » by **BK_2020** » Mon May 13, 2024 6:26 pm

Everyone keeps saying it's bad for Milwaukee but compare it to the typical star trades.
PG13 = SGA who was an unknown mid lotto guy, 3 future FRPs and 2 swaps from LAC none of which was close to 1st overall, and 2 picks from Miami also bad. Had to hit on SGA turning into a star, a very low chance event.
Harden to Nets = 3 picks and 4 swaps, one has become a 3rd overall thanks to Brooklyn pick hitting on a 20% chance.
KD to Suns = Mikal and Cam Johnson, a number of picks that again has low chance of being 1st overall.

1st overall is separated by at least another lottery pick from the 3rd overall. You guys really overestimate quantity.

tcheco · Post #13 » by **tcheco** » Mon May 13, 2024 6:33 pm

LOL boston is cut in 2 seconds in this trade

Post #14 » by **Texas Chuck** » Mon May 13, 2024 6:33 pm

Ignores they traded for PG to also get Kawhi
Ignores Harden demanded out and to Brooklyn
Ignores KD demanded out, was past his prime, and wanted the Suns specifically

But still tries to justify his team getting the 2nd best player in the world for very cheap.

BK_2020 · Post #15 » by **BK_2020** » Mon May 13, 2024 6:38 pm

I think Milwaukee finds itself in a spot at least as desperate as LAC or the Rockets or the Nets when they made the trades. They lost in the 1st round two years in a row, winning a total of 3 playoff games in 2 years. Dame will be 34, Lopez 36, Middleton 33. They've all been injury-prone.

Post #16 » by **Texas Chuck** » Mon May 13, 2024 6:42 pm

Most teams with an MVP level player don't feel super desperate especially they lost in large part to said MVP level player not playing.

But if we conceded they were desperate and thought the solution was to trade the guy who makes them relevant for a mystery future, there are teams with way better offers that would be made. I mean OKC just says we are keeping SGA/Chet but start picking prospects/picks that you want.

hugepatsfan · Post #17 » by **hugepatsfan** » Mon May 13, 2024 6:43 pm

The value of 1st overall vs. third overall is dependent on the draft board, not just the pick slot. There have been years where the #3 pick was more valuable than this year's #1.

With that in mind, the ATL part of your deal is probably fair. Murray is a very good player but plays a well-stock position league wide and even though he made it one time, probably a sub all star player going forward. Brown isn't a franchise #1 or anything, but plays a more valuable position and is borderline all NBA type vs borderline all star. Capela is a quality player, but in a deal like this he's realistically not much more than salary filler. So Murray/#1/Capela for Brown passes the sniff test. Maybe ATL some value kickback for Capela vs. treating him like straight salary filler, but workable.

The deal falls apart when you try to expand for Giannis. The same reason why it's conceivable that ATL would send the #1 pick out for a borderline all NBA but not "truly elite" player like Brown is the same reason why it's an underwhelming centerpiece return for Giannis.

If you want to play the hypothetical game where Giannis demands out with 3 years left on his deal, has a short list of preferred destinations that includes BOS, MIL (out of loyalty) agrees to work only with his preferred list, and MIL is more in love with a prospect in this class than the general public... then I guess you could MAYBE talk yourself into this. The #1 pick this year, a very quality player in Murray and owning a team's future draft board isn't exactly nothing. But other teams could definitely beat it, even some teams that are good enough to be on Giannis' "list". And then there's the issue of MIL even agreeing to deal in the first place with 3 years left.

raleigh · Post #18 » by **raleigh** » Mon May 13, 2024 6:53 pm

Per Shams, Trae Young has indicated that he will ask out if the Hawks do not use the #1 pick for an immediate upgrade.

This is inaccurate. Here's the actual video of what Shams said:

Read on Twitter

jayjaysee · Post #19 » by **jayjaysee** » Mon May 13, 2024 7:01 pm

ignoring the bad value for Milwaukee..

There’s no way Atlanta doesn’t add the Sac first and their own 2029 first and cut Boston out.

Boston needs to add a lot... Like I don’t think KP is enough, so probably White? I’m not sure. But it’s far off.

Clipsz 4 Life · Post #20 » by **Tim Lehrbach** » Mon May 13, 2024 10:10 pm

BK_2020 wrote:Why for Milwaukee. [...] They decide to give up on their aging core...

by giving up their 29-year-old MVP candidate and keeping 33-year-old Lillard and 32-year-old Middleton, at least one of whom (Lillard) is in far more obvious decline than Giannis and would be an extremely disgruntled tank commander?

No way.