Indy fire sale

rich31 · Post #1 » by **rich31** » Wed Jan 9, 2008 4:33 am

Time to rebuild INDY

Want - expiring contracts, draft picks, young players.

to be traded.
JO, Mike Dun, Murphy, Foster, Harrison, Rush, Diener, Tinsley, Graham, owens, daniels

Cant touch
Danny, Williams, Ike

Oomph · Post #2 » by **Oomph** » Wed Jan 9, 2008 4:38 am

JO, Murphy and perhaps Tinsley are the only ones that should go in a rebuilding process. The other players I like to keep.

WarFan · Post #3 » by **WarFan** » Wed Jan 9, 2008 1:52 pm

Thought I'd give a shot at blowing up the Pacers after that debacle in Utah, so I've got four trades here.

1st trade:

Ind sends: Tinsley, Daniels, Owens
Ind gets: Redick, Dooling, Arroyo, Garrity

Orl sends: Redick, Dooling, Arroyo, Garrity
Orl gets: Tinsley, Daniels, Owens

2nd trade:

Ind sends: O'Neal, Rush, Graham
Ind gets: Thomas, Sefolosha, Dixon, Nesterovic, Lotto protected 1st

Chi sends: Wallace, Thomas, Sefolosha
Chi gets: O'Neal, Rush, Humphries

Tor sends: Dixon, Nesterovic, Humphries, Lotto protected 1st
Tor gets: Wallace, Graham

3rd trade:

Ind sends: Murphy, Diogu, Williams
Ind gets: Scola, James, Snyder, Lotto protected 1st

Hou sends: Scola, James, Snyder, Lotto protected 1st
Hou gets: Murphy, Diogu, Williams

4th trade:
Ind sends: Foster, Diener, Harrison
Ind gets: Brown, Crittendon

LAL sends: Brown, Crittendon
LAL gets: Foster, Diener, Harrison

The New Indian Pacers Lineup:
Arroyo/Crittendon/Dooling/James
Dunleavy/Redick/Dixon/Sefolosha
Granger/Snyder/Garrity
Scola/Thomas
Brown/Nesterovic

Arroyo, Dooling, Dixon, Snyder, Garrity and Brown all expire leaving the Pacers with 38.4 million going to 9 players. Let's say that one Hou or Tor makes the playoffs, giving the Pacers an extra mid 1st round pick.

Next Year's Lineup:
Crittendon/James
HIGH PICK/Redick/Sefolosha
Granger/Dunleavy
Scola/Thomas
FA/MID PICK/Nesterovic

2 1sts (I'd hope for Gordon and Hardin), a 2nd and a couple small FA's leaves the Pacers with about 10-max to offer a FA, personally I'd try for Biedrins or Okafor at about 5/60.

Post #4 » by **VintaGe36** » Wed Jan 9, 2008 2:02 pm

That HOU deal is HORRIBLE for IND.

By the way, LAL wont give up Crit to turn Brown into Foster.

I Doubt ORL take on THAT MUCH salary for Tinsley and Daniels, they need frontcourt depth IIRC.

Post #5 » by **nate33** » Wed Jan 9, 2008 2:10 pm

Orlando definitely declines that first trade.

WarFan · Post #6 » by **WarFan** » Wed Jan 9, 2008 2:18 pm

How about we switch the places of Diogu and Owens in the trades.

Orl gets: Tinsley, Daniels, Diogu
Orl sends: Arroyo, Dooling, Redick, Garrity

Hou gets: Murphy, Williams, Owens
Hou sends: James, Scola, Snyder, Lotto Protected 1st

Better?

shrink · Post #7 » by **shrink** » Wed Jan 9, 2008 2:26 pm

Let me get this out of the way, since its in every thread that uses the word "Fire Sale":

ANTI-FIRESALE POSTER1: "You said "Fire Sale!" <Our Team> is not having a Fire Sale!

ANTI-FIRESALE POSTER 2: That's right! We're in a good position. What we have is very valuable because <insert lame explanation>, and we can afford to wait for a great offer.

POSTER FROM ANOTHER TEAM: But your team is going in the wrong direction, and its costing them a fortune!

ANTI-FIRESALE POSTER1: Our owner is rich, and money is irrelevant, so we'll only do a deal if its a great offer for us.

POSTER FROM ANOTHER TEAM: Your mama wears army boots!

ANTI-FIRESALE POSTER1: Sez you!

etc, etc.

Post #8 » by **nate33** » Wed Jan 9, 2008 2:29 pm

Getting a little cynical there, Shrink?

LOL

coolweed · Post #9 » by **coolweed** » Wed Jan 9, 2008 2:38 pm

We should just take a laker offer of Odom, Brown, Turiaff for O'Neal and Murphy.

Lakers get what they are wanting in O'neal and keeping Bynum, but have to take Murphy in order to do it.

Pacers get more all around player in Odom, expiring Brown and cheap backup in Turiaff.

JNichols42887 · Post #10 » by **JNichols42887** » Wed Jan 9, 2008 2:48 pm

Both sides might do a Jason Williams, Ricky Davis, Udonis Haslem, future 1st for Jermaine O'Neal trade.

celtspacers · Post #11 » by **celtspacers** » Wed Jan 9, 2008 3:05 pm

I would be fine with a fire sale as long as the Pacers keep JO. Everyone else can go. And take the coach with them.

zong · Post #12 » by **zong** » Wed Jan 9, 2008 3:49 pm

Toronto wants Foster (wayyy overdue), Dixon + Delfino + Future 2nd?

Post #13 » by **Scoot McGroot** » Wed Jan 9, 2008 4:19 pm

zong wrote:Toronto wants Foster (wayyy overdue), Dixon + Delfino + Future 2nd?

Eh, I'd rather just take complete crap players on expiring contracts and get a 1st out of it.

A 2nd rounder is really not a lot of incentive to lose a really good contract and a much better player.

zong · Post #14 » by **zong** » Wed Jan 9, 2008 5:12 pm

i understand, its just that the title stated "fire sale" and i quickly threw a couple of actually productive expiring role players

CableKC · Post #15 » by **CableKC** » Wed Jan 9, 2008 7:04 pm

celtspacers wrote:I would be fine with a fire sale as long as the Pacers keep JO. Everyone else can go. And take the coach with them.

Isn't it proper etiquette on RealGM to post in "green" when you make a joke? :nonono:

ahartleyvu · Post #16 » by **ahartleyvu** » Wed Jan 9, 2008 8:01 pm

Troy Murphy
- can be had for little value
- no equally or worse contracts
- he is a decent player though and just losing a year off the contract isn't a big deal if the returning player is horrible

Mike Dunleavy
- good player, just not quite worth his contract
- definitely no returning bad contracts

Jermaine O'Neal
- there is a chance he will opt out so trading him for only expirings would be pointless
- need a player with a high ceiling
- need at least a decent player right away
- picks would be nice

Jamaal Tinsley
- plays great but is inconsistent and injured too much

I think we either trade Murphy to a team in dire need of a big (Orlando) or package him with O'Neal.

But if we are trading those two, we need to get rid of Tinsley + Dunleavy as well. They are valuable players, just with big contracts, so getting NOTHING in return would really hurt our team IMO.

So we have to get some sort of value, somewhere or another.

celtspacers · Post #17 » by **celtspacers** » Wed Jan 9, 2008 8:29 pm

That was not a joke.

Smooth32 · Post #18 » by **Smooth32** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 1:29 am

Donyell Marshall
Ira Newble
Shannon Brown

for

Stephen Graham
Troy Murphy

xxSnEaKyPxx · Post #19 » by **xxSnEaKyPxx** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 2:29 am

Smooth32 wrote:Donyell Marshall
Ira Newble
Shannon Brown

for

Stephen Graham
Troy Murphy

Would the Cavs do that?

I don't know much about those contracts, but I think Marshall and Brown would be nice players for us.

If their contracts aren't terrible, I don't understand why the Cavs would do this? I imagine Z and Gooden would still start, Murphy would be a very expensive backup. I do think Murphy would play very well off of Z, but again, he wouldn't start over Gooden. Unless I'm missing something.

Smooth32 · Post #20 » by **Smooth32** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 3:23 am

Heck yea! At least I would..

Brown and Newble are expiring, but Marshall is declining...

I'd take Murphy's production and contract over Marshall's...

I added Brown and Graham, because I didn't think a Newble-Marshall deal for Murphy would seem fair for Pacer Fans...