Knicks 3 team trade on draft day

Jsun947 · Post #1 » by **Jsun947** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 7:56 pm

Trade would be made in the offseason durring/prior to the draft and based upon the result of the Knicks drafting Derrick Rose to replace Marbury at PG.

New York Outgoing: Marbury, Malik Rose, & Balkman
New York Incoming: Ron Artest, Raef Lafrentz (12 mil expiring), Darius Miles

Portland Outgoing: Raef Lafrentz, Darius Miles. Jarret Jack, 2008 1st round pick
Portland Incoming: Marbury (Buy out).

Sacramento Outgoing: Ron Artest
Sacramento Incoming: Malik Rose (expiring), Jarret Jack, Balkman, Portland's 2008 1st round pick

Thoughts?

Post #2 » by **Mr. E** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 8:04 pm

Could you explain your reasoning for Portland to do this? I must be missing something here. I'm seeing two bad contracts for one bad contract, which could make sense, but then throwing in Jack and a first? That's where I'm confused.

Also, just because Portland bought out Francis, I don't think that makes them the destination spot for contract buyouts.

#1knickfan · Post #3 » by **#1knickfan** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 8:04 pm

Portland gives up 2 much considering Lafrenz is a large expiring contract himself next season. If they are allowed to give up less it would negate any reason Sacremento has to make this deal. As it stands its a deal even offical Kings homer Smills91 would be crazy to turn down but I wouldn't put it past him.

As for the Knicks, I'm on the fence. I don't know if Artest is worth giving up roughly 15 million dollars of expiring contracts plus Balkman while taking on Miles.

HotSpurs21 · Post #4 » by **HotSpurs21** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 8:05 pm

Jack and 1st round pick to get rid of Miles? I'd say it's fair

Bac2Basics · Post #5 » by **Bac2Basics** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 8:09 pm

Sacramento's only possible reason for taking Malik Rose would be to switch him for Kenny Thomas, but if Balkman is switched for Lee, Sacramento might consider it anyway.

Jsun947 · Post #6 » by **Jsun947** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 8:12 pm

Miles cost the Blazers 9 million dollars in 09/10. Thats when they want to be huge players in the FA.

Rudy Fernandez is supposed to come over next year which puts their active roster at 16 players not including the 4 draft picks they own this year. Rudy would be playing the SG off the bench role which Jack is currently occupying. In theory that makes Jack somewhat expendable.

Portland would be paying 12 mil to Lafrentz and 9 mil to Miles who really arn't going to play anyway. Paul Allen is going to have to pay someone 20 million dollars one way or the other. Might as well be smart about it...

Knicks fan. The only additional contracts the Knicks are only taking on an additional 9 million dollars in throughout the entire deal. You still have a 13 milllion dollar expiring contract in Raef Lafrentz too. Realistically the deal is Balkman+9 million dollars for Artest.

Jsun947 · Post #7 » by **Jsun947** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 8:13 pm

Bac2Basics wrote:Sacramento's only possible reason for taking Malik Rose would be to switch him for Kenny Thomas, but if Balkman is switched for Lee, Sacramento might consider it anyway.

Malik Rose's contract is the same as Artest. You don't take on any additional obligations. Hes an expiring.

Bac2Basics · Post #8 » by **Bac2Basics** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 8:44 pm

Malik Rose doesn't expire until after next season.

#1knickfan · Post #9 » by **#1knickfan** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 8:55 pm

Jsun947 wrote:
Knicks fan. The only additional contracts the Knicks are only taking on an additional 9 million dollars in throughout the entire deal. You still have a 13 milllion dollar expiring contract in Raef Lafrentz too. Realistically the deal is Balkman+9 million dollars for Artest.

No it isn't. Malik Rose is an 8 million dollar expiring deal next season. Stephon Marbury is a 21 million dollar expiring deal next season. Lafrenz is 12 million. The deal is essentially 17 million dollars in expiring deals +Balkman in exchange for Artest and taking on Miles contract. While we may only take on an extra 9 million dollars in the total deal only the money belonging to Artest can't be considered an albatross. So your math is all kinds of screwed up.

Post #10 » by **loserX** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 8:58 pm

Bac2Basics wrote:Malik Rose doesn't expire until after next season.

This is a draft day trade (see topic). At that point (or at least a few days later) Rose will be an expiring.

Post #11 » by **Mr. E** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 9:48 pm

Ahh...gotcha. I understand it now. One quesition, tho -would Artest have to be a sign & trade for this to work?

rpa · Post #12 » by **rpa** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 10:29 pm

Mr. E wrote:Ahh...gotcha. I understand it now. One quesition, tho -would Artest have to be a sign & trade for this to work?

...And that's why it can't be a draft day trade.

Artest either has to not exercise his opt out OR do a sign & trade. Problem is that the draft is BEFORE the deadline for opt outs (thus Artest couldn't be traded, if I remember correctly).

Bac2Basics · Post #13 » by **Bac2Basics** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 10:44 pm

Oh, sorry my mistake

Then........

I believe that Artest will be moved by the deadline so he'll be on another team when this trade is expected to happen.