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Just throwing it out there.

Love+6 for Bynum.

thaAteam wrote:

jgustav1 wrote:The Clippers would offer Kaman, Ricky Davis and a lottery protected future 1st for Bynum.

maybe its just me, but im seeing way too much being offered for bynum who hasnt done crap in this league. in this trade kaman is by far the better player, on a better contract, and the clippers throw in a pick. are u smoking dope? a bynum trade would never happen because im sure no other gm in the league feels about bynum the way lakers brass do. and the trade about bosh is just laughable. two bynums wouldnt be worth bosh.

You need to visit a couple more internet Clipper boards if you think the majority of Clipper fans think Kaman is better than Bynum. In head to head matchups the last couple of seasons, it hasn't been close - Bynum has clearly outplayed him.

jgustav1 wrote:

thaAteam wrote:

jgustav1 wrote:The Clippers would offer Kaman, Ricky Davis and a lottery protected future 1st for Bynum.

maybe its just me, but im seeing way too much being offered for bynum who hasnt done crap in this league. in this trade kaman is by far the better player, on a better contract, and the clippers throw in a pick. are u smoking dope? a bynum trade would never happen because im sure no other gm in the league feels about bynum the way lakers brass do. and the trade about bosh is just laughable. two bynums wouldnt be worth bosh.

You need to visit a couple more internet Clipper boards if you think the majority of Clipper fans think Kaman is better than Bynum. In head to head matchups the last couple of seasons, it hasn't been close - Bynum has clearly outplayed him.

basketball is a team game, look what the clippers run out versus the lakers, its easy for bynum to have a better game because he doesnt have to work as hard. that doesnt make him a better player, bynum is a scrub sinple and plain

thaAteam wrote:basketball is a team game, look what the clippers run out versus the lakers, its easy for bynum to have a better game because he doesnt have to work as hard. that doesnt make him a better player, bynum is a scrub sinple and plain

Whoah Bynum is a scrub? "Sig"able.

*And I'm NO WHERE NEAR as high on Bynum as most people are.

Bynum is not a scrub. He has been hurt a couple of times(both on fluke plays) and it takes bigs longer to recover than the little guys(especially when it is a leg injury) but people seem to forget that for a five game stretch before he got hurt he was averaging 27pts and 14 boards. Not too many of the bigs currently in the league do that once a year let alone in 5 straight games. He is what he is, a 21 yr old big who still has a ton of potential but hasn't put it all together yet consistantly. Kinda reminds me of Jermaine O'Neal. His third yr people were calling him a bust. After his fourth year he signed a max contract and became a perennial all star until injuries derailed his career.

Being greedy, or maybe just opportunistic, and by that I mean the young notSonics core is going to stay together, how about this...

Nick Collison, Thabo Sefolosha, 2009 #23 & the better of the notSonics & Suns 2010 1st round pick (top 3 protected) for Andrew Bynum & Adam Morrison.

The Lakers get two solid, hi bball IQ veterans that will help them win now as well as a couple of picks for the future. Not to mention the $8.7M reduction in 2010 salary (really $17.3M considering the tax) which can be used to resign Odom & Ariza.

What do you think Laker faithfull & other knowledgable commentators?

qclakers wrote:Bynum is not a scrub. He has been hurt a couple of times(both on fluke plays) and it takes bigs longer to recover than the little guys(especially when it is a leg injury) but people seem to forget that for a five game stretch before he got hurt he was averaging 27pts and 14 boards. Not too many of the bigs currently in the league do that once a year let alone in 5 straight games. He is what he is, a 21 yr old big who still has a ton of potential but hasn't put it all together yet consistantly. Kinda reminds me of Jermaine O'Neal. His third yr people were calling him a bust. After his fourth year he signed a max contract and became a perennial all star until injuries derailed his career.

5 games, wow great. what the hell did he average the other 77. every starter in the nba has had a good stretch, hell erick dampier averaged 12 and 12 for an entire year, and he was a scrub too. their are a few really good young big men in this league, but imo bynum is not one of them, he has all that talent being doubled around him, he should average 18 and 10

People here seem to think that legit 7 footers who have a big impact both on the offensive end as well as the defensive end are cheap. There is a reason why young, good bigs are rarely ever traded. That's because they are at a premium.

The basics of any Bynum deal has to have a really good, young big (unless it's a HUGE upgrade at SF) coming back to replace Andrew Bynum. So that means no Andrew Bynum for Devin Harris deals. Depending on how good the big coming back is, the other team will likely be asked to take Luke Walton's deal with Bynum. Again, depending on how good the big coming back is, a lottery pick might also be necessary.

Socks wrote:People here seem to think that legit 7 footers who have a big impact both on the offensive end as well as the defensive end are cheap. There is a reason why young, good bigs are rarely ever traded. That's because they are at a premium.

The basics of any Bynum deal has to have a really good, young big (unless it's a HUGE upgrade at SF) coming back to replace Andrew Bynum. So that means no Andrew Bynum for Devin Harris deals. Depending on how good the big coming back is, the other team will likely be asked to take Luke Walton's deal with Bynum. Again, depending on how good the big coming back is, a lottery pick might also be necessary.

Is that what Gasol cost you guys?

5 games, wow great. what the hell did he average the other 77. every starter in the nba has had a good stretch, hell erick dampier averaged 12 and 12 for an entire year, and he was a scrub too. their are a few really good young big men in this league, but imo bynum is not one of them, he has all that talent being doubled around him, he should average 18 and 10[/quote]

In roughly 28 mins per game last year he averaged 13pts 10reb and 2.1blocks
this year in the same mins he averaged 14.3pts 8 reb and 1.8 blocks. These are not earth shattering stats but keep in mind he is at least third fiddle behind two all nba'ers in Kobe and Gasol and is not the focus of the offense at all. Oh and he would just now be finishing college. For reference in Jermaine O'Neal's fifth season in 32.6 mins he averaged 12.9pts 9.8rebs and 2.8blks. he then went on to 6 straight 20/10/2 type seasons. Bynum is bigger than JO and in his fourth season so you can see why teams will see that his potential is a very rare commodity in the league today.

gswhoops wrote:

apcoxy wrote:Andris Biedrins, Kellena Azubukie for Andrew Bynum, Luke Walton and Sasha Vujicic????

No thank you. Bynum's injury concerns scare me too much and Luke/Sasha's contracts suck.

If we did want to make a move on Bynum, we should just offer Biedrins straight up and see what they do. I doubt they get a better offer, frankly.

Bynum's injury concerns? You make him out to be Oden or Bill Walton or Yao. Bynum's injuries are because Odom's size 16's were in his landing space on a rebound and Kobe went out of control and Denver Bronco'd his knee... ridiculous, he's not fragile just wrong place wrong time, and only 21 so he should have no recovery problems.

revprodeji wrote:Just throwing it out there.

Love+6 for Bynum.

That would be considered. (UC)LA loves Love.
Bynum+Farmar (still on rookie deal)

Why would LA consider it? Saves over 8 mil next year (with the FA's and tax implications that is big no matter how much they want Bynum to be the cornerstone of the future).

Gives Minny a true young C with Al and Foye. And they don't have to take on any of the junk $5 mil contracts (Luke, Ammo, Fish etc).

qclakers wrote:5 games, wow great. what the hell did he average the other 77. every starter in the nba has had a good stretch, hell erick dampier averaged 12 and 12 for an entire year, and he was a scrub too. their are a few really good young big men in this league, but imo bynum is not one of them, he has all that talent being doubled around him, he should average 18 and 10

In roughly 28 mins per game last year he averaged 13pts 10reb and 2.1blocks
this year in the same mins he averaged 14.3pts 8 reb and 1.8 blocks. These are not earth shattering stats but keep in mind he is at least third fiddle behind two all nba'ers in Kobe and Gasol and is not the focus of the offense at all. Oh and he would just now be finishing college. For reference in Jermaine O'Neal's fifth season in 32.6 mins he averaged 12.9pts 9.8rebs and 2.8blks. he then went on to 6 straight 20/10/2 type seasons. Bynum is bigger than JO and in his fourth season so you can see why teams will see that his potential is a very rare commodity in the league today.[/quote]

maybe its just me, or shouldnt that make him a better player? with gasol being doubled and kobe being double shouldnt he have a field day for pts and offensive boards?

thaAteam wrote:maybe its just me, or shouldnt that make him a better player? with gasol being doubled and kobe being double shouldnt he have a field day for pts and offensive boards?

He's 21. He was drafted at 17. And there's also Lamar Odom to consider. The number of minutes played between Gasol and Odom create a problem. If Bynum was on a crud team he could play 38-40 mpg and develop faster but LA is in a unique position of trying to win it all now while grooming Bynum for the post-Kobe continuation.

There's a reason the Lakers have only missed the playoffs 5 times in 60 years. There's a reason the Lakers have played in the Conference Finals 63% of the time in the history of the NBA. Every time there is a transition, they methodically reconstruct the team to compete for a championship. The 29 other teams, and their fans, just do not understand this.

^Amen to that! But seriously you are right on. It took the Celtics and the Pistons years to recover once their title teams bowed out. The Lakers have always found away to shorten their rebuilding years to only a year or two before they are back in the playoffs and another couple before they are contending.

apcoxy wrote:Andris Biedrins, Kellena Azubukie for Andrew Bynum, Luke Walton and Sasha Vujicic????

HOLY CRAP.. If you're going to take VujaBrick and Fluke, I would deal that right away even though I like Bynum.

qclakers wrote:^Amen to that! But seriously you are right on. It took the Celtics, Bulls, and the Pistons years to recover once their title teams bowed out. The Lakers have always found away to shorten their rebuilding years to only a year or two before they are back in the playoffs and another couple before they are contending.

fixed ^
don't forget the Jordan-less ones

If I'm the Lakers GM heres what I would do.

1st. Get rid of Phil Jackson. Hes over payed and I'm sick of his "mind tricks". I also don't like the triangle. Kobe playing ISO / pick and roll is more effective.

2nd. Trade Lamar + Farmar + 29th pick for Kirk Hinrich and Tyrus Thomas. Hinrich is the perfect PG for the Lakers. Great defender + good shooter. TT is also good off the bench.

3rd. Sign Trevor Ariza , Shannon Brown and DJ Mbenga.

4th. Get rid of Luke Walton and Sasha Vujacic. Both players are OVER PAYED and both can't play crap. Luke is a good passer but he's contract is just bs. Sasha was a fluke and now hes taking 5m per year for 3 years. This must be the hardest thing to do. I don't think anyone willing to take them.