Help Build the Perfect Boozer Trade

[shrink]

Now that the Harpring deal has drastically cut into the Jazz' lux payments, they are "only" $4,446,757 over the lux. If they could shed that much more payroll, they'd see an extreme financial benefit:


$4,446,757
$4,446,757
$4,600,000
$13.5 mil.

$13.5 mil is a big number, so reaching this milestone would be a huge incentive for UTA. The three most likely ways to reduce salary this much would be:

1. Trade for raw cap space again .. but no team has enough cap space to do so. With a $57.7 salary cap, a $4.4 mil payment means a team would have to have a payroll under $53.3 to be able to trad.

2. Trade for an existing TPE .. few teams have one this big, and fewer still the willingness to use them.

3. Create a TPE ... always my favorite. Several teams have enough space under the lux to make a deal with the proper incentive.

Since these trades would put a team over he salary cap, a 125% + $100,000 matching rule would apply. Some simple algebra shows the total outgoing salary for UTA would need to be over $22 mil, and the salaries they take back would have to be $17.5 mil+

UTA can do this with a package of:

1. Boozer + Kirilenko ($28.8) .. but unlikely

2. Boozer + Korver + ... ($17.5 + ...?)


OK, which teams that want Boozer can hit the salary landing strip, are willing to absorb $4.4 mil in salary this year (by themselves or with the help of a third team), and can come up with a lower-talent package that still gives UTA fans hope?

[WiscoKing13]

question since coming into the season the jazz FO was perfectly fine paying the lux tax and then of course they find a pretty nice deal to save a ton of money by giving one prospect(who's spot was pretty well filled with williams).
Why the need for another salary dumb that inolves boozer?? why not just try and win it with the core group of guys you have now?

[2011Champs]

Dallas trades: Gooden/Humpries/Williams
Utah trades: Boozer

Utah: Gooden has an instantly vanishing contract if waived by Jan 10. Utah is instantly under the cap. Millsap becomes starting PF and Humphries is a good young backup PF.

Dallas: Adds needed frontcourt talent in return for giving cap relief

[WiscoKing13]

Dallas trades: Gooden/Humpries/Williams
Utah trades: Boozer

Utah: Gooden has an instantly vanishing contract if waived by Jan 10. Utah is instantly under the cap. Millsap becomes starting PF and Humphries is a good young backup PF.

Dallas: Adds needed frontcourt talent in return for giving cap relief

well done sir, again question is if its worth the money saved to take the much of a reduction in talent.

[Krapinsky]

question since coming into the season the jazz FO was perfectly fine paying the lux tax and then of course they find a pretty nice deal to save a ton of money by giving one prospect(who's spot was pretty well filled with williams).
Why the need for another salary dumb that inolves boozer?? why not just try and win it with the core group of guys you have now?

I think its pretty clear the Jazz aren't going to win it this year. Getting beaten by the T-Wolves twice surely isn't a good sign. They probably don't want to resign Boozer due to finances, injury concerns, and Milsap, anyway. So why not trade Boozer before the deadline and save $13 million?

[heathmalc]

Cavaliers send:
Zydrunas
Hickson
Karl
Jawad Williams
2010 1st
cash(for buyout of Z)
Cavaliers get:
Korver
Boozer

Jazz send:
Korver
Boozer
Jazz Get:
Zydrunas
Hickson
Karl
Jawad Williams
2010 1st
cash(for buyout of Z)


Why:


Jazz: Utah saves 4.5 million right off the bat, plus an additional 1.47 million by cutting Jawad + Karl by Jan 10. They save an additional 3.85 million by buying out Z (Part of season is over, so if the remainder of season is bought out at 50%, they save this money). The Cavaliers send 3 million in trade (Max allowed by CBA), so in essense that is another 3 million saved/earned from trade.

Jazz basically get: Nearly 13 million in savings/earnings (8.35Million removed from cap); a 21 year old PF with a high ceiling; another 1st round pick in 2010.

Cavaliers: Another Front-court player with experience in the post-season...even if he becomes a rental. They also end-up getting Z back, and will have an extra roster spot for a FA signing if they need it.

[loserX]

Dallas trades: Gooden/Humpries/Williams
Utah trades: Boozer

Utah: Gooden has an instantly vanishing contract if waived by Jan 10. Utah is instantly under the cap. Millsap becomes starting PF and Humphries is a good young backup PF.

Dallas: Adds needed frontcourt talent in return for giving cap relief

Well, it gets the money part done...but we had Humphries before and traded him for Rafael Araujo, so that tells you our opinion of him. And Shawne Williams is not the kind of guy that Utah likes having around. Concept starts out okay, the actual pieces not so much. (And I do think the Jazz FO will want some piece they can show off as a trophy for trading their 20/10 PF...that's not Humphries even if we did like him.)

[loserX]

Jazz: Utah saves 4.5 million right off the bat, plus an additional 1.47 million by cutting Jawad + Karl by Jan 10. They save an additional 3.85 million by buying out Z (Part of season is over, so if the remainder of season is bought out at 50%, they save this money). The Cavaliers send 3 million in trade (Max allowed by CBA), so in essense that is another 3 million saved/earned from trade.

We don't exactly save money off the bat because Z has a 15% trade kicker. If he agrees to a very cheap buyout we might indeed get under the tax...will believe that when I see it, though. This isn't altogether bad.

[heathmalc]

If Z were traded, Gilbert would probably assure him that he would be repaid when he came back for any loss he took on the buyout. Also, Z if one of the most loyal guys in sports. He'd do whatever he could to help the team out...including a cheap buyout.

[heathmalc]

Also the 15% TK is negated by the money the Cavaliers send.....easily negated.

[why22]

Cavaliers send:
Zydrunas
Hickson
Karl
Jawad Williams
2010 1st
cash(for buyout of Z)
Cavaliers get:
Korver
Boozer

Jazz send:
Korver
Boozer
Jazz Get:
Zydrunas
Hickson
Karl
Jawad Williams
2010 1st
cash(for buyout of Z)


Why:


Jazz: Utah saves 4.5 million right off the bat, plus an additional 1.47 million by cutting Jawad + Karl by Jan 10. They save an additional 3.85 million by buying out Z (Part of season is over, so if the remainder of season is bought out at 50%, they save this money). The Cavaliers send 3 million in trade (Max allowed by CBA), so in essense that is another 3 million saved/earned from trade.

Jazz basically get: Nearly 13 million in savings/earnings (8.35Million removed from cap); a 21 year old PF with a high ceiling; another 1st round pick in 2010.

Cavaliers: Another Front-court player with experience in the post-season...even if he becomes a rental. They also end-up getting Z back, and will have an extra roster spot for a FA signing if they need it.

pretty smart heath. kudos. however i dont think hickson is nessary. the cavs f.o loves him don think hel go in a boozer rental. good ideas all round though

[loserX]

Another possibility:

Jazz trade
Carlos Boozer
cash

Jazz receive
Udonis Haslem
1st rd pick

The Jazz move Boozer, get under the tax (which allows them to throw some money around) and gets a pick to keep.

Heat trade
Udonis Haslem
Dorrell Wright
one of the two 1st rd picks they have this year

Heat receive
Carlos Boozer

The Heat make a show of faith, getting an all-star calibre upgrade for a playoff charge. Giving up a pick hurts, but they still have another to keep...that might or might not be an acceptable price to avoid another season ending badly. They get a trial run with Boozer out of it as well; they will have the inside track on re-signing him if Bosh goes elsewhere.

Nets or Clippers trade
capspace

Nets or Clippers receive
Dorrell Wright
cash

Each of these teams has a TPE big enough to absorb Wright straight up. They get a free look at a young-ish SF, and might make a few bucks out of it besides. Both teams will have capspace next year so their TPEs will probably get outright renounced anyway...might as well make a little cash out of it now.

The question is obviously Miami...would they give up a pick (presumably a late one) to make a run this season? They still get TO's pick and it doesn't affect their 2010 plan one iota if they don't want it to. Something to consider, I guess.

[NetsForce]

^ Nets would have to waive someone... ^

[Master Shake]

Tayshaun Prince for Boozer, straight up. Or Hamilton... some 2nds could be included, as could Summers.

Oh and if you want Maxiell, take him.

[heathmalc]

Tayshaun Prince for Boozer, straight up. Or Hamilton... some 2nds could be included, as could Summers.

Oh and if you want Maxiell, take him.

Doesn't get Utah under the cap, and they take on additional years in contract...plus they trade a big for a small. No incentive for Utah to do this...even with a bunch of 2nd round picks included.

[sendai91]

The Cleveland trade is pretty solid all the way around. Hickson is a decent prospect, the 1st rd pick never hurts and the $ work out great. IMHO, Boozer's post game would be enough to push Cleveland past the Magic and the Celtics and maybe the Lakers. Korver's three pt range wouldn't hurt either. Very good trade.

[heathmalc]

Cavaliers get:
Boozer
Craig Smith
3.3M TPE from Clippers
Cavs send out:
Zydrunas Ilgauskas
Jawad Williams
Cash
2010 1st

Utah gets:
Chris Kaman
Al Thorton
Jawad Williams
Zydrunas Ilgauskas
Cash (from Cavs for buyout)
Cavs 2010 1st
Utah sends out:
AK47
Boozer
Knicks 2010 1st

Clippers get:
AK47
Knicks 2010 1st round pick
Clippers send out:
Al Thorton
Kaman
3.3M TPE

WHY:

Clippers: Clippers have a very crowded front-court, and Kaman is almost impossible to trade right now. This deal gets them a SF who isn't old, and can play 3 positions, and is a good defender. It also brings them an extra chance at winning the 2010 lottery (Assuming NY doesn't get 8th seed in East).

Utah: The Jazz immediately save 5 million dollars. Then after the buyout, they save/earn up to 6million more. Kaman brings them a Center who can pound the ball down low, moving Okur to the Bench. However the Jazz will have the option of trading Okur to a couple teams that are desperate for a center. Jazz trade off NY's pick, and get the Cavaliers' pick. This difference in picks will save them about 3 million next season. In addition, they save 7 million from next season, and from 2012 from trading AK47, who will be replaced by a young Thorton, who is a good player, and still has more upside.

Cavaliers: Smith is just filler, but he was promising at one time. And it never hurts to have extra bigs. Boozer could be a rental, but even if he is, they would S&T him, and still get something out of him, because there is no way Boozer signs with ANY team for less than 6 years, in what will be his last big contract. That alone makes the Cavs a favorite to re-sign him. Cavs take on extra salary this season, but lose nearly 40 million after this season, so Boozer is easily integrated into the financial side, and on the court, Boozer already knows our style, as he played here before going to Utah, and very little has changed since then, except the talent has gotten much better.

[shrink]

I like the CLE trade too, because they can clear additional cap space if Zyd is willing to take a bigger buy-out. Hickson needs to be in the deal, not because I think he is great, but because the Jazz front office needs to have someone to point towards so it doesn't look like an owner just being cheap.

One question -- is there still any bitterness from the Cavs or Boozer over how they parted ways last time?

[shrink]

Dallas trades: Gooden/Humpries/Williams
Utah trades: Boozer

Utah: Gooden has an instantly vanishing contract if waived by Jan 10. Utah is instantly under the cap. Millsap becomes starting PF and Humphries is a good young backup PF.

Dallas: Adds needed frontcourt talent in return for giving cap relief

Using Boozer's partially guaranteed deal is a good way to reduce the size of the trade, but UTA needs to get something worthwhile back, or else they'll find another team to trade Boozer to.

[old rem]

Cavaliers send:
Zydrunas
Hickson
Karl
Jawad Williams
2010 1st
cash(for buyout of Z)
Cavaliers get:
Korver
Boozer

Jazz send:
Korver
Boozer
Jazz Get:
Zydrunas
Hickson
Karl
Jawad Williams
2010 1st
cash(for buyout of Z)


Why:


Jazz: Utah saves 4.5 million right off the bat, plus an additional 1.47 million by cutting Jawad + Karl by Jan 10. They save an additional 3.85 million by buying out Z (Part of season is over, so if the remainder of season is bought out at 50%, they save this money). The Cavaliers send 3 million in trade (Max allowed by CBA), so in essense that is another 3 million saved/earned from trade.

Jazz basically get: Nearly 13 million in savings/earnings (8.35Million removed from cap); a 21 year old PF with a high ceiling; another 1st round pick in 2010.

Cavaliers: Another Front-court player with experience in the post-season...even if he becomes a rental. They also end-up getting Z back, and will have an extra roster spot for a FA signing if they need it.

pretty smart heath. kudos. however i dont think hickson is nessary. the cavs f.o loves him don think hel go in a boozer rental. good ideas all round though

Minus Hickson,there's no incentive here for Utah beyond trimming a few $. Worth note...buying out a guy does not erase him from the cap. The buyout/send back thing is technically against the rules to the extent that no binding agreements for such deals can be done. Minus that guarantee,it's a lot like the handshake agreement the Cavs once had with Boozer. Ironic?