3ammy3uck3ts wrote:IceColdCubano wrote:3ammy3uck3ts wrote:Tanking is not and has not ever been the answer. What is the most recent championship won by a tanking team? Im genuinely curious
Doesn’t really matter where you draft as long as you hit on your picks. We hit on Bam, Jaime and Jovic seem to be solid hits but we’ll see with more time if that’s the case, Herro hasn’t impacted winning. Picking Maxey over Precious could’ve been the game changer in us winning a championship tbh but you also can’t hit on them all. You need to draft good and you need to be able to attract elite talent, we have done both but now we have to capitalize on the elite talent that wants to join the team.
It doens't work that way, your oversimplifying what tanking is to prove a point. Nuggets were bad at some point and drafted their main guys and eventually put pieces around them and they won a chip. San Antonio of the 2000's, Golden State, Lakers 2000's, Miami, Cleveland all were bad, got top talent then as their stars seasoned, they went and made trades and built championship cores.
The only team that are outliers like you say Were Miami Heat in Big Three Era but they had the foundation in Dwade whom was drafted. Lebron Lakers in the Bubble acquiring AD & Lebron through trades, Boston Ray Allen, Paul Pierce, Rondo, Kevin Garnett, again they had the foundation piece in Paul Pierce.
You could say there are way more teams, that got a top tier top 5 player in the draft went a few years, built around that foundation players, made some trades and won chips or multiple chips.
What your not going to do is, tank one year, get a top 3 pick, get a premier superstar, go wreck the league in 1-2 years. No thats not how that works, those teams take 4-6 years to build to that level.
Just go out and say it, the truth is Miami Heat will not sacrifice the next 4-5 Years to build into another era, during Pat Riley's last years. When he steps down, whenever that is, that's when Miami may decide to go that route if at all. After Jimmy is gone, their going mid fiddle around Bam and try and stay competitive by going for older superstars whom ask out with only 3-4 years of shelf life remaining.
We’ve hit on draft picks though, regardless of where they were drafted we have at least 3 guys who are top 5 from their draft (Herro is up in the air I can’t remember his class) and we have a star in Jimmy. This team hasn’t needed to wipe the slate clean and tank, this team has simply needed to add an all star 3 level scorer and to a lesser extent a good frontcourt partner at the 4 or 5 whether a starter or backup for Bam and they have had several opportunities to do both but have simply refused to do it for several reasons but the main being the overvaluing of Herro year after year
My point wasn't about hitting on draft picks, My point was in regards to the original comment, of why can't we an SGA or Ant to build around them. You can get top 5 guys from draft class with a lucky pick but if that guy isn't Top 10 NBA player level a true #1A on a team then were talking about 2 different things. I agree that we needed to upgrade key spots around Jimmy, that's on the FO always going for the whale that never comes, and miss out on the smaller talent that gets picked up by the rest of the league. Their all in on top player has not paid dividends in free agency or the trade market because its all in for them never looking at the little guy or the backup, they think they can fill those roles with undrafted talent. They have definitely overvalued Herro, and Unfortunately that man has been injured at so many key points, Miami has never really gotten a full understanding of what they have until just now. However they have dangled him on every big whale they sniff, unfortunately other teams don't value him. Now were at the crux end of the Jimmy era, that going all in may be deemed detrimental, we don't own our draft picks after this upcoming draft outside of 2029 & 2030. Which is why it puts us in a bad spot, that Going all in for Jimmy's last hurrah can completely cripple the franchise in assets moving forward. Which is why knowing this FO, their not pulling any triggers on the bigger whales even if available were going to settle with meh build here for the next 2-3 years.
