Miami Heat Offseason Thread vol. 1: Post Mortem

[AirP.]

And Herro to the Pels somehow for 17 as well. Add all the guys weve been talking about. Putem in the program and hope dor the best.

Danny Ainge blew up the Celtics for top lottery picks.

Heat going to do it for mid teen picks

Quite depressing.

You trade stars for top end talent. We're good with developing/finding mid rotation players, what's hard to add are stars. Those aren't usually found outside the the lottery.

Building a team around OK rotation players without any blue cheap talent is what gets you to be this year's Nets.

Sure, so start acquiring picks/assets down the road to be able to trade up when the FO identifies who they think should be a #1 option and trade up to get that player. There's a good number of stars that have fallen out of the top 10 and I would have to believe those types of draft picks could be acquired by Miami sending multiple assets for. To me this seems like one of the better ways for Miami to take shots as higher-level talent in the long run. Miami can continue to try to win each year and still have the ability to get good young talent.

The FO should always be looking to find a young #1 option, for instance, if they identify someone in this year's draft (although a weak draft) they should look to swap upwards while adding assets like Jovic, Jaquez Jr or a later 1st. Miami's always going to have a 1st rounder every other year, might as well start taking some swings.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Philly pick trade package with 50 million salary relief

2024- Pick 16 selected then traded

2026- 1st rd unprotected

2027- 2nd rd pick

2028- 2nd rd pick

2029- 1st rd unprotected

2030- 2nd rd pick

[IceColdCubano]

Philly pick trade package with 50 million salary relief

2024- Pick 16 selected then traded

2026- 1st rd unprotected

2027- 2nd rd pick

2028- 2nd rd pick

2029- 1st rd unprotected

2030- 2nd rd pick

Looks good to me, you can trade on draft night Picks 15 +16 for another team, and attached Herro/Duncan to get you some quality player like Donovan Mitchell.

[MiamiSun]

Would that be enough cap space to sign Mitchell?

A big 3 of:

Bam
Mitchell
Tyler

Interesting. Especially if we are able to keep Jovic and Jaquez.

Philly pick trade package with 50 million salary relief

2024- Pick 16 selected then traded

2026- 1st rd unprotected

2027- 2nd rd pick

2028- 2nd rd pick

2029- 1st rd unprotected

2030- 2nd rd pick

[carnageta]

Jimmy Butler isn't getting traded unless he goes into Riley's office, locks eyes with him, and says "trade me, you're nothing without me!".

If that doesn't happen then Butler isn't getting traded.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Philly pick trade package with 50 million salary relief

2024- Pick 16 selected then traded

2026- 1st rd unprotected

2027- 2nd rd pick

2028- 2nd rd pick

2029- 1st rd unprotected

2030- 2nd rd pick

Looks good to me, you can trade on draft night Picks 15 +16 for another team, and attached Herro/Duncan to get you some quality player like Donovan Mitchell.

I don't think the Donovan Mitchell trade is going to happen anywhere near close to draft night. Cavs are going to play a little hard ball at first. Brandon Ingram on the other hand will be a different story.

[_GH0ST_]

Although I like his game, it seems his teammates get tired of him rather quickly and that causes team issues. Tim MacMahon who reports on the Mavs talked about problems in Dallas with Williams on multiple The Hoop Collective podcasts. It could work in Miami since they're more into openly talking to each other on the court but who knows.

I can't speak to the accuracy of that. AFAIK, there weren't any issues in Boston. I think those issues might have been specific to Dallas?

At any rate, Miami has a history -- specifically Riley -- of dealing with "problematic" players and getting them to toe the line. And I don't think Williams has the baggage some of those players had, but again I don't know to what extent Williams has had issues elsewhere. If it is limited to Dallas, I'd take it with a grain of salt.

No, there were issues in Boston also. He wears on teammates, but this may be something Miami would embrace. He's very talkative and very opinionated, maybe like Butler but without the BBIQ and talent behind it (you'll take more **** from a talented player than a guy off the bench).

Have to say, it's probably a bad idea to start chirping to the other team's #1 option to get them even more into the game and I'm sure they saw a lot of that off the court with teammates. Once again, Miami may embrace that since they like their players to be open and honest.

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[MettaWorldPanda]

Would that be enough cap space to sign Mitchell?

A big 3 of:

Bam
Mitchell
Tyler

Interesting. Especially if we are able to keep Jovic and Jaquez.

Philly pick trade package with 50 million salary relief

2024- Pick 16 selected then traded

2026- 1st rd unprotected

2027- 2nd rd pick

2028- 2nd rd pick

2029- 1st rd unprotected

2030- 2nd rd pick

Mitchell still has another year on his deal

[Lennyzinho]

Philly pick trade package with 50 million salary relief

2024- Pick 16 selected then traded

2026- 1st rd unprotected

2027- 2nd rd pick

2028- 2nd rd pick

2029- 1st rd unprotected

2030- 2nd rd pick

Would that be enough cap space to sign Mitchell?

A big 3 of:

Bam
Mitchell
Tyler

Interesting. Especially if we are able to keep Jovic and Jaquez.

We aren't trading Jimmy. But in this scenario, there's no shot we aren't sending Herro to CLE as part of the package or he's not being sent for Ingram or Jerami Grant or something else.
It would be incredibly redundant to keep Rozier Donovan Herro Duncan JRich Delon on this team for guards and our front court depth is JJJ Haywood Jovic Bam? ... Not to mention the pissing contest that would ensue with Herro and Donovan. I don't think it would be good for the locker room either.

In this dreamland scenario, the lineup needs to be Donovan Duncan Ingram Jovic Bam with Rozier Jrich JJJ rookie Love off the bench.

Donovan and Tyler cannot co-exist imo.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Philly pick trade package with 50 million salary relief

2024- Pick 16 selected then traded

2026- 1st rd unprotected

2027- 2nd rd pick

2028- 2nd rd pick

2029- 1st rd unprotected

2030- 2nd rd pick

Would that be enough cap space to sign Mitchell?

A big 3 of:

Bam
Mitchell
Tyler

Interesting. Especially if we are able to keep Jovic and Jaquez.

We aren't trading Jimmy. But in this scenario, there's no shot we aren't sending Herro to CLE as part of the package or he's not being sent for Ingram or Jerami Grant or something else.
It would be incredibly redundant to keep Rozier Donovan Herro Duncan JRich Delon on this team for guards and our front court depth is JJJ Haywood Jovic Bam? ... Not to mention the pissing contest that would ensue with Herro and Donovan. I don't think it would be good for the locker room either.

In this dreamland scenario, the lineup needs to be Donovan Duncan Ingram Jovic Bam with Rozier Jrich JJJ rookie Love off the bench.

Donovan and Tyler cannot co-exist imo.

I got Herro gone in the Ingram trade.

[MiamiSun]

starting lineup of:

Donavan
Bam
Tyler
JJJ
Jovic

Duncan
Caleb


Butler to Sixers for cap space and picks
Donavan to Miami for Rozier and picks (from Philly)

Fill out the roster with size. Duncan comes back in form or trade him as an expiring contract to someone tanking at the trade deadline.

If everyone plays 70+ games, I think we have a 45-50 win team, and 4 or 5 seed in the playoffs.

Pretty good for the 1st year of the Donovan/Bam build.

[MiamiSun]

Philly pick trade package with 50 million salary relief

2024- Pick 16 selected then traded

2026- 1st rd unprotected

2027- 2nd rd pick

2028- 2nd rd pick

2029- 1st rd unprotected

2030- 2nd rd pick

Would that be enough cap space to sign Mitchell?

A big 3 of:

Bam
Mitchell
Tyler

Interesting. Especially if we are able to keep Jovic and Jaquez.

We aren't trading Jimmy. But in this scenario, there's no shot we aren't sending Herro to CLE as part of the package or he's not being sent for Ingram or Jerami Grant or something else.
It would be incredibly redundant to keep Rozier Donovan Herro Duncan JRich Delon on this team for guards and our front court depth is JJJ Haywood Jovic Bam? ... Not to mention the pissing contest that would ensue with Herro and Donovan. I don't think it would be good for the locker room either.

In this dreamland scenario, the lineup needs to be Donovan Duncan Ingram Jovic Bam with Rozier Jrich JJJ rookie Love off the bench.

Donovan and Tyler cannot co-exist imo.

I got Herro gone in the Ingram trade.

I am going to revise my thoughts and put Herro as the 6th man. With Bam, Jovic, JJJ, Donovan and Duncan as starters.

[MettaWorldPanda]

We aren't trading Jimmy. But in this scenario, there's no shot we aren't sending Herro to CLE as part of the package or he's not being sent for Ingram or Jerami Grant or something else.
It would be incredibly redundant to keep Rozier Donovan Herro Duncan JRich Delon on this team for guards and our front court depth is JJJ Haywood Jovic Bam? ... Not to mention the pissing contest that would ensue with Herro and Donovan. I don't think it would be good for the locker room either.

In this dreamland scenario, the lineup needs to be Donovan Duncan Ingram Jovic Bam with Rozier Jrich JJJ rookie Love off the bench.

Donovan and Tyler cannot co-exist imo.

I got Herro gone in the Ingram trade.

I am going to revise my thoughts and put Herro as the 6th man. With Bam, Jovic, JJJ, Donovan and Duncan as starters.

Herro is not gonna want any part of that world. He’s going to get traded wether it be for Mitchell or Ingram and vice versa with Rozier either going to Pels for Ingram or Cavs. This is going to be a soft tear down to build around Bam and the youth.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Herro is out of here for sure, I’m on my hands and knees praying several times a day

[IceColdCubano]

Would that be enough cap space to sign Mitchell?

A big 3 of:

Bam
Mitchell
Tyler

Interesting. Especially if we are able to keep Jovic and Jaquez.

Philly pick trade package with 50 million salary relief

2024- Pick 16 selected then traded

2026- 1st rd unprotected

2027- 2nd rd pick

2028- 2nd rd pick

2029- 1st rd unprotected

2030- 2nd rd pick

Mitchell still has another year on his deal

He has a player option on his last year. If he decides to bypass it, this upcoming season is his last one.

[IceColdCubano]

We aren't trading Jimmy. But in this scenario, there's no shot we aren't sending Herro to CLE as part of the package or he's not being sent for Ingram or Jerami Grant or something else.
It would be incredibly redundant to keep Rozier Donovan Herro Duncan JRich Delon on this team for guards and our front court depth is JJJ Haywood Jovic Bam? ... Not to mention the pissing contest that would ensue with Herro and Donovan. I don't think it would be good for the locker room either.

In this dreamland scenario, the lineup needs to be Donovan Duncan Ingram Jovic Bam with Rozier Jrich JJJ rookie Love off the bench.

Donovan and Tyler cannot co-exist imo.

I got Herro gone in the Ingram trade.

I am going to revise my thoughts and put Herro as the 6th man. With Bam, Jovic, JJJ, Donovan and Duncan as starters.

Putting Herro as a 6th man at this point in time with the Front office pushing so hard for him to be a lead guard would be absolutely detrimental to whatever value he has left and any confidence that he may still think about himself. He could potentially turn into poopoo platter 6th man just going through the motions if that played out that way, forcing you to do a mid season trade at an even lower return.

[IceColdCubano]

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[SoFlaKingReal]

Riley's “obstacles” quote came during his 2019 postseason media session, weeks ahead of finding a way to land Butler in the void of cap space, when he said, “There's no obstacles. Well, there are tons of them, but there's none.”

[IceColdCubano]

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