**NBA Draft Discussion 2024**

[lastb1ckman]

After looking at Kolek and Nunez, I really like the idea of drafting an actual PG. Our best offensive years always come when we have an actual PG. And in this case, we don't have to worry about him getting old or being expensive like Dragic and Lowry.

[lastb1ckman]

And tbh, Kolek and Nunez are better passers at their age than Dragic or Lowry were.

[DayofMourning]

And tbh, Kolek and Nunez are better passers at their age than Dragic or Lowry were.

Tell me bout Nunez, LB.

[Wiltside]

After looking at Kolek and Nunez, I really like the idea of drafting an actual PG. Our best offensive years always come when we have an actual PG. And in this case, we don't have to worry about him getting old or being expensive like Dragic and Lowry.

Kolek looks nice. The McConnell x Dragic comp is apt. Looks like he has nice touch, surprisingly quick first step and an ability to get into the paint and finish through length.

Haven’t seen enough vision on his jumper to know how that looks. Lefty stroke looks nice, but not sure on the off the bounce and spot up percentages.

[twix2500]

George shot looks good, everything else looks like its years away. Making him stronger with better handles could break his shot.

Assuming JJJ/Jovic are your 2 guards/SM forward or sf/pf We really need another powerful PF or 2 guard that can get to the rack at will while also being able to shoot the 3. That is where the success in the NBA is today.

I think having mismatches is where success stems.

Look at Minny. Theyve got every team beat in the post. Gobert, Towns and Naz. Thats a mismatch/advantage. Then theyve got another mismatch/advantage in Anthony Edwards. He can get his against any dude in the league.

Miami has zero advantages.

Iv been telling people that for a long time. You want to build your team and find a unique style of play that can cause mismatches for the opposing team. Copy cat other teams and try to match their style are for losers.

[lastb1ckman]

And tbh, Kolek and Nunez are better passers at their age than Dragic or Lowry were.

Tell me bout Nunez, LB.

Spanish PG, 19 years old. 6'4". Still skinny tho. Excellent passer, maybe even better than Kolek. Also surprising good at finishing at the rim. Still a below the rim athlete tho. Actively competes on defense and plays passing lanes well. Ball watches a lot, and can get lost like a lot of young guards. Also Rebounds well similar to McCain and Kolek.

His biggest flaw is his shot is very much a work in progress. Bad FT shooting for a guard, and Medicore 3 point shooting on not a crazy amount of attempts. Coupled with under the rim athleticism that doesn't obviously blow past people, I can see why he's a second round pick.

[lastb1ckman]

If we picked a big in the first round, I wouldn't mind getting Nunez in the 2nd.

[lastb1ckman]

https://youtu.be/zbw4ijxr4CE?si=9mdpNoV5NlYm57Ab

Some numbers on Kolek offense. He seems to be at elite catch and shoot, but below average at of the dribble.

[RexBoyWonder]

Come on DOM, you sure hell know this organization ain't picking in the top 3 range - not last year, not next year, not ever year.

If your plan to target a star is to wait for us to have a high lottery pick - you'll wait for **** ever.

Stars are harder to find at #15 then at top 3, but they're still there.

Maxy was #21,
Brunson was #33,
Jokic was #46,
Giannis was around #18

You won't win the lottery if you don't ever buy a ticket.

We won't ever draft a star player if every pick we'll keep going for the single hit - mature senior, with below average tools, whos ready now and will at best be a rotation player for his career.

That thinking is leaving us zero chance.

Each draft is its own animal. This one looks to be rich with high level role player talent. Take the best player who fits what you want to do and build them up.

We are going to get a good player this draft Rex. Not some hidden talent, but a quality player. And Im okay with that.

I can see the writing on the wall for the Butler, Bam, Herro build. It had its high points.

I perused the last 35 NBA champions and there is a common theme that their best player was a top draft pick by them. Only Denver and Toronto were led by guys who werent drafted in the lotto. So, 94% of the time, if you want a chip, its best youre captained by your drafted, lottery talent. You get the top talent in the draft, then you play the trade market or FA.

You forgot Giannis who was drafted outside the lottery and brought a chip to Milwaukee, And Booker also reached to finals as a non lottery pick IIRC.

I'll ask you one thing -

What's the point of collecting a bunch of good rotation players when you don't have a 1A offensive option?

When has a team full of good players with no great players have EVER done ANYTHING interesting in the playoffs?

We're heading to mediocracy, keep adding solid players with no pop or ceiling and we'll be stuck in the play-in mix year after year - no chance to advance but also no shot to get a high lottery guy to propel us.

This is a time to go ALL-IN, aim for HOME RUN type of talent - boom or bust and live with results.

If we find a star - great. If we don't, at least we might get a high pick in the next few drafts.

We can't keep playing it safe each draft, it's our only shot to add a game changer in the next few years with free agency practically dead.

I rather have 1 Maxy Or 1 Giannis (non lottery, elite tools, gamble picks) then JJJ + Jovic + Herro + Precious + **** Jared Mccain

[lastb1ckman]

Come on DOM, you sure hell know this organization ain't picking in the top 3 range - not last year, not next year, not ever year.

If your plan to target a star is to wait for us to have a high lottery pick - you'll wait for **** ever.

Stars are harder to find at #15 then at top 3, but they're still there.

Maxy was #21,
Brunson was #33,
Jokic was #46,
Giannis was around #18

You won't win the lottery if you don't ever buy a ticket.

We won't ever draft a star player if every pick we'll keep going for the single hit - mature senior, with below average tools, whos ready now and will at best be a rotation player for his career.

That thinking is leaving us zero chance.

Each draft is its own animal. This one looks to be rich with high level role player talent. Take the best player who fits what you want to do and build them up.

We are going to get a good player this draft Rex. Not some hidden talent, but a quality player. And Im okay with that.

I can see the writing on the wall for the Butler, Bam, Herro build. It had its high points.

I perused the last 35 NBA champions and there is a common theme that their best player was a top draft pick by them. Only Denver and Toronto were led by guys who werent drafted in the lotto. So, 94% of the time, if you want a chip, its best youre captained by your drafted, lottery talent. You get the top talent in the draft, then you play the trade market or FA.

You forgot Giannis who was drafted outside the lottery and brought a chip to Milwaukee, And Booker also reached to finals as a non lottery pick IIRC.

I'll ask you one thing -

What's the point of collecting a bunch of good rotation players when you don't have a 1A offensive option?

When has a team full of good players with no great players have EVER done ANYTHING interesting in the playoffs?

We're heading to mediocracy, keep adding solid players with no pop or ceiling and we'll be stuck in the play-in mix year after year - no chance to advance but also no shot to get a high lottery guy to propel us.

This is a time to go ALL-IN, aim for HOME RUN type of talent - boom or bust and live with results.

If we find a star - great. If we don't, at least we might get a high pick in the next few drafts.

We can't keep playing it safe each draft, it's our only shot to add a game changer in the next few years with free agency practically dead.

I rather have 1 Maxy Or 1 Giannis (non lottery, elite tools, gamble picks) then JJJ + Jovic + Herro + Precious + **** Jared Mccain

The problem is most players aren't Maxey or Giannis or Jokic. Those are anomaly outside of the lottery. It's far more likely the big swing outside the lottery is out of the league by 30. What you aren't looking at are all the misses these teams have besides the single hits. Most of them had years in the lottery or just happened to get very lucky one season.

Hell, I say the Heat even have a few unexpected hits already. No one expected Bam to turn into a mutliple time all star and perennial DPOY candidate. Herro, Jaquez, and Jovic have definitely outplayed their selection spot too.

[lastb1ckman]

The sixers have Embiid and Maxey as the 2 stars they have drafted right now. 2014 and 2020 draft. 6 years between them. The only break between them was Ben Simmons and he was a number 1 pick.

[lastb1ckman]

The Bucks have drafted 1 above average player since Giannis in 2013. Brogdon, and he isn't even on the team anymore and has been plagued by bad health.

[twix2500]

After looking at Kolek and Nunez, I really like the idea of drafting an actual PG. Our best offensive years always come when we have an actual PG. And in this case, we don't have to worry about him getting old or being expensive like Dragic and Lowry.

Kolek looks nice. The McConnell x Dragic comp is apt. Looks like he has nice touch, surprisingly quick first step and an ability to get into the paint and finish through length.

Haven’t seen enough vision on his jumper to know how that looks. Lefty stroke looks nice, but not sure on the off the bounce and spot up percentages.

I wouldnt compare him to dragic. I think we have old dragic still engraved in our heads. Dragic was a much better talent than McConnell. Young Dragic was a very quick and fast guard. I worry about Kolek quickness vs NBA defenses.

[twix2500]

Come on DOM, you sure hell know this organization ain't picking in the top 3 range - not last year, not next year, not ever year.

If your plan to target a star is to wait for us to have a high lottery pick - you'll wait for **** ever.

Stars are harder to find at #15 then at top 3, but they're still there.

Maxy was #21,
Brunson was #33,
Jokic was #46,
Giannis was around #18

You won't win the lottery if you don't ever buy a ticket.

We won't ever draft a star player if every pick we'll keep going for the single hit - mature senior, with below average tools, whos ready now and will at best be a rotation player for his career.

That thinking is leaving us zero chance.

Each draft is its own animal. This one looks to be rich with high level role player talent. Take the best player who fits what you want to do and build them up.

We are going to get a good player this draft Rex. Not some hidden talent, but a quality player. And Im okay with that.

I can see the writing on the wall for the Butler, Bam, Herro build. It had its high points.

I perused the last 35 NBA champions and there is a common theme that their best player was a top draft pick by them. Only Denver and Toronto were led by guys who werent drafted in the lotto. So, 94% of the time, if you want a chip, its best youre captained by your drafted, lottery talent. You get the top talent in the draft, then you play the trade market or FA.

You forgot Giannis who was drafted outside the lottery and brought a chip to Milwaukee, And Booker also reached to finals as a non lottery pick IIRC.

I'll ask you one thing -

What's the point of collecting a bunch of good rotation players when you don't have a 1A offensive option?

When has a team full of good players with no great players have EVER done ANYTHING interesting in the playoffs?

We're heading to mediocracy, keep adding solid players with no pop or ceiling and we'll be stuck in the play-in mix year after year - no chance to advance but also no shot to get a high lottery guy to propel us.

This is a time to go ALL-IN, aim for HOME RUN type of talent - boom or bust and live with results.

If we find a star - great. If we don't, at least we might get a high pick in the next few drafts.

We can't keep playing it safe each draft, it's our only shot to add a game changer in the next few years with free agency practically dead.

I rather have 1 Maxy Or 1 Giannis (non lottery, elite tools, gamble picks) then JJJ + Jovic + Herro + Precious + **** Jared Mccain

Hey rex you do not like Jovic raw talent base?

[lastb1ckman]

Each draft is its own animal. This one looks to be rich with high level role player talent. Take the best player who fits what you want to do and build them up.

We are going to get a good player this draft Rex. Not some hidden talent, but a quality player. And Im okay with that.

I can see the writing on the wall for the Butler, Bam, Herro build. It had its high points.

I perused the last 35 NBA champions and there is a common theme that their best player was a top draft pick by them. Only Denver and Toronto were led by guys who werent drafted in the lotto. So, 94% of the time, if you want a chip, its best youre captained by your drafted, lottery talent. You get the top talent in the draft, then you play the trade market or FA.

You forgot Giannis who was drafted outside the lottery and brought a chip to Milwaukee, And Booker also reached to finals as a non lottery pick IIRC.

I'll ask you one thing -

What's the point of collecting a bunch of good rotation players when you don't have a 1A offensive option?

When has a team full of good players with no great players have EVER done ANYTHING interesting in the playoffs?

We're heading to mediocracy, keep adding solid players with no pop or ceiling and we'll be stuck in the play-in mix year after year - no chance to advance but also no shot to get a high lottery guy to propel us.

This is a time to go ALL-IN, aim for HOME RUN type of talent - boom or bust and live with results.

If we find a star - great. If we don't, at least we might get a high pick in the next few drafts.

We can't keep playing it safe each draft, it's our only shot to add a game changer in the next few years with free agency practically dead.

I rather have 1 Maxy Or 1 Giannis (non lottery, elite tools, gamble picks) then JJJ + Jovic + Herro + Precious + **** Jared Mccain

Hey rex you do not like Jovic raw talent base?

Tbh, if I put up Jovic aganist Zaccharie Risacher, Ron Holland, Tidjane Salaun, and Matas Buzelis, I like his chances. He's only like a year older than them too. He's show a lot more versatility on offense and defense even when his shot isn't falling. Along with having similar physical tools.

[RexBoyWonder]

Each draft is its own animal. This one looks to be rich with high level role player talent. Take the best player who fits what you want to do and build them up.

We are going to get a good player this draft Rex. Not some hidden talent, but a quality player. And Im okay with that.

I can see the writing on the wall for the Butler, Bam, Herro build. It had its high points.

I perused the last 35 NBA champions and there is a common theme that their best player was a top draft pick by them. Only Denver and Toronto were led by guys who werent drafted in the lotto. So, 94% of the time, if you want a chip, its best youre captained by your drafted, lottery talent. You get the top talent in the draft, then you play the trade market or FA.

You forgot Giannis who was drafted outside the lottery and brought a chip to Milwaukee, And Booker also reached to finals as a non lottery pick IIRC.

I'll ask you one thing -

What's the point of collecting a bunch of good rotation players when you don't have a 1A offensive option?

When has a team full of good players with no great players have EVER done ANYTHING interesting in the playoffs?

We're heading to mediocracy, keep adding solid players with no pop or ceiling and we'll be stuck in the play-in mix year after year - no chance to advance but also no shot to get a high lottery guy to propel us.

This is a time to go ALL-IN, aim for HOME RUN type of talent - boom or bust and live with results.

If we find a star - great. If we don't, at least we might get a high pick in the next few drafts.

We can't keep playing it safe each draft, it's our only shot to add a game changer in the next few years with free agency practically dead.

I rather have 1 Maxy Or 1 Giannis (non lottery, elite tools, gamble picks) then JJJ + Jovic + Herro + Precious + **** Jared Mccain

Hey rex you do not like Jovic raw talent base?

I like Jovic more then most, I think he's the example of us breaking the habit of going for a proven ready now low ceiling guy. He wasn't ready last year but he at least MIGHT get to become something quite special.

Just went to look up our past picks From 2015 on :

Winslow - "proven" winner, low offensive talent - miss
Bam - Raw athlete - big hit
Herro - skilled shooter, very limited tools - hit (we later overpaid, but still a decent player to draft #13)
Precious - Raw athlete but small for a big - miss
Jovic - skilled big and very raw - too early too tell but looks promising, especially for #27
Jamie - skilled mature lower upside tools - looks like a hit

I guess it's kinda hard to find a pattern, we don't really seem to have a "Type" - we just seem to pick the player we like. Which is probably smart. good track record generally, with a couple of annoying misses.

I think the state of the roster should be a huge factor to consider when we're selecting.
The big 3 needed ready now, mature low upside players.

This current team need the highest upside guy available, we're not 1 good rotation guy away from contending. We HAVE TO aim high.

[lastb1ckman]

You forgot Giannis who was drafted outside the lottery and brought a chip to Milwaukee, And Booker also reached to finals as a non lottery pick IIRC.

I'll ask you one thing -

What's the point of collecting a bunch of good rotation players when you don't have a 1A offensive option?

When has a team full of good players with no great players have EVER done ANYTHING interesting in the playoffs?

We're heading to mediocracy, keep adding solid players with no pop or ceiling and we'll be stuck in the play-in mix year after year - no chance to advance but also no shot to get a high lottery guy to propel us.

This is a time to go ALL-IN, aim for HOME RUN type of talent - boom or bust and live with results.

If we find a star - great. If we don't, at least we might get a high pick in the next few drafts.

We can't keep playing it safe each draft, it's our only shot to add a game changer in the next few years with free agency practically dead.

I rather have 1 Maxy Or 1 Giannis (non lottery, elite tools, gamble picks) then JJJ + Jovic + Herro + Precious + **** Jared Mccain

Hey rex you do not like Jovic raw talent base?

I like Jovic more then most, I think he's the example of us breaking the habit of going for a proven ready now low ceiling guy. He wasn't ready last year but he at least MIGHT get to become something quite special.

Just went to look up our past picks From 2015 on :

Winslow - "proven" winner, low offensive talent - miss
Bam - Raw athlete - big hit
Herro - skilled shooter, very limited tools - hit (we later overpaid, but still a decent player to draft #13)
Precious - Raw athlete but small for a big - miss
Jovic - skilled big and very raw - too early too tell but looks promising, especially for #27
Jamie - skilled mature lower upside tools - looks like a hit

I guess it's kinda hard to find a pattern, we don't really seem to have a "Type" - we just seem to pick the player we like. Which is probably smart. good track record generally, with a couple of annoying misses.

I think the state of the roster should be a huge factor to consider when we're selecting.
The big 3 needed ready now, mature low upside players.

This current team need the highest upside guy available, we're not 1 good rotation guy away from contending. We HAVE TO aim high.

Hold up, Winslow was not the safe low ceiling pick at the time. Going into the draft he was expect to be a top 5 pick, and the fact he fell to the Heat was seen to be a steal. I remember Bill Simmons complaining that we got him like it was yesterday. He was expected to have Kawhi/Jimmy/Iguadola potential, especially after his season at Duke. He had a SLAM cover with Dwade!

[DayofMourning]

Hold up, Winslow was not the safe low ceiling pick at the time. Going into the draft he was expect to be a top 5 pick, and the fact he fell to the Heat was seen to be a steal. I remember Bill Simmons complaining that we got him like it was yesterday. He was expected to have Kawhi/Jimmy/Iguadola potential, especially after his season at Duke. He had a SLAM cover with Dwade!

Oh? Rex knows. He was Winslows most vocal enthusiast when he was drafted. Lots of CAP LOCKS were used in his reaction post.

[RexBoyWonder]

Hold up, Winslow was not the safe low ceiling pick at the time. Going into the draft he was expect to be a top 5 pick, and the fact he fell to the Heat was seen to be a steal. I remember Bill Simmons complaining that we got him like it was yesterday. He was expected to have Kawhi/Jimmy/Iguadola potential, especially after his season at Duke. He had a SLAM cover with Dwade!

Oh? Rex knows. He was Winslows most vocal enthusiast when he was drafted. Lots of CAP LOCKS were used in his reaction post.

Yup, thought we got a STEAL.

Never knew we never worked him out and that he had the shooting touch of Captain hook. Plus was weak mentally and fragile.

It was a weird draft full of lottery busts, but Myles Turner and D.Booker went right after Justice, and...we went with the safe pick and it backfired.

Turner next to Bam would've been sweet AF. Was very high on him.

At least we didn't draft Kaminsky.

[DayofMourning]

Hold up, Winslow was not the safe low ceiling pick at the time. Going into the draft he was expect to be a top 5 pick, and the fact he fell to the Heat was seen to be a steal. I remember Bill Simmons complaining that we got him like it was yesterday. He was expected to have Kawhi/Jimmy/Iguadola potential, especially after his season at Duke. He had a SLAM cover with Dwade!

Oh? Rex knows. He was Winslows most vocal enthusiast when he was drafted. Lots of CAP LOCKS were used in his reaction post.

Yup, thought we got a STEAL.

Never knew we never worked him out and that he had the shooting touch of Captain hook. Plus was weak mentally and fragile.

It was a weird draft full of lottery busts, but Myles Turner and D.Booker went right after Justice, and...we went with the safe pick and it backfired.

Turner next to Bam would've been sweet AF. Was very high on him.

At least we didn't draft Kaminsky.

Surprised you think Winslow was the safe pick. Hes pretty much what youre asking for-a boom or bust selection.