Miami Heat Offseason Thread vol. 1: Post Mortem

[3ammy3uck3ts]

No one picking Bronny in the first round. He is not even 2nd round talent.

The way to look at the pick is whether a team is willing to trade their mid to late first round pick for Lebron.

I suspect Mia would be willing to draft Bronny if it became clear that his pops intends on leaving LA.

A team may be willing to draft Brony in the second round for Lebron but they are not gonna give a first round contract to the kid.

You wouldn’t trade a 1st for 3 seasons of the GOAT?

[Bourne85]

The way to look at the pick is whether a team is willing to trade their mid to late first round pick for Lebron.

I suspect Mia would be willing to draft Bronny if it became clear that his pops intends on leaving LA.

A team may be willing to draft Brony in the second round for Lebron but they are not gonna give a first round contract to the kid.

You wouldn’t trade a 1st for 3 seasons of the GOAT?

He ain’t the goat of anything. Guy has a pathetic finals record, swept by Spurs, colluded to form the big 3, went 2-4 even while forming that team. Got constantly beat by Curry. The guy has a 4-6 finals record that should be 2-8. Saved by Bosh and Ray Allen, saved by Silver suspending Green in the finals when he was down 3-1. Have some standards, the guy is a fraud. The ONLY thing he has going for him is the steroids that keep him playing til he’s 40 and is able to stat pad until then. Never in any other sport will there be a guy that’s in “goat” conversations that constantly loses like he does.

[AirP.]

The way to look at the pick is whether a team is willing to trade their mid to late first round pick for Lebron.

I suspect Mia would be willing to draft Bronny if it became clear that his pops intends on leaving LA.

A team may be willing to draft Brony in the second round for Lebron but they are not gonna give a first round contract to the kid.

You wouldn’t trade a 1st for 3 seasons of the GOAT?

Jordan's not worth a 1st anymore.

[eddieheatfan]

A team may be willing to draft Brony in the second round for Lebron but they are not gonna give a first round contract to the kid.

You wouldn’t trade a 1st for 3 seasons of the GOAT?

He ain’t the goat of anything. Guy has a pathetic finals record, swept by Spurs, colluded to form the big 3, went 2-4 even while forming that team. Got constantly beat by Curry. The guy has a 4-6 finals record that should be 2-8. Saved by Bosh and Ray Allen, saved by Silver suspending Green in the finals when he was down 3-1. Have some standards, the guy is a fraud. The ONLY thing he has going for him is the steroids that keep him playing til he’s 40 and is able to stat pad until then. Never in any other sport will there be a guy that’s in “goat” conversations that constantly loses like he does.

[Beenie]

A team may be willing to draft Brony in the second round for Lebron but they are not gonna give a first round contract to the kid.

You wouldn’t trade a 1st for 3 seasons of the GOAT?

He ain’t the goat of anything. Guy has a pathetic finals record, swept by Spurs, colluded to form the big 3, went 2-4 even while forming that team. Got constantly beat by Curry. The guy has a 4-6 finals record that should be 2-8. Saved by Bosh and Ray Allen, saved by Silver suspending Green in the finals when he was down 3-1. Have some standards, the guy is a fraud. The ONLY thing he has going for him is the steroids that keep him playing til he’s 40 and is able to stat pad until then. Never in any other sport will there be a guy that’s in “goat” conversations that constantly loses like he does.

Mia stinks when it comes to ball protection, stinks in transition, stinks in late game situations, and are small in size n stature.

Lebron running point bolsters the team in all of these areas

I can careless if people view him as the goat

So long as he can help this team become legit title contenders, thats all that matters

[al bondiga]

Please stop it we are in 2024 and advanced stats and analytics exit ^^
Bam and Herro both were absolutely awful offensively, yeah Bam got you 22.6 ppg on 53.2% TS. He took all those contested middies (a lot early in the shot clock too)
Herro on 51% TS was awful as well, I liked his shot profile 55% of his shots were 3s and quite a few at the rim (only 20.5% at 10ft+), nice progression compared to earlier in the season, where he was taking middies too much. Still missed many shots he normally makes, very dissapointing.

All both have proove this year is that they are not a #1 option on offense at their current level. I guess Bam is excused because of his defense, but don't try to make him look like someone he is not.

What do I have to stop?

Using ppg as a metric that means anything, it matters how you get them.

It also matters WHEN you get them

[Bourne85]

You wouldn’t trade a 1st for 3 seasons of the GOAT?

He ain’t the goat of anything. Guy has a pathetic finals record, swept by Spurs, colluded to form the big 3, went 2-4 even while forming that team. Got constantly beat by Curry. The guy has a 4-6 finals record that should be 2-8. Saved by Bosh and Ray Allen, saved by Silver suspending Green in the finals when he was down 3-1. Have some standards, the guy is a fraud. The ONLY thing he has going for him is the steroids that keep him playing til he’s 40 and is able to stat pad until then. Never in any other sport will there be a guy that’s in “goat” conversations that constantly loses like he does.

Mia stinks when it comes to ball protection, stinks in transition, stinks in late game situations, and are small in size n stature.

Lebron running point bolsters the team in all of these areas

I can careless if people view him as the goat

So long as he can help this team become legit title contenders, thats all that matters

He doesn’t help. This team isn’t a contender. I don’t care that we snuck into a couple finals. We were the 8th seed last year, we were 8th seed again this season. Jimmy sucked all year long, we are exactly what our record shows, a .500 ball club fighting for play in status.

The team is all out of wack, and Riley made it worse by trading another 1st for Scary. We need a rebuild already. Its time. If you are watching the playoffs, it’s clear as day that the Heat cannot hang with anyone, hell even the damn Knicks are better. Ny, Boston, Milwaukee, Philly are all better. The entire Western Conference is better. We simply put are not contenders and it’s time we stop pretending that we are.

We are about to make a monumental mistake giving a declining Jimmy a max deal. We should be trading him for picks and young players. Trading Herro and Scary. And if someone highly overpays, getting rid of Bam too. Tear it down like OKC did and get some picks and young talent in here. Enough is enough!

[Rapaz]

If Lebron really wanted to tilt the scales here, He opts out, becomes full on Villain, resigns with Miami for Vet Min salary. Miami then sees the opportunity and goes all in either for Durant or Mitchell or George.

Miami starts next years with one of the other Combos:
1. Rozier, Mitchell, Jimmy, Lebron, Bam
2. Rozier, Jimmy, Lebron, Durant, Bam
3. Rozier, Jimmy, George, Lebron, Bam

Teams around the league would be at an uproar and would work tirelessly on sabotaging this build from ever happening.

Would have to first come to a secret agreement with lebron and postpone his signing before executing the other trade.

Exactly Lebron would get word to the team, Miami makes the moves in question, also passes info to said player so they can push this to happen on their side as well. Then one thing drops, Lebron says you know what Ive made my money it's time to go back to a place I felt great and finish it all there, signs a vet minimum, BOOM, we instantly become the Heatles again... Hate pours from all sides.

Mama Gayle has a raging boner right now. Ngl.

[SerialChiller]

I'm not gonna lie, these last few years having Lebron at the 4 would of been incredible. He has legit size to play there compared to our usual 4s and can still give you 30 point games fairly commonly besides passing and rebounding very well still. And he's shooting the 3 better now.

[AirP.]

He ain’t the goat of anything. Guy has a pathetic finals record, swept by Spurs, colluded to form the big 3, went 2-4 even while forming that team. Got constantly beat by Curry. The guy has a 4-6 finals record that should be 2-8. Saved by Bosh and Ray Allen, saved by Silver suspending Green in the finals when he was down 3-1. Have some standards, the guy is a fraud. The ONLY thing he has going for him is the steroids that keep him playing til he’s 40 and is able to stat pad until then. Never in any other sport will there be a guy that’s in “goat” conversations that constantly loses like he does.

Mia stinks when it comes to ball protection, stinks in transition, stinks in late game situations, and are small in size n stature.

Lebron running point bolsters the team in all of these areas

I can careless if people view him as the goat

So long as he can help this team become legit title contenders, thats all that matters

He doesn’t help. This team isn’t a contender. I don’t care that we snuck into a couple finals. We were the 8th seed last year, we were 8th seed again this season. Jimmy sucked all year long, we are exactly what our record shows, a .500 ball club fighting for play in status.

The team is all out of wack, and Riley made it worse by trading another 1st for Scary. We need a rebuild already. Its time. If you are watching the playoffs, it’s clear as day that the Heat cannot hang with anyone, hell even the damn Knicks are better. Ny, Boston, Milwaukee, Philly are all better. The entire Western Conference is better. We simply put are not contenders and it’s time we stop pretending that we are.

We are about to make a monumental mistake giving a declining Jimmy a max deal. We should be trading him for picks and young players. Trading Herro and Scary. And if someone highly overpays, getting rid of Bam too. Tear it down like OKC did and get some picks and young talent in here. Enough is enough!

What some people don't get is how different the regular season is vs the playoffs. The regular season is mostly about talent since teams can't really prepare for their next opponent, the playoffs you get to have multiple days, sometimes a week to prepare for your opponent continue to build on their preparation by having to play a whole series against them, so you keep building your knowledge on that team and how you need to play against them as a team and as each individual which can be translated to, a better understanding of their weaknesses and how to exploit them. It's still the game of basketball but it's WAY more strategic in the playoffs.

[eddieheatfan]

He ain’t the goat of anything. Guy has a pathetic finals record, swept by Spurs, colluded to form the big 3, went 2-4 even while forming that team. Got constantly beat by Curry. The guy has a 4-6 finals record that should be 2-8. Saved by Bosh and Ray Allen, saved by Silver suspending Green in the finals when he was down 3-1. Have some standards, the guy is a fraud. The ONLY thing he has going for him is the steroids that keep him playing til he’s 40 and is able to stat pad until then. Never in any other sport will there be a guy that’s in “goat” conversations that constantly loses like he does.

Mia stinks when it comes to ball protection, stinks in transition, stinks in late game situations, and are small in size n stature.

Lebron running point bolsters the team in all of these areas

I can careless if people view him as the goat

So long as he can help this team become legit title contenders, thats all that matters

He doesn’t help. This team isn’t a contender. I don’t care that we snuck into a couple finals. We were the 8th seed last year, we were 8th seed again this season. Jimmy sucked all year long, we are exactly what our record shows, a .500 ball club fighting for play in status.

The team is all out of wack, and Riley made it worse by trading another 1st for Scary. We need a rebuild already. Its time. If you are watching the playoffs, it’s clear as day that the Heat cannot hang with anyone, hell even the damn Knicks are better. Ny, Boston, Milwaukee, Philly are all better. The entire Western Conference is better. We simply put are not contenders and it’s time we stop pretending that we are.

We are about to make a monumental mistake giving a declining Jimmy a max deal. We should be trading him for picks and young players. Trading Herro and Scary. And if someone highly overpays, getting rid of Bam too. Tear it down like OKC did and get some picks and young talent in here. Enough is enough!

yeah lets blow it up

[twix2500]

The way to look at the pick is whether a team is willing to trade their mid to late first round pick for Lebron.

I suspect Mia would be willing to draft Bronny if it became clear that his pops intends on leaving LA.

A team may be willing to draft Brony in the second round for Lebron but they are not gonna give a first round contract to the kid.

You wouldn’t trade a 1st for 3 seasons of the GOAT?

3 seasons?

[NightWatch]

The way to look at the pick is whether a team is willing to trade their mid to late first round pick for Lebron.

I suspect Mia would be willing to draft Bronny if it became clear that his pops intends on leaving LA.

A team may be willing to draft Brony in the second round for Lebron but they are not gonna give a first round contract to the kid.

You wouldn’t trade a 1st for 3 seasons of the GOAT?

LeBron changed his mind. He wants his son to have his own success without interfering

[NightWatch]

Read on Twitter

I’ve seen this movie too many times before. I’ll wait until the press conference.

Not a chance in hell Cavs is going to help the Heat.

[Dainis]

Heard Pat Raily telling Jimbo to shut the fook up the other day. What do you guys make of his remarks? Has Butler played his last game in Heat's uniform?

[NightWatch]

Riley is not going to extend a broken down 35-year-old. Jimmy is going to be traded.

If that’s the attitude Riley is going to have, what message does it signal to players around the league? How Heat has treated Wade and butler? Tread lightly, pat.

[NightWatch]

Heard Pat Raily telling Jimbo to shut the fook up the other day. What do you guys make of his remarks? Has Butler played his last game in Heat's uniform?

I think pat is disrespectful. Butler is the ones who put Miami back on the map. Heat won two eastern championships within the last 5 years because of butler. Prior to the arrival of butler and the departure of LeBron James Heat were irrelevant. Pat Riley is the one who should shut the food up and get jimmy some help and put some respect to jimmy butler’s name.

[Hoops3355]

A team may be willing to draft Brony in the second round for Lebron but they are not gonna give a first round contract to the kid.

You wouldn’t trade a 1st for 3 seasons of the GOAT?

He ain’t the goat of anything. Guy has a pathetic finals record, swept by Spurs, colluded to form the big 3, went 2-4 even while forming that team. Got constantly beat by Curry. The guy has a 4-6 finals record that should be 2-8. Saved by Bosh and Ray Allen, saved by Silver suspending Green in the finals when he was down 3-1. Have some standards, the guy is a fraud. The ONLY thing he has going for him is the steroids that keep him playing til he’s 40 and is able to stat pad until then. Never in any other sport will there be a guy that’s in “goat” conversations that constantly loses like he does.

Didn’t Jordan not make it to the finals like 9/15 seasons. Feel like people forget that aspect of his career plus being such a degenerate gambler he had to sit out two seasons.

[powerball1373]

How does Mitchell not move the needle though? Practically every team he’s been on has finished with HCA in at least the first playoff round, better positioning alone moves the needle for us. Hes a high level playoff performer as well averaging 28-5-5 for his career. Hes the exact kind of offensive talent we’ve missed next to Jimmy and Bam in these deep playoff runs

Yeah I mean he moves the needle as far as making us better, but I don't think he moves the needle as far as making us legitimate title contenders. Still wouldn't be better than Boston and maybe not even the Knicks/Bucks after whatever offseason moves they make. Not even close to the big young teams in the West. I'd guess that trading for Mitchell would result in an ECF ceiling, unless Boston got a fluke injury. And then we'd likely need a fluke injury from the West team as well.

I'd rather just blow it up and hope to eventually luck into our next young superstar. Bam is great but he's no superstar and never will be.

I could def be talked into adding Durant and/or LeBron to Jimmy and Bam tho. One last ride for the old mfkrs, like The Expendables.

I’m down for Durant or LeBron too lol

[IceColdCubano]

Meh, I'm probably one of the few but I'm actually not opposed to Tyler Herro. I think we should tamper our expectations of what he's supposed to be, as we now have a clearer understanding of what his limitations are.

I think he could make a great complimentary scorer to an alpha, but where the issue lies is that we expect him to be the respective alpha (but he's not). Jimmy is partly to blame because of that due to his frequent lack of assertiveness offensively.

"But he's paid like an alpha so that has to be the expectation for him!!!" - that's just incorrect lol. Herro was the 52nd highest paid player in the league this season, and will be approximately in the same range next year as well.

Some notable guys paid more than Tyler Herro this season: Kyle Lowry, Chris Paul, Jordan Poole, CJ McCollum, Jerami Grant, Tobias Harris, Ben Simmons, Fred Van Vleet, Darius Garland.

Some notable players paid slightly less than Tyler Herro this season (within 4m): Kyle Kuzma, John Collins, Mike Conley, Andrew Wiggins, Anfernee Simons, Jordan Clarkson, Terry Rozier.

With the pay people complain about how much he's making you would think he was on a superstar max contract, but he just isn't. Jaylen Brown is on a superstar max contract and he's going to make 59m next season, 20m more than what Tyler Herro will be paid.

For a player that averages 20, 5 and 4 on 44/39/85 shooting splits (at the age of 24) - it really isn't that bad of a contract to be paid ~27m.

If he was making $20-24M I wouldn't have a problem, thats kind off the range for a player of that caliber.