Miami Heat 2023/2024 Regular Season - Thread 3.0

[3ammy3uck3ts]

That much usage and that way of usage there wil be players who will have to sacrifice (Adebayo)

I knew he’d be the odd man out when we finally got a scorer anyways, it’s unfortunate and it’s wrong but it is what it is. They have to justify paying Herro somehow and you can’t do that if he’s not getting his shot attempts because he doesn’t impact the game anywhere else if he isn’t scoring as we saw last game in Orlando and were reminded of any night he has an off shooting game (quite often).

All this would be solved if Herro came off the bench for a specialist and we started Highsmith or maybe Martin at the 4 though. Won’t happen unfortunately but that’s how you get everyone their touches and shot attempts

Thinking Rozier gonna average 24 a night here is fools gold. If Terry is your leading scorer, you are not a good team. My highest expectations is for him to average 17 to 18. I will expect this team to continue struggle in wins if Rozier and Herro are carrying the scoring load.

It’s fools gold but only because he’ll be starting along Herro who is likely to be taking shots and usage from him; if not based on all metrics this year it’s far from fools gold

[IceColdCubano]

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Let’s go!!!!!

My body is ready, even if it looks awkward as long as it looks different. I will have a hard on all night every time he finds himself in the paint within 5 ft of the basket, something Kyle couldn't do anymore.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Rozier/Jrich
Duncan/Herro
Jimmy/JJJ
Highsmith/Martin
Bam/Love

This is your best depth chart/rotation for the guys who will likely be in the 10 man regular season rotation if we make no other moves. This gives everyone the shots they need and this puts the ball in the hands of the players it should be in.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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Let’s go!!!!!

My body is ready, even if it looks awkward as long as it looks different. I will have a hard on all night every time he finds himself in the paint within 5 ft of the basket, something Kyle couldn't do anymore.

It’s likely to take a little time but I’m just glad he’s getting his first reps against the awful; severely injured grizzlies instead of being thrown in the fire tomorrow night against the Celtics and their elite defensive backcourt

[contract]

What do you think is the target for fga average for Bam, Butler, Herro and Rozier going forward?

What it should be is Rozier 18, Bam 16, Jimmy 14, Herro 14 then change it when Jimmy starts trying.

What it probably will be is Herro 18, Rozier 14, Jimmy 13, Bam 13

Herro will keep getting his shots ... at least through the trade deadline.

[twix2500]

I knew he’d be the odd man out when we finally got a scorer anyways, it’s unfortunate and it’s wrong but it is what it is. They have to justify paying Herro somehow and you can’t do that if he’s not getting his shot attempts because he doesn’t impact the game anywhere else if he isn’t scoring as we saw last game in Orlando and were reminded of any night he has an off shooting game (quite often).

All this would be solved if Herro came off the bench for a specialist and we started Highsmith or maybe Martin at the 4 though. Won’t happen unfortunately but that’s how you get everyone their touches and shot attempts

Thinking Rozier gonna average 24 a night here is fools gold. If Terry is your leading scorer, you are not a good team. My highest expectations is for him to average 17 to 18. I will expect this team to continue struggle in wins if Rozier and Herro are carrying the scoring load.

It’s fools gold but only because he’ll be starting along Herro who is likely to be taking shots and usage from him; if not based on all metrics this year it’s far from fools gold

I dont expect this team to become a PnR heavy team. I think Spo is gonna continue to utilize Bam as a point guard a lot more making him a facilitator hoping to create a mismatch problem. Off ball cutting is gonna be vital, not pnr.

[IceColdCubano]

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Let’s go!!!!!

My body is ready, even if it looks awkward as long as it looks different. I will have a hard on all night every time he finds himself in the paint within 5 ft of the basket, something Kyle couldn't do anymore.

It’s likely to take a little time but I’m just glad he’s getting his first reps against the awful; severely injured grizzlies instead of being thrown in the fire tomorrow night against the Celtics and their elite defensive backcourt

Perfect game to get his feet wet in our system, I expect some miscues, and mistakes until he meshes that will take a couple practices, and some team video reviews with coaching staff, etc. Also great thing about Boston seeing us with him not 100% in our offensive schemes, means they won't know what hit em the next time we play or in the playoffs. Spo hasn't slept since we acquired him I bet, he has already put machinations in place to use him in some really creative ways.

[Lennyzinho]

I think people are focusing way too much on Rozier the shooter/scorer and not enough on how much he can help facilitate and take pressure off bam/jimmy/herro. The thing about the Heat last couple seasons is that you knew you'd be getting your 15-30 pts every game from bam and jimmy and herro, but it was always another player stepping up dropping 18 or 22. Whether it was gabe or strus or duncan or caleb or even yurt.

Losing gabe and strus took away some of our volatility and ability to 'get hot'. Although they weren't the best players and not the most efficient, they did make us more dangerous. Feel like we are far easier to defend this year. Rozier helps with that tremendously. We don't need 25 from Rozier. A more efficient 17 points a game is fine, because he will also help Bam get easier buckets, will take pressure off other players and I think we can all agree that even 17 from Rozier is far superior to whatever we were getting from kyle. And yea, I fully expect him to blow up for 30+ every once in a while. Someone has to. Jimmy coasts in the regular season. Rozier is more efficient than Herro. And Rozier could possibly be the key to helping bam take the next step with pick and roll.

Let's be patient and give Spo a few weeks if not month(s) to figure out the best lineups and strategy for this team. Spo identified Rozier as a player he wanted. They're clearly high on him since we sacrificed flexibility for him, and he has long term money. And his teammates clearly liked him. He really is the bargain price dame at a younger age. And unlike Lowry who carried the stank of Toronto on him and felt he was above everyone else and should be starting, Rozier has always wanted to be in Miami.

To be clear I don't think it's going to be perfect or the perfect fit. But it's a step in the right direction and we are better after this move.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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Yep.

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Let’s go!!!!!

Excited!

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Thinking Rozier gonna average 24 a night here is fools gold. If Terry is your leading scorer, you are not a good team. My highest expectations is for him to average 17 to 18. I will expect this team to continue struggle in wins if Rozier and Herro are carrying the scoring load.

It’s fools gold but only because he’ll be starting along Herro who is likely to be taking shots and usage from him; if not based on all metrics this year it’s far from fools gold

I dont expect this team to become a PnR heavy team. I think Spo is gonna continue to utilize Bam as a point guard a lot more making him a facilitator hoping to create a mismatch problem. Off ball cutting is gonna be vital, not pnr.

We damn near spam pick and roll as it is and now we’ve just added the 2nd best/most efficient pick and roll ball handler in the league, we will be running a lot of pick and roll or we’re not serious about winning lol

[Kobewade11]

I think people are focusing way too much on Rozier the shooter/scorer and not enough on how much he can help facilitate and take pressure off bam/jimmy/herro. The thing about the Heat last couple seasons is that you knew you'd be getting your 15-30 pts every game from bam and jimmy and herro, but it was always another player stepping up dropping 18 or 22. Whether it was gabe or strus or duncan or caleb or even yurt.

Losing gabe and strus took away some of our volatility and ability to 'get hot'. Although they weren't the best players and not the most efficient, they did make us more dangerous. Feel like we are far easier to defend this year. Rozier helps with that tremendously. We don't need 25 from Rozier. A more efficient 17 points a game is fine, because he will also help Bam get easier buckets, will take pressure off other players and I think we can all agree that even 17 from Rozier is far superior to whatever we were getting from kyle. And yea, I fully expect him to blow up for 30+ every once in a while. Someone has to. Jimmy coasts in the regular season. Rozier is more efficient than Herro. And Rozier could possibly be the key to helping bam take the next step with pick and roll.

Let's be patient and give Spo a few weeks if not month(s) to figure out the best lineups and strategy for this team. Spo identified Rozier as a player he wanted. They're clearly high on him since we sacrificed flexibility for him, and he has long term money. And his teammates clearly liked him. He really is the bargain price dame at a younger age. And unlike Lowry who carried the stank of Toronto on him and felt he was above everyone else and should be starting, Rozier has always wanted to be in Miami.

To be clear I don't think it's going to be perfect or the perfect fit. But it's a step in the right direction and we are better after this move.

It is going to to take time. Hopefully fans understand that and have patience too instead of running with their established narratives. Even our main guys haven't played a lot of basketball together this year and we're adding an additional (significant) piece to the mix.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I think people are focusing way too much on Rozier the shooter/scorer and not enough on how much he can help facilitate and take pressure off bam/jimmy/herro. The thing about the Heat last couple seasons is that you knew you'd be getting your 15-30 pts every game from bam and jimmy and herro, but it was always another player stepping up dropping 18 or 22. Whether it was gabe or strus or duncan or caleb or even yurt.

Losing gabe and strus took away some of our volatility and ability to 'get hot'. Although they weren't the best players and not the most efficient, they did make us more dangerous. Feel like we are far easier to defend this year. Rozier helps with that tremendously. We don't need 25 from Rozier. A more efficient 17 points a game is fine, because he will also help Bam get easier buckets, will take pressure off other players and I think we can all agree that even 17 from Rozier is far superior to whatever we were getting from kyle. And yea, I fully expect him to blow up for 30+ every once in a while. Someone has to. Jimmy coasts in the regular season. Rozier is more efficient than Herro. And Rozier could possibly be the key to helping bam take the next step with pick and roll.

Let's be patient and give Spo a few weeks if not month(s) to figure out the best lineups and strategy for this team. Spo identified Rozier as a player he wanted. They're clearly high on him since we sacrificed flexibility for him, and he has long term money. And his teammates clearly liked him. He really is the bargain price dame at a younger age. And unlike Lowry who carried the stank of Toronto on him and felt he was above everyone else and should be starting, Rozier has always wanted to be in Miami.

To be clear I don't think it's going to be perfect or the perfect fit. But it's a step in the right direction and we are better after this move.

Well said, his speed and rim pressure by itself will/should open up a lot for other guys specifically Bam

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I’m fully prepared for Bourne to act a donkey if Rozier/the team struggles in either of these games of the back to back

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Contract came out of retirement for Terry?!?!

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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Royce maybe because he’s expiring, I would love DFS but I don’t see a match because of his future salary. Both would be great fits and an upgrade at the 4.

[DayofMourning]

Contract came out of retirement for Terry?!?!

Now all we need are Iggie, Chalms, Dr-Heat, DefenseWins, mos, etc to jump back on the bandwagon.

[Daffy]

I don't understand how people feel like Rozier doesn't move the needle for us. Sometimes you don't need a big name star. Aaron Gordon was thought to be a losing player on a bad team and look what he did for Denver. Gordon is a big part of what they do now.

If we go into the playoffs healthy we're definitely improved as far as offensive help around Butler. We basically doing the following:

Gabe into Rozier
Struss into Herro (hate him or love him he won't play as bad as max did all those games)
Duncan improved offensively
Lowry into Jaquez
Bam also improved offensively.
Love has also been better with a full year in the system and Richardson even has his moments.

We no longer need Jimmy to go nuclear. We can even have an off night from 1 of Herro or Bam now and won't be completely screwed now that we have Rozier and Jaquez providing an offensive punch for us.


Our biggest issue now remains our defense not being as good as last year or seasons prior.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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Did we just fix our 4th quarter offense as well?

[Daffy]

Jalen Smith from Indiana is a guy I would love to have on this team.