Miami Heat Offseason Thread vol. 1: Post Mortem

[contract]

Lot of hindsight on us missing on Maxey, but how bout not going hard after Kyrie?

In a 6 game series that featured Luka, PG, Harden, and Kawhi (barely) Kyrie was easily the best player

I mentioned it earlier in the thread but Kyrie was a no brainer, classic distressed asset that could have been rehabilitated but Micky wasn’t touching that with a ten foot pole.

That's fool's gold. Kyrie is being boy scout so he can secure a max extension this offseason. After that the nightmares begin again.

[MettaWorldPanda]

The major darkhorse team for Mitchell is going to be the Spurs. Mitchell has mentioned numerous times how much he loves Pop and playing for him at Team USA. They have every resource to recruit and get him this summer under everyone’s noses. That Spurs team is in line to be the league’s next OKC. They did it DOM’s way.

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[ZoStrong]

The major darkhorse team for Mitchell is going to be the Spurs. Mitchell has mentioned numerous times how much he loves Pop and playing for him at Team USA. They have every resource to recruit and get him this summer under everyone’s noses. That Spurs team is in line to be the league’s next OKC. They did it DOM’s way.

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Mitchell and Wemby (plus another star lvl talent they can surely add) would be fun to watch

[MettaWorldPanda]

The major darkhorse team for Mitchell is going to be the Spurs. Mitchell has mentioned numerous times how much he loves Pop and playing for him at Team USA. They have every resource to recruit and get him this summer under everyone’s noses. That Spurs team is in line to be the league’s next OKC. They did it DOM’s way.

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Mitchell and Wemby (plus another star lvl talent they can surely add) would be fun to watch

That’s what i’m saying. We are suckers to think we have any shot at Mitchell with one of the saddest asset pools in the league. They are teams out there building future dynasty’s with major windows and like 40 future picks. If we did end up trading Butler it certainly ain’t going to be too Philly. I’m looking at OKC and getting our own pick back along with multiple other first and second rd picks. Start building the cupboard back so when the time is right we can offer a team something of substance. Not 48 million worth of garbage contracts, some role playing young players, and a lowly 2029 first. Cmon man

[Johnny Fontane]

In a 6 game series that featured Luka, PG, Harden, and Kawhi (barely) Kyrie was easily the best player

I mentioned it earlier in the thread but Kyrie was a no brainer, classic distressed asset that could have been rehabilitated but Micky wasn’t touching that with a ten foot pole.

That's fool's gold. Kyrie is being boy scout so he can secure a max extension this offseason. After that the nightmares begin again.

Maybe so. In the meantime though Dallas basically got him for what we gave up for Rozier + a jag like DFS. Bam, Jimmy, Kyrie would have at least given us the best shot at maximizing our window which is currently all but done

[MettaWorldPanda]

I mentioned it earlier in the thread but Kyrie was a no brainer, classic distressed asset that could have been rehabilitated but Micky wasn’t touching that with a ten foot pole.

That's fool's gold. Kyrie is being boy scout so he can secure a max extension this offseason. After that the nightmares begin again.

Maybe so. In the meantime though Dallas basically got him for what we gave up for Rozier + a jag like DFS. Bam, Jimmy, Kyrie would have at least given us the best shot at maximizing our window which is currently all but done

Lots of factors played a role in that. Most notably Irving’s polarizing views on social issues that made him sort of a pariah for franchises to want to deal for him. Give credit to Dallas for taking the gamble and having the right pieces at the time to appease BK. What could have we offered at the time? A mentally broken down Duncan on a donkey contract or was it Herro on his new extension?

[Johnny Fontane]

That's fool's gold. Kyrie is being boy scout so he can secure a max extension this offseason. After that the nightmares begin again.

Maybe so. In the meantime though Dallas basically got him for what we gave up for Rozier + a jag like DFS. Bam, Jimmy, Kyrie would have at least given us the best shot at maximizing our window which is currently all but done

Lots of factors played a role in that. Most notably Irving’s polarizing views on social issues that made him sort of a pariah for franchises to want to deal for him. Give credit to Dallas for taking the gamble and having the right pieces at the time to appease BK. What could have we offered at the time? A mentally broken down Duncan on a donkey contract or was it Herro on his new extension?

Probably about the same we gave for Rozier. Lowry+ pick+ expiring Strus/Gabe or both would have likely got it done

[ZoStrong]

The major darkhorse team for Mitchell is going to be the Spurs. Mitchell has mentioned numerous times how much he loves Pop and playing for him at Team USA. They have every resource to recruit and get him this summer under everyone’s noses. That Spurs team is in line to be the league’s next OKC. They did it DOM’s way.

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Mitchell and Wemby (plus another star lvl talent they can surely add) would be fun to watch

That’s what i’m saying. We are suckers to think we have any shot at Mitchell with one of the saddest asset pools in the league. They are teams out there building future dynasty’s with major windows and like 40 future picks. If we did end up trading Butler it certainly ain’t going to be too Philly. I’m looking at OKC and getting our own pick back along with multiple other first and second rd picks. Start building the cupboard back so when the time is right we can offer a team something of substance. Not 48 million worth of garbage contracts, some role playing young players, and a lowly 2029 first. Cmon man

Lol at "One of the saddest asset pools". It's not that bad, lol.

Also lots teams might try to become next dynasty, but only one will succeed. That's the nature of the beast.

One thing tho, If you ever try to tank, tank like Spurs, not like 76ers or bunch other teams that draft high year after year. There ain't no "process* w the draft lottery. You should only tank for a generational talent.

[Flash4thewin]

Mitchell and Wemby (plus another star lvl talent they can surely add) would be fun to watch

That’s what i’m saying. We are suckers to think we have any shot at Mitchell with one of the saddest asset pools in the league. They are teams out there building future dynasty’s with major windows and like 40 future picks. If we did end up trading Butler it certainly ain’t going to be too Philly. I’m looking at OKC and getting our own pick back along with multiple other first and second rd picks. Start building the cupboard back so when the time is right we can offer a team something of substance. Not 48 million worth of garbage contracts, some role playing young players, and a lowly 2029 first. Cmon man

Lol at "One of the saddest asset pools". It's not that bad, lol.

Also lots teams might try to become next dynasty, but only one will succeed. That's the nature of the beast.

One thing tho, If you ever try to tank, tank like Spurs, not like 76ers or bunch other teams that draft high year after year. There ain't no "process* w the draft lottery. You should only tank for a generational talent.

When Yao was in the lottery so where we
When Lebron was in the lottery so where we
When Rose was in the lottery so where we

I’m not saying but I’m saying.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Mitchell and Wemby (plus another star lvl talent they can surely add) would be fun to watch

That’s what i’m saying. We are suckers to think we have any shot at Mitchell with one of the saddest asset pools in the league. They are teams out there building future dynasty’s with major windows and like 40 future picks. If we did end up trading Butler it certainly ain’t going to be too Philly. I’m looking at OKC and getting our own pick back along with multiple other first and second rd picks. Start building the cupboard back so when the time is right we can offer a team something of substance. Not 48 million worth of garbage contracts, some role playing young players, and a lowly 2029 first. Cmon man

Lol at "One of the saddest asset pools". It's not that bad, lol.

Also lots teams might try to become next dynasty, but only one will succeed. That's the nature of the beast.

One thing tho, If you ever try to tank, tank like Spurs, not like 76ers or bunch other teams that draft high year after year. There ain't no "process* w the draft lottery. You should only tank for a generational talent.

We don’t have a legit future tradeable first till 2029 on top of that we would have to do the same trade stipulations of giving a 2030 unprotected due all the previous pick trade gymnastics. We have two second rd picks 2025 and 2031. We can trade the 15th(after selected) and 43rd this year but that doesn’t take away the fact that so many other teams crush our pick situation.

[MiamiLoyal926]

Maybe one year we win the lottery…

Even when we had the tops odds for it… they gave it to the bulls… I mean the lottery balls did not bounce in our favor.

[MettaWorldPanda]

If we are to do any sort of rebuild soft or full then trading Butler to OKC and getting our own pick back along with other picks would be the first step in the process. That OKC pick owed next year is forcing us to go for it or else enjoy the ripple effect of giving OKC unprotected in 2026 and Hornets unprotected in 2028. If we get our pick back we can tank gracefully.

[ZoStrong]

Heat will not tank unless Bam is out for season. Don't waste time fantasizing about it. East is so bad rn mediocre teams make the playoff

[Johnny Fontane]

If we are to do any sort of rebuild soft or full then trading Butler to OKC and getting our own pick back along with other picks would be the first step in the process. That OKC pick owed next year is forcing us to go for it or else enjoy the ripple effect of giving OKC unprotected in 2026 and Hornets unprotected in 2028.

Whether we like it or not, we have all the makings of a low lottery treadmill team for the next good while. It’s clear there’s an absolute unwillingness and stubbornness from the Heat ownership against committing to a full on rebuild which was made obvious when we amended the ‘23 pick to dump okpala then the Rozier traded pick that depends on the OKC pick conveying

[MettaWorldPanda]

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[ZoStrong]

When was last dynasty that became one because they got the top pick? Spurs w Duncan, cuz Robinson was out for the season. So, they added Duncan AND Robinson the following season n went on a run.

#1 pick don't make u a dynasty. Curry wasn't, Jokic wasn't, even Jordan wasn't. #1 picks usually end up on other teams, lol

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I mentioned it earlier in the thread but Kyrie was a no brainer, classic distressed asset that could have been rehabilitated but Micky wasn’t touching that with a ten foot pole.

Distressed assets this summer are Mitchell Ingram and Trae due to contract situations (Ingram and Mitchell) and in Traes case just time to move on, value probably lowest it’s ever been

None of these guys are kyrie though. Kyrie had been there done that, saved Lebron’s legacy with a clutch 3 and was a legit star in a finals series against a prime warriors team. If there was one missed golden opportunity it was that one to a tee for Miami

Definitely don’t disagree but they also haven’t had a true opportunity to show it yet either. I wanted Kyrie bad. Next to Jimmy bam and Spo they will, Mitchell is 28-5-5 for his career in the playoffs, imagine that next to playoff Jimmy and Bam. Numbers likely drop but that’s because they’ll all feed off each other.

Trae pushed the championship Bucks to 6 in the ECF at least and is an elite offensive talent, one of the best in the league. A walking 25-10, this team is missing that spark.

[ZoStrong]

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How did we get Jimmy? Trading away all our wonderful assets? No. JRich was like the only meaningful asset we gave away.

Don't look at your pantry and get depressed. Believe in the management that's always trying to go for it. It doesn't work out all the time. That's life. I'm a fan of Heat because of that unwavering resilience

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Phins got Odell. How about our Heat?

They’re saying Lowry was our Odell

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Cmon Bammy Pat fumbled 3x already, not expecting he will do different this time.

Best we could do is Trae or Ingram for our picks, Herro and one of Jaime or Jovic. Unless you want to trade Bam for Mitchell, but that ain't happening, of course.

An expiring Mitchell who has a say in where he wants to go isn’t getting a Bam level return; not even close.

I know Pat has been terrible with this build but eventually he has to get it right doesn’t he?!?! I mean surely he will instead of just losing Jimmy when we’ve been so close

“Miami Only” you are torturing yourself Bammy. Our offer is going to get beat and get beat bad by a team you would have never even thought he would play for.

I highly doubt it