**NBA Draft Discussion 2024**

Kobewade11 · Post #781 » by **Kobewade11** » Mon May 13, 2024 8:18 pm

I like Da Silva, I like him more as a 3 than a 4. Im fine with him or Edey.

Post #782 » by **MettaWorldPanda** » Mon May 13, 2024 8:18 pm

greg4012 wrote:Biggest part of the value proposition for Da Silva is that he can be a consolidation of a lot of role player functions. You need a top level shooter/spacer in the lineup to complement more on-ball paint guys--Da Silva can do that. You need a screener with some functional size and mobility on the floor--Da Silva can do that. You need a big wing defender for the playoffs so it's not just Bam, Jimmy, and a bunch of liabilities out there--Da Silva can (hopefully) do that.

He's consolidating a few role playing archetypes that Spo values into one player. I dig it.

He's one of a list of guys I'd be happy to see Miami leave the first round with. He may be the only pure PF that I have on this theoretical list, tho.

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Post #783 » by **MettaWorldPanda** » Mon May 13, 2024 8:22 pm

Kobewade11 wrote:I like Da Silva, I like him more as a 3 than a 4. I'm fine with him or Edey.

He's very interchangeable and will mix in great with Butler and JJJ. He'll mix in great with everyone and that's the beauty of it. He immediately lengthens the bench and allows players to thrive in there proper roles. While da Silva is sniping on the outside the Butler's and JJJ's can continue to operate in the slashing and mid range roles.

greg4012 · Post #784 » by **greg4012** » Mon May 13, 2024 8:30 pm

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AirP. · Post #785 » by **AirP.** » Mon May 13, 2024 8:43 pm

MettaWorldPanda wrote:
lastb1ckman wrote:
MettaWorldPanda wrote:Vet stretch 4’s are a rarity and also hard for us to afford considering our cap space. A cheap Center is much more realistic. The market for stretch 4’s is highly competetive.

We literally have Jovic though, and he looks good! Why draft an older player who plays the same position? Unless you want him to play the 3, but we already have Jaime. And Da Silva is pretty much the same age.

We have no pgs in the development pipeline, and the non Bam minutes some of the most detrimental minutes for the Heat every game. The cheap centers haven't been working.

Because quality depth is extremely important. What happens is Jovic's back starts acting up again? We can get a guard in the second round. No stretch 4's or bigs in the 2nd. We have Rozier locked up for two more years who will get the majority of the minutes and possibly Delon Wright coming back on the cheap.

I think eventual starters are more important than drafting backups, the only exception is Miami is center since Bam is so important on the defensive end. You're prioritizing an expected backup to a position with a younger player already starting there over a possible starter in 1-3 years? This is the exact thinking that got Miami to draft Precious over Maxey. The only way Precious would end up playing next to Bam is if either one of them started shooting 3s regularly and 4 years down the road that still hasn't happened.

AirP. · Post #786 » by **AirP.** » Mon May 13, 2024 9:20 pm

Ryan Russillo has talked/texted to some front office people recently and FO people. One FO player looking at the values of the players saying this year's draft is like a regular draft starting at #7, one FO person said starting at #10. It was also said maybe we don't trade out just in case one of these guys hits, for example like a D.Mitchell, Giannis, Jokic, Maxey and so on... just no players that teams are pointing towards the top of the draft saying we could see that player as a franchise player like you can most drafts.

Bill Simmons said this might be one of the worst 3 drafts in the last 20-25 years.

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greg4012 · Post #787 » by **greg4012** » Mon May 13, 2024 9:34 pm

AirP. wrote:Ryan Russillo has talked/texted to some front office people recently and FO people. One FO player looking at the values of the players saying this year's draft is like a regular draft starting at #7, one FO person said starting at #10. It was also said maybe we don't trade out just in case one of these guys hits, for example like a D.Mitchell, Giannis, Jokic, Maxey and so on... just no players that teams are pointing towards the top of the draft saying we could see that player as a franchise player like you can most drafts.

Bill Simmons said this might be one of the worst 3 drafts in the last 20-25 years.

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Top 10 guys are basically the same caliber (and same amount of warts) as the next group of 10 except more people are convincing themselves that the 1st group is a cut above.

AirP. · Post #788 » by **AirP.** » Mon May 13, 2024 9:37 pm

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lastb1ckman · Post #789 » by **lastb1ckman** » Mon May 13, 2024 10:33 pm

greg4012 wrote:Biggest part of the value proposition for Da Silva is that he can be a consolidation of a lot of role player functions. You need a top level shooter/spacer in the lineup to complement more on-ball paint guys--Da Silva can do that. You need a screener with some functional size and mobility on the floor--Da Silva can do that. You need a big wing defender for the playoffs so it's not just Bam, Jimmy, and a bunch of liabilities out there--Da Silva can (hopefully) do that.

He's consolidating a few role playing archetypes that Spo values into one player. I dig it.

He's one of a list of guys I'd be happy to see Miami leave the first round with. He may be the only pure PF that I have on this theoretical list, tho.

But isn't that a waste of draft capital when it's already a premium? Why draft a player that does what young developmental players on your team already do? Especially when you have holes else where?

Unless you don't believe those young players are gonna be there long term, or this player you're drafting is considerably better than them. If that's it, I can see where you're coming from. Otherwise it reminds me of the big man log jam the Magic got stuck in few years ago.

greg4012 · Post #790 » by **greg4012** » Mon May 13, 2024 11:21 pm

lastb1ckman wrote:
greg4012 wrote:Biggest part of the value proposition for Da Silva is that he can be a consolidation of a lot of role player functions. You need a top level shooter/spacer in the lineup to complement more on-ball paint guys--Da Silva can do that. You need a screener with some functional size and mobility on the floor--Da Silva can do that. You need a big wing defender for the playoffs so it's not just Bam, Jimmy, and a bunch of liabilities out there--Da Silva can (hopefully) do that.

He's consolidating a few role playing archetypes that Spo values into one player. I dig it.

He's one of a list of guys I'd be happy to see Miami leave the first round with. He may be the only pure PF that I have on this theoretical list, tho.

But isn't that a waste of draft capital when it's already a premium? Why draft a player that does what young developmental players on your team already do? Especially when you have holes else where?

Unless you don't believe those young players are gonna be there long term, or this player you're drafting is considerably better than them. If that's it, I can see where you're coming from. Otherwise it reminds me of the big man log jam the Magic got stuck in few years ago.

For me it's pretty simply that Da Silva is one of the best 3&D prospects in this draft with probably the best floor among them. I see him as a solid rotation piece at SF and PF. With the work, he should never lack for minutes if he deserves them despite what our current (and future) core plays.

Quality 3&D rotation minutes in the frontcourt are always an important thing to have available. We've spent a lot of time watching role players that are really only 3 or only D. Our core guys deserve better.

greg4012 · Post #791 » by **greg4012** » Tue May 14, 2024 1:36 am

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Post #792 » by **DayofMourning** » Tue May 14, 2024 1:44 am

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Carter and Sheppard are athletes apparently. Nice.

twix2500 · Post #793 » by **twix2500** » Tue May 14, 2024 1:46 am

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If that is right, that is okay. That will put him at 6'2 with shoes

Post #794 » by **MettaWorldPanda** » Tue May 14, 2024 2:25 am

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Pat Riley is going to have him very very high on the board. He has the DNA

Post #795 » by **Wiltside** » Tue May 14, 2024 2:28 am

Liking those measurements for Devin Carter. He’s fast, strong and has good length for a PG. I’m buying stock.

If Topic has an injury, could spook a few earlier in the lotto. Drop to 15 pls.

IceColdCubano · Post #796 » by **IceColdCubano** » Tue May 14, 2024 2:33 am

Devin Carter, has speed, and leaping ability, with some decent wingspan makes sense why he was a produced some of the better rim pressure in college, if he managed to fix his jumper watch out.

Post #797 » by **MettaWorldPanda** » Tue May 14, 2024 2:33 am

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da Silva is doing his thing at the combine. Shooting solid and running drills very fast. Tristen Newton also doing good for himself who i had pegged as 2nd rd sleeper.

Post #798 » by **MettaWorldPanda** » Tue May 14, 2024 2:34 am

IceColdCubano wrote:Devin Carter, has speed, and leaping ability, with some decent wingspan makes sense why he was a produced some of the better rim pressure in college, if he managed to fix his jumper watch out.

Front office already knows all about him. He’ll be top 3 on our board.

Post #799 » by **MettaWorldPanda** » Tue May 14, 2024 2:38 am

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Carter is going to be a problem in this league. Spo would play him day one.

Post #800 » by **Wiltside** » Tue May 14, 2024 2:43 am

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Carter is going to be a problem in this league. Spo would play him day one.

Spo would froth, no doubt.

I’m seeing a lot of questions on the shot, and I get the form looks a little unorthodox (not as bad as his old man’s….!). But the dude averaged 2.5 threes per game on 37.7%. The stroke seems legit.