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[3ammy3uck3ts]

Lakers had complete control of all 5 of those games, until they didn’t. Just out of the blue couldn’t score, couldn’t rebound, and kept turning it over and it buried them each time. Just wild, I’d be devastated if I was a Lakers fan lol

[Flash4thewin]

Why can't we have young players we can make a franchise cornerstone like SGA and Ant?

Both these guys had the killer instinct to go for the jugular and SWEEP their opponents. Meanwhile we gotta beg Bam to attack and get shots up when they actually matter, and ask Tyler to shoot above 40% if its not too much trouble

Because we refuse to do the dirty work that is needed to get those type of players. You need to rebuild, you need to tank, you need to get into the lottery to get those players for the most part. Thats how we got Wade but for whatever reason we are to arrogant do to what needs to be done. The Spurs tanked and then they got Wemby.

[RexBoyWonder]

Ingram in elimination game, 2-14 8 pts

He's been so bad that he might become attianable even for us.

I'd probably offer Herro and pray slander man can make a leap with us.

[Flash4thewin]

Butterfly effect for sure! No play in might mean no injured Jimmy! Top seeding also means better chance of making it through even if we had early injuries in the playoffs allowing them to get. Healthy for later series. We just need better seeding and better effort throughout the season.

This is the Jimmy though were expecting, so were not expecting a healthy Jimmy surviving the regular season moving forward, the data says this team is flawed and injury prone at all positions. Whatever Build we go into were never really going to get the most out of it, with the current core, we just hope to survive long enough to get into the playoffs healthy. There's just way too many things that need correction just changing the one is not going to offset all our issues.

I still can't imagine in my mind a prolific scorer coming here and completely changing the landscape by 180 by the addition/deduction of replacing that said player with Herro. Its like I am going to forget how terrible our offensive sets are, half court offense is, and undersized we are, and how injury prone the rest of our roster is year in year out.

By this post, one can deduce that Jimmy is the current major problem then. Too big of a contract to give us any spending power, has injury concerns, and has adopted the coast-during-the-season mentality to not be as impactful for better seeding. Now, if he was riding a $20-30million contract the next two seasons, then it wouldn’t be so much of an issue. The reality is that we are strapped to his contract and if he is going to be an injury concern moving forward, then you are right, there is not much else we can do in terms of major trades.

Nah before I go after Jimmy I would go straight at Spo. Remember everything we are seeing are problems coming from the top down. Spo would rather lose games in the belief it makes us better in the long run. Sure that sounds great if you are assured a playoff spot, when you are repeatedly fighting to get into the playoffs, thats not a wise strategy to put it politely. How many winnable games did we lose because Spo did one of his classic head scratching rotations that lost us the game. We honestly should have had a secured playoff slot instead of playing more games in the playin to just get in. That is something that has to change going forward.

[AirP.]

If the goal is a championship, it doesn't really matter much where you land in playoffs/play-in, you're going to have to beat at least 2 of the top teams in the league.

All that matters is acquiring a top-level talent and putting the right role-players around that talent, Butler was all in with Miami acquiring Lillard which meant he was fine being the #2, he was fine being the second option to Embiid, he doesn't have to be the top option. Go get a new #1 for offense which moves Butler to #2 and Bam to #3, everything else falls into place since at least 2 of those 3 can play high level defense.

Even if you tank, you better hope that draft has some stars in it because if it doesn't, you were bad and also wasted another year for nothing. The FO needs to figure out how many players they think could be a #1 for a championship team with Butler and Bam (not carry a team by themselves) and go after them instead of just looking at the top guy and ignoring everyone else.

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[carnageta]

If the goal is a championship, it doesn't really matter much where you land in playoffs/play-in, you're going to have to beat at least 2 of the top teams in the league.

All that matters is acquiring a top-level talent and putting the right role-players around that talent, Butler was all in with Miami acquiring Lillard which meant he was fine being the #2, he was fine being the second option to Embiid, he doesn't have to be the top option. Go get a new #1 for offense which moves Butler to #2 and Bam to #3, everything else falls into place since at least 2 of those 3 can play high level defense.

Even if you tank, you better hope that draft has some stars in it because if it doesn't, you were bad and also wasted another year for nothing. The FO needs to figure out how many players they think could be a #1 for a championship team with Butler and Bam (not carry a team by themselves) and go after them instead of just looking at the top guy and ignoring everyone else.

Meh, slightly disagree. Seeding can play a big factor. For example, we would have had a much better shot against NY without Jimmy than Boston. Had we won that Philly game, there was a greater probability of us reaching the ECF - by which Jimmy could have made it back by. Yes, we would still likely play Boston (the top seed) in the CF (if we made it that far) - but we could have been healthier by then and perhaps they could have had several injuries piled up also at that point.

Even in 2020-2021 - the year we got swept by the Bucks; we finished 1 game behind Atlanta for the 5th seed. Had we gotten the 5th seed we would have played a Julius Randle led NY Knicks - whom are a much more favourable matchup than the hungry Bucks that had recently acquired Jrue Holiday. And then who knows what would have happened from there. Does Bryan Forbes still average 15ppg against us if we met in the ECF, as opposed to the first round? It all changes.

[AirP.]

If the goal is a championship, it doesn't really matter much where you land in playoffs/play-in, you're going to have to beat at least 2 of the top teams in the league.

All that matters is acquiring a top-level talent and putting the right role-players around that talent, Butler was all in with Miami acquiring Lillard which meant he was fine being the #2, he was fine being the second option to Embiid, he doesn't have to be the top option. Go get a new #1 for offense which moves Butler to #2 and Bam to #3, everything else falls into place since at least 2 of those 3 can play high level defense.

Even if you tank, you better hope that draft has some stars in it because if it doesn't, you were bad and also wasted another year for nothing. The FO needs to figure out how many players they think could be a #1 for a championship team with Butler and Bam (not carry a team by themselves) and go after them instead of just looking at the top guy and ignoring everyone else.

Meh, slightly disagree. Seeding can play a big factor. For example, we would have had a much better shot against NY without Jimmy than Boston. Had we won that Philly game, there was a greater probability of us reaching the ECF - by which Jimmy could have made it back by. Yes, we would still likely play Boston (the top seed) in the CF (if we made it that far) - but we could have been healthier by then and perhaps they could have had several injuries piled up also at that point.

Even in 2020-2021 - the year we got swept by the Bucks; we finished 1 game behind Atlanta for the 5th seed. Had we gotten the 5th seed we would have played a Julius Randle led NY Knicks - whom are a much more favourable matchup than the hungry Bucks that had recently acquired Jrue Holiday. And then who knows what would have happened from there. Does Bryan Forbes still average 15ppg against us if we met in the ECF, as opposed to the first round? It all changes.

And yet...that sweep was coming, just in a different round. It's why I said if you're about championships it really doesn't matter. I think Denver wins the championship if they were the 8th seed last year, most NBA champions could have won the title in much lower seeds.

To me, winning a championship is putting the best team on the court and having great health. A healthy 2020 Heat team may have won the Bubble Championship. A healthy Miami team last year meaning Butler not hurt had a shot the way he was playing. Denver went through major health issues themselves with Murray and Porter before finally having good health through the playoffs last year.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

If the goal is a championship, it doesn't really matter much where you land in playoffs/play-in, you're going to have to beat at least 2 of the top teams in the league.

All that matters is acquiring a top-level talent and putting the right role-players around that talent, Butler was all in with Miami acquiring Lillard which meant he was fine being the #2, he was fine being the second option to Embiid, he doesn't have to be the top option. Go get a new #1 for offense which moves Butler to #2 and Bam to #3, everything else falls into place since at least 2 of those 3 can play high level defense.

Even if you tank, you better hope that draft has some stars in it because if it doesn't, you were bad and also wasted another year for nothing. The FO needs to figure out how many players they think could be a #1 for a championship team with Butler and Bam (not carry a team by themselves) and go after them instead of just looking at the top guy and ignoring everyone else.

Meh, slightly disagree. Seeding can play a big factor. For example, we would have had a much better shot against NY without Jimmy than Boston. Had we won that Philly game, there was a greater probability of us reaching the ECF - by which Jimmy could have made it back by. Yes, we would still likely play Boston (the top seed) in the CF (if we made it that far) - but we could have been healthier by then and perhaps they could have had several injuries piled up also at that point.

Even in 2020-2021 - the year we got swept by the Bucks; we finished 1 game behind Atlanta for the 5th seed. Had we gotten the 5th seed we would have played a Julius Randle led NY Knicks - whom are a much more favourable matchup than the hungry Bucks that had recently acquired Jrue Holiday. And then who knows what would have happened from there. Does Bryan Forbes still average 15ppg against us if we met in the ECF, as opposed to the first round? It all changes.

And yet...that sweep was coming, just in a different round. It's why I said if you're about championships it really doesn't matter. I think Denver wins the championship if they were the 8th seed last year, most NBA champions could have won the title in much lower seeds.

To me, winning a championship is putting the best team on the court and having great health. A healthy 2020 Heat team may have won the Bubble Championship. A healthy Miami team last year meaning Butler not hurt had a shot the way he was playing. Denver went through major health issues themselves with Murray and Porter before finally having good health through the playoffs last year.

Outside of what carnageta said seeding matters for the simple fact that our best player would be healthy right now if we didn’t have to play unnecessary games due to bad positioning.

[carnageta]

If the goal is a championship, it doesn't really matter much where you land in playoffs/play-in, you're going to have to beat at least 2 of the top teams in the league.

All that matters is acquiring a top-level talent and putting the right role-players around that talent, Butler was all in with Miami acquiring Lillard which meant he was fine being the #2, he was fine being the second option to Embiid, he doesn't have to be the top option. Go get a new #1 for offense which moves Butler to #2 and Bam to #3, everything else falls into place since at least 2 of those 3 can play high level defense.

Even if you tank, you better hope that draft has some stars in it because if it doesn't, you were bad and also wasted another year for nothing. The FO needs to figure out how many players they think could be a #1 for a championship team with Butler and Bam (not carry a team by themselves) and go after them instead of just looking at the top guy and ignoring everyone else.

Meh, slightly disagree. Seeding can play a big factor. For example, we would have had a much better shot against NY without Jimmy than Boston. Had we won that Philly game, there was a greater probability of us reaching the ECF - by which Jimmy could have made it back by. Yes, we would still likely play Boston (the top seed) in the CF (if we made it that far) - but we could have been healthier by then and perhaps they could have had several injuries piled up also at that point.

Even in 2020-2021 - the year we got swept by the Bucks; we finished 1 game behind Atlanta for the 5th seed. Had we gotten the 5th seed we would have played a Julius Randle led NY Knicks - whom are a much more favourable matchup than the hungry Bucks that had recently acquired Jrue Holiday. And then who knows what would have happened from there. Does Bryan Forbes still average 15ppg against us if we met in the ECF, as opposed to the first round? It all changes.

And yet...that sweep was coming, just in a different round. It's why I said if you're about championships it really doesn't matter. I think Denver wins the championship if they were the 8th seed last year, most NBA champions could have won the title in much lower seeds.

To me, winning a championship is putting the best team on the court and having great health. A healthy 2020 Heat team may have won the Bubble Championship. A healthy Miami team last year meaning Butler not hurt had a shot the way he was playing. Denver went through major health issues themselves with Murray and Porter before finally having good health through the playoffs last year.

There's absolutely no guarantee we would get swept by Milwaukee in 2021 if we played them in the ECF as opposed to the first round.

[AirP.]

Meh, slightly disagree. Seeding can play a big factor. For example, we would have had a much better shot against NY without Jimmy than Boston. Had we won that Philly game, there was a greater probability of us reaching the ECF - by which Jimmy could have made it back by. Yes, we would still likely play Boston (the top seed) in the CF (if we made it that far) - but we could have been healthier by then and perhaps they could have had several injuries piled up also at that point.

Even in 2020-2021 - the year we got swept by the Bucks; we finished 1 game behind Atlanta for the 5th seed. Had we gotten the 5th seed we would have played a Julius Randle led NY Knicks - whom are a much more favourable matchup than the hungry Bucks that had recently acquired Jrue Holiday. And then who knows what would have happened from there. Does Bryan Forbes still average 15ppg against us if we met in the ECF, as opposed to the first round? It all changes.

And yet...that sweep was coming, just in a different round. It's why I said if you're about championships it really doesn't matter. I think Denver wins the championship if they were the 8th seed last year, most NBA champions could have won the title in much lower seeds.

To me, winning a championship is putting the best team on the court and having great health. A healthy 2020 Heat team may have won the Bubble Championship. A healthy Miami team last year meaning Butler not hurt had a shot the way he was playing. Denver went through major health issues themselves with Murray and Porter before finally having good health through the playoffs last year.

There's absolutely no guarantee we would get swept by Milwaukee in 2021 if we played them in the ECF as opposed to the first round.

No, but highly likely since the Heat look tired in that first round with such a quick turn around from the previous year, can't imagine how tired they be after 2 rounds, at the very least they had a high probability to lose a series vs the Bucks

[AirP.]

Meh, slightly disagree. Seeding can play a big factor. For example, we would have had a much better shot against NY without Jimmy than Boston. Had we won that Philly game, there was a greater probability of us reaching the ECF - by which Jimmy could have made it back by. Yes, we would still likely play Boston (the top seed) in the CF (if we made it that far) - but we could have been healthier by then and perhaps they could have had several injuries piled up also at that point.

Even in 2020-2021 - the year we got swept by the Bucks; we finished 1 game behind Atlanta for the 5th seed. Had we gotten the 5th seed we would have played a Julius Randle led NY Knicks - whom are a much more favourable matchup than the hungry Bucks that had recently acquired Jrue Holiday. And then who knows what would have happened from there. Does Bryan Forbes still average 15ppg against us if we met in the ECF, as opposed to the first round? It all changes.

And yet...that sweep was coming, just in a different round. It's why I said if you're about championships it really doesn't matter. I think Denver wins the championship if they were the 8th seed last year, most NBA champions could have won the title in much lower seeds.

To me, winning a championship is putting the best team on the court and having great health. A healthy 2020 Heat team may have won the Bubble Championship. A healthy Miami team last year meaning Butler not hurt had a shot the way he was playing. Denver went through major health issues themselves with Murray and Porter before finally having good health through the playoffs last year.

Outside of what carnageta said seeding matters for the simple fact that our best player would be healthy right now if we didn’t have to play unnecessary games due to bad positioning.

Would he or would he have gotten a worse injury playing harder in the regular season? It's quite possible he would have gotten hurt in the regular season playing his rugged style more on a Wednesday night in January?

Don't get me wrong, I think all this time off and way less practices are making player's body more prone to injuries by not being used to the physicality of games, but overall putting less miles on them is probably prolonging their careers where they can make more money (which is why I think most are doing it).

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[Tony15]

Embiid getting put on lockdown by Mitchell Robinson.....

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[3ammy3uck3ts]

Embiid getting put on lockdown by Mitchell Robinson.....

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Career choke artist this is nothing new, Bam is the 2nd best center in the league when it comes to who you want on your team in the playoffs

[Wiltside]

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[Wiltside]

Atleast Lowry still looks washed

[Tony15]

Atleast Lowry still looks washed

0 points, 5 fouls....only a matter of time. Guess he only had it for us.

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[3ammy3uck3ts]

Another playoffs, another year of Embiid being injured and choking on top of it. It literally NEVER fails. He will
Never be healthy in the playoffs

[Wiltside]

Damn, Maxey is balling man.