Miami Heat Regular Season Thread 6.0 -Everything's Gonna Be All Wright

[IceColdCubano]

Heat are too undermanned and they are too stacked. Crazy that Herro was even able to steal a game from them on the road.

To be fair give Miami Heat credit for hitting wide open shots in game 2 as you should, but I think it had more to do with the soft azz defense that Boston played more than Miami doing anything special. You can look absolutely great if the other team is playing lackadaisical defense, not closing on shooters, not even getting a hand up on late contest, going under every screen just outright letting Miami shot as comfortable as possible, for gods sake there was 23 uncontested three pointers. Fast forward the next 2 games when they realized they couldn't just sleep walk through this series and actually tried playing defense, were no longer capable of even staying in a game against them, shooting or otherwise.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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The Fraudfather needs to sacrifice his beloved Herro if he wants to be great.

Leave it to Sleepy Patrick James Riley to finally trade someone when their value has hit an all time low

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Heat are too undermanned and they are too stacked. Crazy that Herro was even able to steal a game from them on the road.

Stop

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[MettaWorldPanda]

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Yup. Anyone can bring up the ball.

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[3ammy3uck3ts]

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Not if we take him first!!!

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[Bishop45]

As good as Bam is, his toolkit is too limited to take over and win us a game-- he's a 2nd or third support player and rebuild doesn't start until the 2nd/1st option arrives. Maybe we can be turrible enough next year to get one or our assets raise their profile high enough for trade

[AirP.]

Heat are too undermanned and they are too stacked. Crazy that Herro was even able to steal a game from them on the road.

To be fair give Miami Heat credit for hitting wide open shots in game 2 as you should, but I think it had more to do with the soft azz defense that Boston played more than Miami doing anything special. You can look absolutely great if the other team is playing lackadaisical defense, not closing on shooters, not even getting a hand up on late contest, going under every screen just outright letting Miami shot as comfortable as possible, for gods sake there was 23 uncontested three pointers. Fast forward the next 2 games when they realized they couldn't just sleep walk through this series and actually tried playing defense, were no longer capable of even staying in a game against them, shooting or otherwise.

You're correct but Herro did take advantage of the space and had a great game. On a normal night those 14 assists may have only been 6-8 assists. The real issue is that type of defense won't be happening all that much in the playoffs, even more so deeper in the playoffs.

Herro needs an up-tempo, open space offense like Indiana's and Miami's isn't like that since they hang their hat on defense.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

As good as Bam is, his toolkit is too limited to take over and win us a game-- he's a 2nd or third support player and rebuild doesn't start until the 2nd/1st option arrives. Maybe we can be turrible enough next year to get one or our assets raise their profile high enough for trade

He’ll be better next year, that 3 ball is going to be even more polished especially after these regular season and playoff reps.

On 22 shots I would’ve liked 30-35 points minimum but outside of that can’t complain too much. 17 boards and 5 assists while holding the Celtics to 102 points, can’t really expect too much more. If we’re missing 3s and letting their 4th/5th option go for 40 there’s really no chance of us winning. If we’re 12/33 from 3 and Herro and Bam hit a couple more shots we’re looking at a completely different game. Well that and not playing Love in the 1st half

I think this looks alot different with Jimmy Rozier and Duncan, this Celtics team really isn’t special

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[RexBoyWonder]

Honestly - Lame season could've ended much better with a bit more health. But we had a chit season with chit injury luck. Which led to a chit ending.

It is what it is, we overachieved for like 5 years.

Time to build the next great Heat team.

Bam is the only lock, everyone else is a traceable asset.

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[Kobewade11]

Why can't we have young players we can make a franchise cornerstone like SGA and Ant?

Both these guys had the killer instinct to go for the jugular and SWEEP their opponents. Meanwhile we gotta beg Bam to attack and get shots up when they actually matter, and ask Tyler to shoot above 40% if its not too much trouble

Because we refuse to do the dirty work that is needed to get those type of players. You need to rebuild, you need to tank, you need to get into the lottery to get those players for the most part. Thats how we got Wade but for whatever reason we are to arrogant do to what needs to be done. The Spurs tanked and then they got Wemby.

I’m bringing this over to the season thread because I think its worth a broader discussion.

Last time a lot of ppl here wanted to tank was for Fultz, I can link the posts. We ended up with Bam in that draft.

In general you’re right that you do need high end lottery picks for those blue chip guys. The problem is the draft is not an exact science, unless you’re getting a truly generational prospect it often takes multiple swings at the top of the lottery in order to get it right - and even then you may require additional luck. We got Wade because we lucked up that other teams passed up on him.

We’re not talking about established veterans here: Mitchell, Lavine, Young, etc. The up and coming blue chip guys, there are only 2 routes to get them. The question is does this fanbase have the patience to (1) sit through 2-3 consecutive sub 25 win seasons - because unless you get the generational guy on the first at bat that is what you are proposing. OR, (2) selling off Jimmy/Bam ala Paul George/SGA. Its easy to say in practice “oh yea im fine sitting thru a few 08-esque seasons because we are building” its another thing to actually experience it.

[MHeat0279]

Why can't we have young players we can make a franchise cornerstone like SGA and Ant?

Both these guys had the killer instinct to go for the jugular and SWEEP their opponents. Meanwhile we gotta beg Bam to attack and get shots up when they actually matter, and ask Tyler to shoot above 40% if its not too much trouble

Because we refuse to do the dirty work that is needed to get those type of players. You need to rebuild, you need to tank, you need to get into the lottery to get those players for the most part. Thats how we got Wade but for whatever reason we are to arrogant do to what needs to be done. The Spurs tanked and then they got Wemby.

I’m bringing this over to the season thread because I think its worth a broader discussion.

Last time a lot of ppl here wanted to tank was for Fultz, I can link the posts. We ended up with Bam in that draft.

In general you’re right that you do need high end lottery picks for those blue chip guys. The problem is the draft is not an exact science, unless you’re getting a truly generational prospect it often takes multiple swings at the top of the lottery in order to get it right - and even then you may require additional luck. We got Wade because we lucked up that other teams passed up on him.

We’re not talking about established veterans here: Mitchell, Lavine, Young, etc. The up and coming blue chip guys, there are only 2 routes to get them. The question is does this fanbase have the patience to (1) sit through 2-3 consecutive sub 25 win seasons - because unless you get the generational guy on the first at bat that is what you are proposing. OR, (2) selling off Jimmy/Bam ala Paul George/SGA. Its easy to say in practice “oh yea im fine sitting thru a few 08-esque seasons because we are building” its another thing to actually experience it.

But on the other hand, look at the teams winning the whole thing, they all have top tier talent, a lot of them through the draft, they might not come as an all star but if you have a good organization and pick the right talent then you have a gem in your hands, look at Giannis and Jokic, they were not what they are today when they got drafted. Now if you pick a player like Bam thinking he will be a generational talent then you failed your drafting exam. We need a top tier talent here in order to win, not Bam, not an aging Jimmy Buttler, at this point in their career they are good complementary players once you have that number one option. We do not need guards who can not defend either, what good is if you can score 20-25 a game but you also allow the same or more amount of points. We have been messing up for a while now, we dont need a Herro and we definitely dont need a Duncan, much less a Rozier, guards who can not play a lick of defense should not be part of this team, except in very very limited minutes. The only way you risk having a no defense player is if you get somebody like Damian, of course maybe younger. Average players with no defensive abilities should not be part of the Miami Heat, this is not our culture, we have veered so far away from what this team has always been about I can not even recognized the Miami Heat anymore. Then trying to cover up our horrible front office's moves by having player like Highsmith and company playing in a professional NBA team is just disrespectful to the fans, the product we are showcasing is putrid and pathetic and this is all in the front office and their disgusting management of salary and picks.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Tanking is not and has not ever been the answer. What is the most recent championship won by a tanking team? Im genuinely curious

Doesn’t really matter where you draft as long as you hit on your picks. We hit on Bam, Jaime and Jovic seem to be solid hits but we’ll see with more time if that’s the case, Herro hasn’t impacted winning. Picking Maxey over Precious could’ve been the game changer in us winning a championship tbh but you also can’t hit on them all. You need to draft good and you need to be able to attract elite talent, we have done both but now we have to capitalize on the elite talent that wants to join the team.

[Kobewade11]

But on the other hand, look at the teams winning the whole thing, they all have top tier talent, a lot of them through the draft, they might not come as an all star but if you have a good organization and pick the right talent then you have a gem in your hands, look at Giannis and Jokic, they were not what they are today when they got drafted. Now if you pick a player like Bam thinking he will be a generational talent then you failed your drafting exam. We need a top tier talent here in order to win, not Bam, not an aging Jimmy Buttler, at this point in their career they are good complementary players once you have that number one option. We do not need guards who can not defend either, what good is if you can score 20-25 a game but you also allow the same or more amount of points. We have been messing up for a while now, we dont need a Herro and we definitely dont need a Duncan, much less a Rozier, guards who can not play a lick of defense should not be part of this team, except in very very limited minutes. The only way you risk having a no defense player is if you get somebody like Damian, of course maybe younger. Average players with no defensive abilities should not be part of the Miami Heat, this is not our culture, we have veered so far away from what this team has always been about I can not even recognized the Miami Heat anymore. Then trying to cover up our horrible front office's moves by having player like Highsmith and company playing in a professional NBA team is just disrespectful to the fans, the product we are showcasing is putrid and pathetic and this is all in the front office and their disgusting management of salary and picks.

I’m not making the argument that Bam is a ‘generational’ talent, in the context of the original post (how to get guys like Anthony Edwards and SGA) you either have to be bad enough consistently to be at or near the top 5 of the draft, or you have to be willing to part with all-star players (Jimmy/Bam), that is how OKC got Shai. I was highlighting Bam as a flaw in putting all your chips into the draft, a lot of people wanted to tank for Fultz and we ended up with the superior player.

Interesting you say Giannis and Jokic are not what they are today when they got drafted, but if they were in Miami you would likely be trying to ship them out for Donovan Mitchell this summer.

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[eddieheatfan]

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show that stat when it translate in to wins. that's the ultimate state that i care. sorry for being petulant