Miami Heat Offseason Thread vol. 1: Post Mortem

[Beenie]

Spoiler:

Nope. Thats extreme Beenie.

3 years in the lottery max.

This year thru trades.

Next year as we bottom out.

One more year as everyone tries to figure it out.

Then push for FA acquisitions and playoffs.

A mere 3 years seems like a pipe dream to me if the idea is to build around Jaquez and Jovic.

Like them both a lot but neither are Michaels.

And the way the culture of free agency operates, it’s a pipe dream to think that a marquee player would sign in Mia without there already being one on the roster to pair with.

To link this thread topic to the Maxie thread topic, had Mia drafted him and then decided to destroy and rebuild the team with him as their centerpiece, your 3 year window prediction would seem more realistic.

Probably wouldn't have to even consider rebuilding had they drafted Maxie.

That’s true. Point I’m arguing though is in order to execute an expedited rebuild, you got to have high end talent ie a player like Maxey.

The road to the playoffs would be much longer if traveled with Jovic and Jaquez as the featured drivers

[Flash4thewin]

I can’t see Jimmy causing a scene and burning the bridge with the one team in the league that accepted him for who he was and brought the best out of him (yes I know Airp he did a ton for us too) I don’t think it comes to that and I think he retires here.

If not then yea go the Mitchell route and save the assets for a 3rd guy

Jimmy will burn this team to the ground smiling. This is not a Dame situation, dude will give no F.

[MettaWorldPanda]

I know a lot of folks in here like Jovic and of course I also see a long term vision with him but for some reason I don't think Spo shares those same feelings. Something tells me he was forced to play him a little more then he liked this year and it was pretty telling during the Boston series that he was just not happy with his play. Would not shock me one bit to see him dealt this offseason as a carrot to make a deal work. I could see a complete collapse in here when it happens. Something along the lines of Winslow dealt to the Grizzlies type of emotional outburst lol

This is wild take. Like you made this up in your head then put it out there. Did anyone agree with you on this? If you look at a little deeper you'd remember he had back spams and often times those don't really work out that well once you cool off and then beyond he's had the knee issue. Basically Spo sees how badly he wants it he wouldn't be wasting his GUY Caron on him if that wasn't the case. You guys paint this picture of Spo like the dude's Darth Vader.

What's so wild about this take? That Spo was uncomfortable trusting a 20 year old year old who was clearly in way over his head in these playoffs? He basically trusted Haywood Highsmith alot more then he did Jovic. Jovic's body language also stunk when he would miss easy shots and the moment might have gotten to big for him. That's ok he's only 20 years old. Once again WOULD NOT SHOCK ME if Jovic is included in a deal that brings back a more ready and win now veteran that Spo can trust.

[Beenie]

A mere 3 years seems like a pipe dream to me if the idea is to build around Jaquez and Jovic.

Like them both a lot but neither are Michaels.

And the way the culture of free agency operates, it’s a pipe dream to think that a marquee player would sign in Mia without there already being one on the roster to pair with.

To link this thread topic to the Maxie thread topic, had Mia drafted him and then decided to destroy and rebuild the team with him as their centerpiece, your 3 year window prediction would seem more realistic.

Not building around JJJ and Jovic. The bottoming out plan would line us up nicely with the next years draft studs-Dylan Harper, Ace Bailey, Cooper Flagg. Those are the 3 youd want as center pieces. Build around them.

Wait a year in hopes of drafting one of them and then waiting for them to develop to the point of the team making the playoffs is already breaching your 3 year window it seems.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I can’t see Jimmy causing a scene and burning the bridge with the one team in the league that accepted him for who he was and brought the best out of him (yes I know Airp he did a ton for us too) I don’t think it comes to that and I think he retires here.

If not then yea go the Mitchell route and save the assets for a 3rd guy

Jimmy will burn this team to the ground smiling. This is not a Dame situation, dude will give no F.

Nah we move different over here, we don’t play that **** and you saw it on the bench when he got fired up at Spo and got put back in his place REAL quick. He ain’t burning anything to the ground

[Flash4thewin]

The Heat are not trading Herro for the simple reason that no other team wants him. They are stuck with Herro and that contract. Truth sucks, but it’s still the reality of the situation.

Someone will trade for him, the question is what kind of package are they willing to give up. Chicago might be willing to do a package centered around Herro and LaVine. I would think Brooklyn would give Miami B.Simmon's expiring contract to take a flyer on Herro. These are probably worst case scenarios although LaVine probably could help Miami's offensive issues with 3 of his last 4 years having a TS% over .600.

No way the Nets touch that. Simmons might be the most valuable moving player because he is a 40 million dollar expiring and is key to getting a star player via cap space or trade. LaVine might be a realistic option but we need to remember he is with Klutch so who knows.

[DayofMourning]

A mere 3 years seems like a pipe dream to me if the idea is to build around Jaquez and Jovic.

Like them both a lot but neither are Michaels.

And the way the culture of free agency operates, it’s a pipe dream to think that a marquee player would sign in Mia without there already being one on the roster to pair with.

To link this thread topic to the Maxie thread topic, had Mia drafted him and then decided to destroy and rebuild the team with him as their centerpiece, your 3 year window prediction would seem more realistic.

Not building around JJJ and Jovic. The bottoming out plan would line us up nicely with the next years draft studs-Dylan Harper, Ace Bailey, Cooper Flagg. Those are the 3 youd want as center pieces. Build around them.

Wait a year in hopes of drafting one of them and then waiting for them to develop to the point of the team making the playoffs is already breaching your 3 year window it seems.

Oh well. Nobody is perfect. Its a clear direction though.

[MettaWorldPanda]

The Heat are not trading Herro for the simple reason that no other team wants him. They are stuck with Herro and that contract. Truth sucks, but it’s still the reality of the situation.

Someone will trade for him, the question is what kind of package are they willing to give up. Chicago might be willing to do a package centered around Herro and LaVine. I would think Brooklyn would give Miami B.Simmon's expiring contract to take a flyer on Herro. These are probably worst case scenarios although LaVine probably could help Miami's offensive issues with 3 of his last 4 years having a TS% over .600.

No way the Nets touch that. Simmons might be the most valuable moving player because he is a 40 million dollar expiring and is key to getting a star player via cap space or trade. LaVine might be a realistic option but we need to remember he is with Klutch so who knows.

Nets already have a Herro in Cam Thomas. They’ll be trying to use that Simmons contract with picks to get in the Mitchell running. LaVine and his antics over in Chicago will probably be a big turn off for us and especially since he’s Klutch controlled. Still like the Brandon Ingram angle with Jeff Schwartz.

[jbsays]

How is Jimmy going to "burn this franchise" to the ground? Dude made $45 million this year and coasted in the regular season to be ready for the playoffs. Then he got hurt in the play in game vs. 76ers and didn't even play in the win against the Bulls. And then he played as many minutes as you or I did in the first round against the Celtics. What exactly could he do that would be worse than that?

Only way I resign him to additional years is if Heat can get someone like Durant who is the same age. Then you plan for the next 3 years with Butler, Durant, and Bam and worry about rebuilding after that with Bam still around at 29. Even then Butler and KD are 9-10 years older than the Celtics.

I don't feel bad for any of these guys getting $45 million to play basketball if a team decides to trade them. It's one of the best jobs in the world. You know Arison can't be happy paying him $45 million for him to "load manage" and miss the playoffs completely.

[Rapaz]

Pay Jimmy what he wants. Every cent of it.

[carnageta]

Imagine prime Rashad Lewis on this team. He would be the absolute perfect pf next to Bam.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Pay Jimmy what he wants. Every cent of it.

No questions asked. If I can get through paying fat ass Lowry 30 mil plus from age 37-39 I can be more then fine paying Jimmy 50 per for 35-37.

[al bondiga]

How is Jimmy going to "burn this franchise" to the ground? Dude made $45 million this year and coasted in the regular season to be ready for the playoffs. Then he got hurt in the play in game vs. 76ers and didn't even play in the win against the Bulls. And then he played as many minutes as you or I did in the first round against the Celtics. What exactly could he do that would be worse than that?

Only way I resign him to additional years is if Heat can get someone like Durant who is the same age. Then you plan for the next 3 years with Butler, Durant, and Bam and worry about rebuilding after that with Bam still around at 29. Even then Butler and KD are 9-10 years older than the Celtics.

I don't feel bad for any of these guys getting $45 million to play basketball if a team decides to trade them. It's one of the best jobs in the world. You know Arison can't be happy paying him $45 million for him to "load manage" and miss the playoffs completely.

jb Is Probably a killer in every aspect... If it suits his own ego he would burn anything to ground or anyone... Those kind of players are usually like that

The more important factor is that pat knows who he's dealing with (think he knows) remember the winning jb has Done comes at a cost.

jb Is not a monster , far from it ! but let's not fantasize about who he is

[ZoStrong]

How does one player burn down an organization? You guy watching too much dramas on TV, lol

Riley, Spo n Heat org has a lot of respect around the league among executives, agents and players. Sure, not all players are cut out for Heat culture but enough players out there who love to play for Heat and Spo.

Jimmy can sit out for all I care, but one player whoever it is can't burn down decades of proven excellence.

[Beenie]

Imagine prime Rashad Lewis on this team. He would be the absolute perfect pf next to Bam.

Shawn Marion

AK47

Gerald Wallace

[Dmcdani6]

Pay Jimmy what he wants. Every cent of it.

No questions asked. If I can get through paying fat ass Lowry 30 mil plus from age 37-39 I can be more then fine paying Jimmy 50 per for 35-37.

I agree w/ this. I dont think there is any other choice anyway. Think Heat is in purgatory for a bit until they draft a stud, or one of the young bucks get real good. Getting someone thru FA just seems unlikely, but you never know

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Imagine prime Rashad Lewis on this team. He would be the absolute perfect pf next to Bam.

Shawn Marion

AK47

Gerald Wallace

Defensively those would be crazy fits, offensively you just went 0-3 like Herro in the first 3 minutes of the 1st

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Pay Jimmy what he wants. Every cent of it.

No questions asked. If I can get through paying fat ass Lowry 30 mil plus from age 37-39 I can be more then fine paying Jimmy 50 per for 35-37.

You do have a point, it was the rumored 3-4 extra years at $70M that worried me lol

[Beenie]

Imagine prime Rashad Lewis on this team. He would be the absolute perfect pf next to Bam.

Shawn Marion

AK47

Gerald Wallace

Defensively those would be crazy fits, offensively you just went 0-3 like Herro in the first 3 minutes of the 1st

They all score without the benefit of any plays being called for them

Fixes Mia rebounding woes

[twix2500]

This team is not a stretch power forward away, so don't start it. Take your Mcroberts antiserum medicine