PG Pacers Game 3: Loss

[JayMKE]

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[MiltownMadness]

People get blinded by one game and it was a loss. Lol

Think this year has sucked so bad, we’ve lowered expections to where we are overjoyed with Middleton doing a great nostalgia act. Like seeing Mick Jagger belt out a great version of Jumpin Jack Flash at age 80.

This is a super depressing place if you interpret people here as overjoyed

And Mids has been good all year when healthy, was predictable (expected) he would show up for the playoffs

[MiltownMadness]

Khris will most likely finish this series with around 30/6/6 averages on great TS% after being our best player in the playoffs last year as well. But yeah super washed and when he does great we have to call it nostalgia performances. LOL

[paulpressey25]

This is a super depressing place if you interpret people here as overjoyed

And Mids has been good all year when healthy, was predictable (expected) he would show up for the playoffs

Let me rephrase it. Some folks on here seem to feel that all we need to do is perhaps add "Herb Jones" to the roster, and we're right back as a top 4 title favorite.

I don't subscribe to that. I think we're closer to the 2024 Phoenix Suns, than the 2018-2023 Milwaukee Bucks

The owners need to bring Giannis in for the breakfast, and see if he'll subscribe to a major overhaul. And that doesn't always mean tanking. In the case of the 1980's Bucks, they found a patsy in the Clippers, who took Marques, Junior and Harvey for TC, Pierce and Hodges. The three older guys we dealt were local legends, but we got three much younger guys, and amazingly they all panned out in their own way.

[MiltownMadness]

This is a super depressing place if you interpret people here as overjoyed

And Mids has been good all year when healthy, was predictable (expected) he would show up for the playoffs

Let me rephrase it. Some folks on here seem to feel that all we need to do is perhaps add "Herb Jones" to the roster, and we're right back as a top 4 title favorite.

I don't subscribe to that. I think we're closer to the 2024 Phoenix Suns, than the 2018-2023 Milwaukee Bucks

The owners need to bring Giannis in for the breakfast, and see if he'll subscribe to a major overhaul. And that doesn't always mean tanking. In the case of the 1980's Bucks, they found a patsy in the Clippers, who took Marques, Junior and Harvey for TC, Pierce and Hodges. The three older guys we dealt were local legends, but we got three much younger guys, and amazingly they all panned out in their own way.

You're talking about trading Khris. No. He won't fetch much in a trade and is hilariously undervalued even by Bucks fans. You keep the big 3 together next year, this will work if they can stay healthy.

You mention the lack of RS wins constantly but seem to ignore every other variable. The big 3 are great

[skones]

Giannis game isn't strictly based on athleticism and his production is at an all time high, it would be dumb to trade him and this franchise would never live it down. Trading Dame, Khris, Brook is easy, they aint winning ****. Dame isn't leading this team to **** on his own, he can score but that's not enough and his production is quickly falling.

Yes it is. Like who are we kidding here? He's 6'11 gets down hill and bullies you. His game hasn't evolved the way we had all hoped. He's gotten better at what he does well, but his skillset just never really expanded into more shooting, finesse, post skill etc. He's completely incapable playing off ball because he has no **** clue what to do. Why didn't Dame and Giannis take off as a pair? Giannis is the culprit. And we just watched a year of basketball that shows why Giannis won't age well. He COULD if he wanted to be a dominant roll man, but he won't. He'll keep doing the same thing he's always done while the impact and efficiency declines.

Its only been the opposite, Giannis isn't as athletic now than he was in his early twenties but gotten more efficient every year and his value is more than just 3 steps from half court. Why did Dame/Giannis not take off as a pair? Mostly because the Bucks don't run a real offense and both guys need to pound the ball, however Giannis's stats got better while it was Dame who was greatly diminished impact & efficiency wise. You can't blame Giannis for Dame not being able to create or play off the dribble, Giannis & Khris play off each way better. You have to admit its a Dame issue. Giannis could conceivably change his game given his unique skillset and would still be effective especially more defensive & creation focused on offense if he can't beat guys off the dribble or muscle thru them. Career bad defender is always going to be a bad defender, especially so the older they get.

Bud was a great coach who made what he was given work and was a master of load management, he's basically everything the team needs and will be the best coach available while we're stuck with Doc Rivers who lives ISOing and running starters into the ground.

I don't agree at all. Dame doesn't need to pound the ball because he can actually play off ball, Giannis does pound the rock, and cant. Giannis is hard for anyone to play with because teams load up the paint to stop him. When Giannis doesn't have the ball, he sits on the perimeter and calls for it because it's the only way he actually knows how to play. The problem is Giannis and it will continue to be so. Dame, and most other high volume scorers, like to get to the rim to compliment their shooting, and Giannis makes it harder to get to those spots, because again, teams load up the paint for him. Dame's shot distribution this season reflects that. This is why Khris is a fit, because Khris doesn't get to the rim.

[Fotis St]

Khris will most like finish this series with around 30/6/6 averages on great TS% after being our best player in the playoffs last year as well. But yeah super washed and when he does great we have to call it nostalgia performances. LOL

He is healthy cause Giannis + Lillard carried ALL the regular season load. I like his numbers ONLY cause his trade value remains high enough to ship him somewhere and get a good return

[fan230]

Giannis game isn't strictly based on athleticism and his production is at an all time high, it would be dumb to trade him and this franchise would never live it down. Trading Dame, Khris, Brook is easy, they aint winning ****. Dame isn't leading this team to **** on his own, he can score but that's not enough and his production is quickly falling.

Yes it is. Like who are we kidding here? He's 6'11 gets down hill and bullies you. His game hasn't evolved the way we had all hoped. He's gotten better at what he does well, but his skillset just never really expanded into more shooting, finesse, post skill etc. He's completely incapable playing off ball because he has no **** clue what to do. Why didn't Dame and Giannis take off as a pair? Giannis is the culprit. And we just watched a year of basketball that shows why Giannis won't age well. He COULD if he wanted to be a dominant roll man, but he won't. He'll keep doing the same thing he's always done while the impact and efficiency declines.

Its only been the opposite, Giannis isn't as athletic now than he was in his early twenties but gotten more efficient every year and his value is more than just 3 steps from half court. Why did Dame/Giannis not take off as a pair? Mostly because the Bucks don't run a real offense and both guys need to pound the ball, however Giannis's stats got better while it was Dame who was greatly diminished impact & efficiency wise. You can't blame Giannis for Dame not being able to create or play off the dribble, Giannis & Khris play off each way better. You have to admit its a Dame issue. Giannis could conceivably change his game given his unique skillset and would still be effective especially more defensive & creation focused on offense if he can't beat guys off the dribble or muscle thru them. Career bad defender is always going to be a bad defender, especially so the older they get.

Bud was a great coach who made what he was given work and was a master of load management, he's basically everything the team needs and will be the best coach available while we're stuck with Doc Rivers who lives ISOing and running starters into the ground.

I agree with both the paragraphs.

Dame cannot create for others. He is hunting for fouls which will not work and has not worked. His game is putting up long 3 pointers. I don’t see that changing. He is a terrific free throw shooter but a terrible defender.

A much bigger point in some sense is your second paragraph: Doc has run his starters into the ground. See the injuries to not only Giannis but also to Dame. Our chances of a championship has been single handedly ruined by Doc.

Nick Nurse although the best coach available out of the 3, was someone I didn’t want to be our coach for the same reason. He has been known to drive our starters to the ground.

Your words about Bud couldn’t be more accurate.

[paulpressey25]

You're talking about trading Khris. No. He won't fetch much in a trade and is hilariously undervalued even by Bucks fans. You keep the big 3 together next year, this will work if they can stay healthy

Narrator: They can't stay healthy

[MiltownMadness]

You're talking about trading Khris. No. He won't fetch much in a trade and is hilariously undervalued even by Bucks fans. You keep the big 3 together next year, this will work if they can stay healthy

Narrator: They can't stay healthy

Narrator: The centerpiece can't stay healthy, which nothing will ever work if he can't stay healthy. You see where this is going?

You're looking for answers in the wrong places, this is a Giannis thing.

[FrieAaron]

Man, so close to being up 2-1 and feeling a lot better about giving Giannis and Dame 3 extra days of rest

[paulpressey25]

This is a Giannis thing.

Yes and No. We were having all sorts of issue this season, when Giannis was healthy and dominating the league. Issues we didn't have a few years back.

Our guys got old. We downgraded at coach. We've blown all our future trade assets. If Giannis comes back 100% healthy, we still haven't solved those problems.

[MiltownMadness]

But you aren't saying any of this is Giannis is healthy, you know that this team didn't give a **** about the regular season. You know the coaching carousel we had. This other stuff you're saying is all noise and can only be said if Giannis is out with the performances of Khris and Dame, this is a slaughter if the MVP is healthy.

blown our future trade assets? dame could get a treasure chest by himself, we have FRP's. Get a grip

[MiltownMadness]

"Our guys got old"

Someone bring up the averages of Dame and Khris this series

[BroncoBuck]

Bobby is a 6th man being asked to do too much.

Brook Lopez is a 7 foot tall pool noodle. Tired of this **** with him.

Brook is here to play next to Giannis, their situations are not different. Both of them are being asked to do too much. Even 3 years ago he (Brook) was a 20-25 minute playoff guy. We both know Brook works as someone who uses his huge body to box out so others can get boards, demonstrated by bobby with near 20. This does not work as well when you don't have an ultra athletic alien roaming the court

Brook is a 7 foot tall mountain who cannot rebound the ball or finish inside, but also can’t defend on the perimeter. Horst needs to ship him out. Never should’ve been brought back.

[MiltownMadness]

Bobby is a 6th man being asked to do too much.

Brook Lopez is a 7 foot tall pool noodle. Tired of this **** with him.

Brook is here to play next to Giannis, their situations are not different. Both of them are being asked to do too much. Even 3 years ago he (Brook) was a 20-25 minute playoff guy. We both know Brook works as someone who uses his huge body to box out so others can get boards, demonstrated by bobby with near 20. This does not work as well when you don't have an ultra athletic alien roaming the court

Brook is a 7 foot tall mountain who cannot rebound the ball or finish inside, but also can’t defend on the perimeter. Horst needs to ship him out. Never should’ve been brought back.

I don't think you've understood what you're looking at the last 6 years

[FrieAaron]

"Our guys got old"

Someone bring up the averages of Dame and Khris this series

Yeah, we've definitely looked old this series, but it's the others that have been more of a problem than Dame and Khris. I'd be OK just retooling everything around them. I get the injury concerns, though. It's less that specifically one of them is always injured and more can we keep all three healthy at the same time? It's been three years since we could past the first round.

[ShootingtheJ]

This is a super depressing place if you interpret people here as overjoyed

And Mids has been good all year when healthy, was predictable (expected) he would show up for the playoffs

Let me rephrase it. Some folks on here seem to feel that all we need to do is perhaps add "Herb Jones" to the roster, and we're right back as a top 4 title favorite.

I don't subscribe to that. I think we're closer to the 2024 Phoenix Suns, than the 2018-2023 Milwaukee Bucks

The owners need to bring Giannis in for the breakfast, and see if he'll subscribe to a major overhaul. And that doesn't always mean tanking. In the case of the 1980's Bucks, they found a patsy in the Clippers, who took Marques, Junior and Harvey for TC, Pierce and Hodges. The three older guys we dealt were local legends, but we got three much younger guys, and amazingly they all panned out in their own way.

Also, they never were contenders. Rebuild around the core, not with it.

[MiltownMadness]

"Our guys got old"

Someone bring up the averages of Dame and Khris this series

Yeah, we've definitely looked old this series, but it's the others that have been more of a problem than Dame and Khris. I'd be OK just retooling everything around them. I get the injury concerns, though. It's less that one of them is always injured and more can we keep all three healthy at the same time? It's been three years since we could past the first round.

The only injury concern has been Giannis outside Khris in one season 2 years ago, people have this idea in their mind about Khris & Dame that isn't reality. It's all on Giannis.

totally agree with retooling around the edges, said that last page.

[BroncoBuck]

Brook is here to play next to Giannis, their situations are not different. Both of them are being asked to do too much. Even 3 years ago he (Brook) was a 20-25 minute playoff guy. We both know Brook works as someone who uses his huge body to box out so others can get boards, demonstrated by bobby with near 20. This does not work as well when you don't have an ultra athletic alien roaming the court

Brook is a 7 foot tall mountain who cannot rebound the ball or finish inside, but also can’t defend on the perimeter. Horst needs to ship him out. Never should’ve been brought back.

I don't think you've understood what you're looking at the last 6 years

I’ve watched Brook Lopez become practically unplayable in the playoffs the last three years. Watching him not defend Turner at the 3 point line while also not rebounding the ball has been the worst yet. We’re watching him miss layups against guards and complain about non foul calls for 20 minutes a night.