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OT: So the state wants a tax on video games? 

Post#1 » by NeedsMoreCheese » Sun Jan 6, 2008 5:04 am

I just heard this crap on the news. Heres an article i found on jsonline

MADISON, Wis. (AP) -- Gamers of Wisconsin, start saving your pennies. You'll have to dig deeper for your beloved "Halo 3," "Madden NFL 08" and "Grand Theft Auto" if a state lawmaker gets his way.

Sen. Jon Erpenbach has proposed a bill that would raise the age at which Wisconsin law considers a person an adult in criminal court from 17 to 18. That means the juvenile justice system would have to accommodate 17-year-olds, driving up costs for counties that administer court procedures, treatment and education for juvenile delinquents.

Enter the gamers - and their wallets.

Erpenbach's measure would pay for the new expenses by creating a new power pill for the counties: a 1 percent surcharge on video games and video game consoles such as Wii systems, Xboxes and PlayStations. The fee would translate to about 60 cents more on the $60 "Halo 3" or $2.50 more on a $250 Wii.

The surcharge would be the first on video games and consoles to support juvenile justice in the country, according to the Entertainment Software Association.

The group's CEO, Michael Gallagher, blasted the idea. He said the surcharge amounts to a discriminatory tax, wrongly implies a link between video games and crime, and would stunt the video game industry in Wisconsin.

"It negatively impacts the hundreds of Wisconsin citizens whose jobs and families depend on the computer and video game industry," Gallagher said.

Erpenbach, a Middleton Democrat, said he doesn't believe video games cause crime. He was simply searching for a revenue stream to cover his bill, he said.

"Here's one idea to pay for it," he said. "If you have another one, fine."

Kaethe Paynter, 36, of Madison, loves to play "Jak and Daxter" and "Ratchet and Clank" on PlayStation 2 with her son, 21-year-old Tristan Rondu. She said 1 percent more amounts to almost nothing for consumers and the money would go to a good cause.

"It would be like young people helping young people," she said. "It's a sensible approach to things."

Wisconsin is one of 10 states that automatically treat 17-year-olds as adults in criminal court, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures; 38 other states consider them juveniles.

An average of 27,830 17-year-olds have been arrested in Wisconsin each year between 2004 and 2006, according to the latest state figures.

Erpenbach said the law is too harsh. He wrote in a memo to other legislators that brain research proves adolescents make hasty decisions and act on impulse, leading to trouble.

Wendy Henderson, a policy analyst for the Wisconsin Council on Children and Families, said the juvenile system provides treatment and education 17-year-olds need to salvage their lives. Paying for it through video games is appropriate, she said.

"Video games are perhaps not the best use of the kids' time, so if we can use some of the money from the video games and turn it into something positive, that's a really good use of that money."

Erpenbach stressed the bill wouldn't change provisions in state law that automatically treat anyone older than 10 as adults if they're charged with violent crimes such as first-degree murder.

The measure also wouldn't affect provisions that give prosecutors the option of charging kids between 14 and 16 as adults in other crimes, including kidnapping, drug dealing or gang activity, Erpenbach said.

But the bill's prospects are murky. Erpenbach is searching for co-sponsors and hasn't formally introduced the proposal.

No estimates of how much the measure might cost counties or how much revenue it could generate exist yet. John Reinemann, legislative director of the Wisconsin Counties Association, said the group supports moving 17-year-olds into juvenile court, but can't get behind the bill unless it would clearly pay for itself.

Rep. Steve Nass, R-Whitewater, went Donkey Kong on the measure, sending an e-mail to Republican Assembly members in December. He warned them the bill created a new sales tax and questioned the tie between video games and juvenile justice.

"Bah-humbug!" Nass's e-mail said of Erpenbach's plan.

Still, Nathan Bakken, 20, of Stoughton - a big fan of games such as Guitar Hero and Mass Effect 2 - said the surcharge wouldn't change his game-buying habits.

"I'm not going to boycott it or anything," he said. "It's not that much money. And it's helping people."



I understand its not a lot of money but this is pretty **** stupid. The games cost enough as it is, and why should people who buy video games have to pay for juvenile court costs? That doesnt make any damn sense. Make the punkasses who are going there pay the costs.
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Post#2 » by LUKE23 » Sun Jan 6, 2008 5:07 am

This is a political thread so it will be locked shortly, but I have no problems with it at all. It's the gamers choice of whether they want to buy the games/systems or not, they are not being forced to, same as cigarettes.

If you have a problem with it don't buy the games. It's not like it's going to a poor cause, this is a very good one.
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Post#3 » by NeedsMoreCheese » Sun Jan 6, 2008 5:08 am

LUKE23 wrote:This is a political thread so it will be locked shortly, but I have no problems with it at all. It's the gamers choice of whether they want to buy the games/systems or not, they are not being forced to, same as cigarettes.

If you have a problem with it don't buy the games. It's not like it's going to a poor cause, this is a very good one.


How is this a good cause?
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Post#4 » by LUKE23 » Sun Jan 6, 2008 5:10 am

Kohl Is A Mome wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



How is this a good cause?


Being able to try 17 year olds as adults when it warrants it isn't a good cause? So if a 17 year old came in and killed your family tonight, you'd be OK with him being tried as a juvenile?

It's VIDEO GAMES. It's not like they are taxing bread, bottled water, or vegatables. If you have a problem with it it's your choice not to buy the games.
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Post#5 » by NeedsMoreCheese » Sun Jan 6, 2008 5:12 am

LUKE23 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



Being able to try 17 year olds as adults when it warrants it isn't a good cause? So if a 17 year old came in and killed your family tonight, you'd be OK with him being tried as a juvenile?

It's VIDEO GAMES. It's not like they are taxing bread, bottled water, or vegatables. If you have a problem with it it's your choice not to buy the games.


Its RAISING it to 18, not lowering it to 17
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Post#6 » by LUKE23 » Sun Jan 6, 2008 5:14 am

My bad, I read the first paragraph wrong.

That is very odd especially considering the Sean Taylor case.

I agree with you.
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Post#7 » by MickeyDavis » Sun Jan 6, 2008 5:15 am

Sorry,. politics need to go to the off topic forum.

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