ATL: 11/4

[Newz]

Arenas is averaging 27.6 and 5.6 assists on 43.6% shooting and 42% from 3 with 2 makes per game, and is getting to the line 10 times per game. Why is he getting ripped here again? That is a pretty good start for a guy that hasn't played in two years.

I'll never understand why people love to try and pick out a bad game of a player to fit their pre-conceived notions and make it look like they are right, while ignoring the season samples.

I noticed you left out his 3.8 turnovers and the fact that he always plays terrible defense.

I'll never understand why people just look at stats, while ignoring that he consistently shoots too much and never involves his team enough.

I bet you used to think Marbury, Iverson and Francis were good players too, hm? The stats said they were.

[LUKE23]

Jennings is averaging 3.3 TO's in less minutes. I guess we should get rid of him.

Big scorers usually have big TO numbers.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/statistic ... asontype=2

Those teams should get rid of all those guys.

I care far more about their true shooting percentage (Gilbert's is 56% right now, which is good, because he gets to the line a ton and hits 3's). Straight FG% is essentially irrelevant.

But you're drunk out of your mind if you think Arenas is having a bad year so far.

[emunney]

What is the difference between Channing Frye and Bargnani at this point?

[Newz]

Jennings is averaging 3.3 TO's in less minutes. I guess we should get rid of him.

Big scorers usually have big TO numbers.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/statistic ... asontype=2

Those teams should get rid of all those guys.

I care far more about their true shooting percentage (Gilbert's is 56% right now, extremely good, because he gets to the line a ton and hits 3's). Straight FG% is essentially irrelevant.

But you're drunk out of your mind if you think Arenas is having a bad year so far.

Brandon Jennings is in his third NBA game... It speaks to how bad Arenas is that you have to compare him to a rookie only three games in to try and get your point across.

Those guys also play defense and are far better at getting their teams involved than Gilbert Arenas is... A lot of them also do not play PG, so they do a lot of their work off the ball, rather than totally dominating the ball.

I don't just think he's having a bad year, I don't think he's ever had a good year... Like I told you before, I think he's garbage.

[LUKE23]

Brandon Jennings is in his third NBA game... It speaks to how bad Arenas is that you have to compare him to a rookie only three games in to try and get your point across.

Those guys also play defense and are far better at getting their teams involved than Gilbert Arenas is... A lot of them also do not play PG, so they do a lot of their work off the ball, rather than totally dominating the ball.

I don't just think he's having a bad year, I don't think he's ever had a good year... Like I told you before, I think he's garbage.

I know you think he's garbage, but you try and bend reality to make that point stick, and that is my issue with your comments. You do that for every player you dislike.

On that TO list, you have Nash, James, Kobe, Joe Johnson, Wade, Paul, Howard, Nash, Kidd, and D. Williams. Some of the best players in the game. James, Kobe, JJ, Wade are all players that do not do most of their work off the ball either, those guys dominate the ball.

Just say it, you don't like Arenas. But don't bend reality to make your point stick.

Arenas is back. He's not an all-around stud like Kobe/LeBron/Wade, but he's one of the best offensive players in the NBA when he's healthy. That is just reality.

[Newz]

Nash is one of the best passers and players at getting his teammates involved in the entire league, while always scoring at a excellent percentage and almost always making the right decision.

LeBron averages a ton more assists than Arenas and is also one of the best defenders in the league.

Wade is a better distributer and far better defender.

Joe Johnson... Well he doesn't dominate the ball nearly as much as any of those guys, I think you'd know that if you watched Atlanta play. He does handle more than your typical small forward, but it isn't even close to as much as Arenas has the ball.

I'm the one "bending reality" when you are trying to compare Gilbert Arenas to a rookie three games into his career to make your point... Yeah, okay.

[LUKE23]

Nope, never compared them. I'm making a point on turnovers, and my point is accurate.

I've never said Arenas is on the same level as a player as Kobe/LeBron/Wade. But offensively, he's one of the elite in the league when he's healthy.

[lawrybeard]

So far CV is playing 26mpg in his 5 games for the Pistons.

He's shooting 39% (20-51).
He has a total of 1 assist.
He has a total of 1 offensive rebound.

And he's still one of the worst defenders in the league.

[Newz]

But offensively, he's one of the elite in the league when he's healthy.

I disagree.

The only reason his numbers are that huge is because he dominates the ball more than any other player in the league aside from maybe Steve Nash... Though Nash's handling of the ball usually results in him finding open teammates or taking a high percentage shot.

He dominates the ball so much that he puts his team into the spot where if he has a bad game, they just have no chance to win... Because other guys don't really have the opportunities to have big nights. If Arenas blows up and scores 30+ on a high percentage while finding 6+ assists, then the team can win... If he doesn't, then they rarely pull out a victory. It reminds me of Iverson/Marbury/Francis and their style of basketball... Either they play great or their team loses and that is just an awful way to play basketball.

He cannot be an 'elite' offensive player just because he scores points. You have to do something other than score to be an 'elite' offensive player. You have to dominate the offensive glass, draw double teams, be a great distributer, at least have a great assist/TO ratio on top of being an 'elite' scorer and Arenas does none of those things... Other than draw double teams which he does very little with, other than dribbling into them or hoisting up a bad shot through the double.

How many guys would you say are 'elite', Luke? Top 5 offensive players? Top 10?

[LUKE23]

The only reason his numbers are that huge is because he dominates the ball more than any other player in the league aside from maybe Steve Nash... Though Nash's handling of the ball usually results in him finding open teammates or taking a high percentage shot.

Doesn't matter if he dominates the ball if he scores effectively. And he does. His FG% isn't high, but he more than makes up for it with three point ability and ability to get to the line. His career true shooting percentage is .557. For a supposed "volume scorer", that is pretty good.

[jerrod]

arenas>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>redd

[Newz]

The only reason his numbers are that huge is because he dominates the ball more than any other player in the league aside from maybe Steve Nash... Though Nash's handling of the ball usually results in him finding open teammates or taking a high percentage shot.

Doesn't matter if he dominates the ball if he scores effectively. And he does. His FG% isn't high, but he more than makes up for it with three point ability and ability to get to the line. His career true shooting percentage is .557. For a supposed "volume scorer", that is pretty good.

That's fine... He can score, I've never said that he couldn't score. In fact he is one of the biggest threats to put up 40+ points in any game that he plays.

I'm saying he isn't an elite offensive player... If you wanted to say he is an 'elite scorer', then I might be able to agree with that. He's not an elite offensive player and he's far from an elite overall player.

[paul]

What is the difference between Channing Frye and Bargnani at this point?

They will both tear up mid-size centers from the perimeter and get eaten alive by monsters. They will both rebound like a 9 year old girl. So the answer is $9m per?

I don't expect Frye to maintain this higher level of play though, Bargnani may.

[LUKE23]

He is an elite offensive player when healthy. You act like he can't get other people open looks either, he can.

[Newz]

He is an elite offensive player when healthy. You act like he can't get other people open looks either, he can.

Well he's a point guard that I think even you would admit dominates the ball as much as any other player in the league... And it's not like he hasn't had good offensive players around him in his career...

His top assist total in a year where he didn't play just two games? 6.3 with a career average of 5.5. 5.5 assists while averaging 3.1 TOs. He isn't a good distributer for a point guard and on top of it, he turns the ball over a lot for the amount of assists that he averages.

Not even close to an elite offensive player.