24/25 College Basketball

[Matches Malone]

That's hilarious. Doesn't doug usually have bad takes that go viral? Maybe he can spark some weird stuff with NIL and attention for recruiting. Doubt it helps, but maybe.

[MikeIsGood]

That's hilarious. Doesn't doug usually have bad takes that go viral? Maybe he can spark some weird stuff with NIL and attention for recruiting. Doubt it helps, but maybe.

Yes. He's a **** moron. I believe he was actually sued for libel a few years ago

[MVP2110]

Letting him both coach AND continue his national radio show it absolutely wild, I can't imagine this works out. Which really sucks after the turn around they had last year

[humanrefutation]

Stupid ass decision by UWGB.

[MickeyDavis]

Gimmick hire. Dumb.

[Kerb Hohl]

Stupid ass decision by UWGB.

I'll play devil's advocate...maybe not?

The program is down, they've been one of the worst D1 programs, I'm not really familiar with it but apparently the school itself is not much of a campus experience...

They almost give me the vibe that they should consider moving down to D3 anyways, but if they don't, you make a good hire like Sundance, he's gone in a season or two anyways.

This move will probably fail and leave them irrelevant (as they have been anyways) - but maybe, just maybe, Gottlieb's national presence makes them a little bit better. I'd imagine at that point Gottlieb would consider trying to climb the coaching ladder...but I guess he could also choose to stay with this wacky arrangement of coaching and talk show that only UWGB would allow or something.

Arguably the only reason they finally got out of the dumpster last year was they got a high-major-caliber transfer in Noah Reynolds, stolen from Gard at the last moment, because he wanted to play with his brother as assistant coach.

They have essentially nothing to lose.

[MVP2110]

Stupid ass decision by UWGB.

I'll play devil's advocate...maybe not?

The program is down, they've been one of the worst D1 programs, I'm not really familiar with it but apparently the school itself is not much of a campus experience...

They almost give me the vibe that they should consider moving down to D3 anyways, but if they don't, you make a good hire like Sundance, he's gone in a season or two anyways.

This move will probably fail and leave them irrelevant (as they have been anyways) - but maybe, just maybe, Gottlieb's national presence makes them a little bit better. I'd imagine at that point Gottlieb would consider trying to climb the coaching ladder...but I guess he could also choose to stay with this wacky arrangement of coaching and talk show that only UWGB would allow or something.

Arguably the only reason they finally got out of the dumpster last year was they got a high-major-caliber transfer in Noah Reynolds, stolen from Gard at the last moment, because he wanted to play with his brother as assistant coach.

They have essentially nothing to lose.

This is just factually incorrect. They were a dumpster fire under Will Ryan, but before then they were regularly competitive under Kowalczyk, Wardle, & Darner, they haven't been any more irrelevant then any normal low level conference team. Then as soon as Ryan got fired and they hired a legitimate coach they bounced back to relevance again. This feels like the Will Ryan mistake all over again, hiring someone for their "name" rather than their coaching ability.

[Kerb Hohl]

Stupid ass decision by UWGB.

I'll play devil's advocate...maybe not?

The program is down, they've been one of the worst D1 programs, I'm not really familiar with it but apparently the school itself is not much of a campus experience...

They almost give me the vibe that they should consider moving down to D3 anyways, but if they don't, you make a good hire like Sundance, he's gone in a season or two anyways.

This move will probably fail and leave them irrelevant (as they have been anyways) - but maybe, just maybe, Gottlieb's national presence makes them a little bit better. I'd imagine at that point Gottlieb would consider trying to climb the coaching ladder...but I guess he could also choose to stay with this wacky arrangement of coaching and talk show that only UWGB would allow or something.

Arguably the only reason they finally got out of the dumpster last year was they got a high-major-caliber transfer in Noah Reynolds, stolen from Gard at the last moment, because he wanted to play with his brother as assistant coach.

They have essentially nothing to lose.

This is just factually incorrect. They were a dumpster fire under Will Ryan, but before then they were regularly competitive under Kowalczyk, Wardle, & Darner, they haven't been any more irrelevant then any normal low level conference team. Then as soon as Ryan got fired and they hired a legitimate coach they bounced back to relevance again. This feels like the Will Ryan mistake all over again, hiring someone for their "name" rather than their coaching ability.

I think Wicks realized that he got lucky as hell to have Noah Reynolds, who is gone, and might go right back into the dumpster. Stock never higher.

Wardle was good but the era was different. The rest of the guys were fine, Darner got lucky one year.

I think any reasonable fan would tell you that they know their place is very fair at being the #200 KenPom team as they generally have hovered around, which those coaches landed at. Maybe they could hire another Darner sort of guy and finish 4th/5th in a garbage Horizon every year and that's not awful.

I just think in the NIL era when you assume players will bounce after any success - it's an even tougher job given UWGB has to be pretty far down in the pecking order/priority.

[ReasonablySober]

I'll play devil's advocate...maybe not?

The program is down, they've been one of the worst D1 programs, I'm not really familiar with it but apparently the school itself is not much of a campus experience...

They almost give me the vibe that they should consider moving down to D3 anyways, but if they don't, you make a good hire like Sundance, he's gone in a season or two anyways.

This move will probably fail and leave them irrelevant (as they have been anyways) - but maybe, just maybe, Gottlieb's national presence makes them a little bit better. I'd imagine at that point Gottlieb would consider trying to climb the coaching ladder...but I guess he could also choose to stay with this wacky arrangement of coaching and talk show that only UWGB would allow or something.

Arguably the only reason they finally got out of the dumpster last year was they got a high-major-caliber transfer in Noah Reynolds, stolen from Gard at the last moment, because he wanted to play with his brother as assistant coach.

They have essentially nothing to lose.

This is just factually incorrect. They were a dumpster fire under Will Ryan, but before then they were regularly competitive under Kowalczyk, Wardle, & Darner, they haven't been any more irrelevant then any normal low level conference team. Then as soon as Ryan got fired and they hired a legitimate coach they bounced back to relevance again. This feels like the Will Ryan mistake all over again, hiring someone for their "name" rather than their coaching ability.

I think Wicks realized that he got lucky as hell to have Noah Reynolds, who is gone, and might go right back into the dumpster. Stock never higher.

Wardle was good but the era was different. The rest of the guys were fine, Darner got lucky one year.

I think any reasonable fan would tell you that they know their place is very fair at being the #200 KenPom team as they generally have hovered around, which those coaches landed at. Maybe they could hire another Darner sort of guy and finish 4th/5th in a garbage Horizon every year and that's not awful.

I just think in the NIL era when you assume players will bounce after any success - it's an even tougher job given UWGB has to be pretty far down in the pecking order/priority.

Nonsense. Reasonable fans have never heard of KenPom.

[MVP2110]

I'll play devil's advocate...maybe not?

The program is down, they've been one of the worst D1 programs, I'm not really familiar with it but apparently the school itself is not much of a campus experience...

They almost give me the vibe that they should consider moving down to D3 anyways, but if they don't, you make a good hire like Sundance, he's gone in a season or two anyways.

This move will probably fail and leave them irrelevant (as they have been anyways) - but maybe, just maybe, Gottlieb's national presence makes them a little bit better. I'd imagine at that point Gottlieb would consider trying to climb the coaching ladder...but I guess he could also choose to stay with this wacky arrangement of coaching and talk show that only UWGB would allow or something.

Arguably the only reason they finally got out of the dumpster last year was they got a high-major-caliber transfer in Noah Reynolds, stolen from Gard at the last moment, because he wanted to play with his brother as assistant coach.

They have essentially nothing to lose.

This is just factually incorrect. They were a dumpster fire under Will Ryan, but before then they were regularly competitive under Kowalczyk, Wardle, & Darner, they haven't been any more irrelevant then any normal low level conference team. Then as soon as Ryan got fired and they hired a legitimate coach they bounced back to relevance again. This feels like the Will Ryan mistake all over again, hiring someone for their "name" rather than their coaching ability.

I think Wicks realized that he got lucky as hell to have Noah Reynolds, who is gone, and might go right back into the dumpster. Stock never higher.

Wardle was good but the era was different. The rest of the guys were fine, Darner got lucky one year.

I think any reasonable fan would tell you that they know their place is very fair at being the #200 KenPom team as they generally have hovered around, which those coaches landed at. Maybe they could hire another Darner sort of guy and finish 4th/5th in a garbage Horizon every year and that's not awful.

I just think in the NIL era when you assume players will bounce after any success - it's an even tougher job given UWGB has to be pretty far down in the pecking order/priority.

I'm comparing UWGB to other Horizon League teams. Under Darner they finished 4th, 3rd, 7th, 4th, 3rd with a tournament appearance in his 5 years. Directly before that under Wardle they finished 7th, 6th, 3rd, 1st, 2nd. It's true that UWGB is a spot where any player with a modicum if success is likely to bounce to the portal, but that's true of all Horizon League teams. UWGB had the reigning Horizon League Freshman of the Year and he wasn't going to transfer until Sunny left. UWGB isn't ever going to be a basketball powerhouse, but nobody in the Horizon League will be. UWGB can certainly be consistently competitive in the Horizon League but they need a decent coach, not a radio host who isn't going to take the job seriously

[Kerb Hohl]

This is just factually incorrect. They were a dumpster fire under Will Ryan, but before then they were regularly competitive under Kowalczyk, Wardle, & Darner, they haven't been any more irrelevant then any normal low level conference team. Then as soon as Ryan got fired and they hired a legitimate coach they bounced back to relevance again. This feels like the Will Ryan mistake all over again, hiring someone for their "name" rather than their coaching ability.

I think Wicks realized that he got lucky as hell to have Noah Reynolds, who is gone, and might go right back into the dumpster. Stock never higher.

Wardle was good but the era was different. The rest of the guys were fine, Darner got lucky one year.

I think any reasonable fan would tell you that they know their place is very fair at being the #200 KenPom team as they generally have hovered around, which those coaches landed at. Maybe they could hire another Darner sort of guy and finish 4th/5th in a garbage Horizon every year and that's not awful.

I just think in the NIL era when you assume players will bounce after any success - it's an even tougher job given UWGB has to be pretty far down in the pecking order/priority.

I'm comparing UWGB to other Horizon League teams. Under Darner they finished 4th, 3rd, 7th, 4th, 3rd with a tournament appearance in his 5 years. Directly before that under Wardle they finished 7th, 6th, 3rd, 1st, 2nd. It's true that UWGB is a spot where any player with a modicum if success is likely to bounce to the portal, but that's true of all Horizon League teams. UWGB had the reigning Horizon League Freshman of the Year and he wasn't going to transfer until Sunny left. UWGB isn't ever going to be a basketball powerhouse, but nobody in the Horizon League will be. UWGB can certainly be consistently competitive in the Horizon League but they need a decent coach, not a radio host who isn't going to take the job seriously

It's also possible that at this late-ish stage of the offseason, the candidate pool wasn't great, again, given that nobody wants one of these jobs right now.

So gamble on this for 2 years and try something else if it's an outright disaster. You'll be building a brand new team every season whether you have a new coach or not anyways.

Nonsense. Reasonable fans have never heard of KenPom.

Yes, whether you want to use KenPom or spot among Horizon League, the ~200th best team is the 4th/5th team in the Horizon League on aggregate. You get the idea. It's not a great conference so it's just noting that they are a competent lower major team.
That is probably the ceiling outside of an absolute home run like Wardle, which may not be possible anymore other than one magical season.

[MVP2110]

I think Wicks realized that he got lucky as hell to have Noah Reynolds, who is gone, and might go right back into the dumpster. Stock never higher.

Wardle was good but the era was different. The rest of the guys were fine, Darner got lucky one year.

I think any reasonable fan would tell you that they know their place is very fair at being the #200 KenPom team as they generally have hovered around, which those coaches landed at. Maybe they could hire another Darner sort of guy and finish 4th/5th in a garbage Horizon every year and that's not awful.

I just think in the NIL era when you assume players will bounce after any success - it's an even tougher job given UWGB has to be pretty far down in the pecking order/priority.

I'm comparing UWGB to other Horizon League teams. Under Darner they finished 4th, 3rd, 7th, 4th, 3rd with a tournament appearance in his 5 years. Directly before that under Wardle they finished 7th, 6th, 3rd, 1st, 2nd. It's true that UWGB is a spot where any player with a modicum if success is likely to bounce to the portal, but that's true of all Horizon League teams. UWGB had the reigning Horizon League Freshman of the Year and he wasn't going to transfer until Sunny left. UWGB isn't ever going to be a basketball powerhouse, but nobody in the Horizon League will be. UWGB can certainly be consistently competitive in the Horizon League but they need a decent coach, not a radio host who isn't going to take the job seriously

It's also possible that at this late-ish stage of the offseason, the candidate pool wasn't great, again, given that nobody wants one of these jobs right now.

So gamble on this for 2 years and try something else if it's an outright disaster. You'll be building a brand new team every season whether you have a new coach or not anyways.

Nonsense. Reasonable fans have never heard of KenPom.

Yes, whether you want to use KenPom or spot among Horizon League, the ~200th best team is the 4th/5th team in the Horizon League on aggregate. You get the idea. It's not a great conference so it's just noting that they are a competent lower major team.
That is probably the ceiling outside of an absolute home run like Wardle, which may not be possible anymore other than one magical season.

I wanted them to either hire John Brannen or promote Monaghan to be the interim for one year. When UWGB has hired legitimately qualified Head Coaches they have been a relevant competitive team in the Horizon League. When they hired Will Ryan because he was Bo's kid they turned into a dumpster fire. This feels much more like the Will Ryan hire in the fact that they are hiring a name rather than a qualified coach.

[DingleJerry]

I'd agree on this being bad or gimmicky too. But there is probably a logic or line of thinking that in the new era actual Xs and Os coaching is as unimportant as HC than its ever been. So a no name team like UWGB just got a "name" to be the head coach and hopefully get them in the conversation in the portal moreso than they would be by hiring a complete unknown like if they grabbed the UW Oshkosh coach or Dean Oliver. But he has to hire good assistants to actually coach/train. Not saying it'll work but I see the logic or why a crap team might try it.

[Kerb Hohl]

I'm comparing UWGB to other Horizon League teams. Under Darner they finished 4th, 3rd, 7th, 4th, 3rd with a tournament appearance in his 5 years. Directly before that under Wardle they finished 7th, 6th, 3rd, 1st, 2nd. It's true that UWGB is a spot where any player with a modicum if success is likely to bounce to the portal, but that's true of all Horizon League teams. UWGB had the reigning Horizon League Freshman of the Year and he wasn't going to transfer until Sunny left. UWGB isn't ever going to be a basketball powerhouse, but nobody in the Horizon League will be. UWGB can certainly be consistently competitive in the Horizon League but they need a decent coach, not a radio host who isn't going to take the job seriously

It's also possible that at this late-ish stage of the offseason, the candidate pool wasn't great, again, given that nobody wants one of these jobs right now.

So gamble on this for 2 years and try something else if it's an outright disaster. You'll be building a brand new team every season whether you have a new coach or not anyways.

Nonsense. Reasonable fans have never heard of KenPom.

Yes, whether you want to use KenPom or spot among Horizon League, the ~200th best team is the 4th/5th team in the Horizon League on aggregate. You get the idea. It's not a great conference so it's just noting that they are a competent lower major team.
That is probably the ceiling outside of an absolute home run like Wardle, which may not be possible anymore other than one magical season.

I wanted them to either hire John Brannen or promote Monaghan to be the interim for one year. When UWGB has hired legitimately qualified Head Coaches they have been a relevant competitive team in the Horizon League. When they hired Will Ryan because he was Bo's kid they turned into a dumpster fire. This feels much more like the Will Ryan hire in the fact that they are hiring a name rather than a qualified coach.

If you want to be a nihilist - how much does being the 5th best team in the Horizon League move the needle for a conference/program that is really at the bottom of an ocean of difference now? I guess the idea is if that is your ceiling, **** it, take a big Sammy Sosa swing for the fences, because I think they're kinda boned in this era.

The Wardle years and that Darner year were built with 4-year players, which isn't possible anymore. Of course, I realize the bottom 250ish teams and basically the entire Horizon League now has to play at this disadvantage every year now, but I think UWGB may even be further down in the pecking order at this point.

[MVP2110]

It's also possible that at this late-ish stage of the offseason, the candidate pool wasn't great, again, given that nobody wants one of these jobs right now.

So gamble on this for 2 years and try something else if it's an outright disaster. You'll be building a brand new team every season whether you have a new coach or not anyways.


Yes, whether you want to use KenPom or spot among Horizon League, the ~200th best team is the 4th/5th team in the Horizon League on aggregate. You get the idea. It's not a great conference so it's just noting that they are a competent lower major team.
That is probably the ceiling outside of an absolute home run like Wardle, which may not be possible anymore other than one magical season.

I wanted them to either hire John Brannen or promote Monaghan to be the interim for one year. When UWGB has hired legitimately qualified Head Coaches they have been a relevant competitive team in the Horizon League. When they hired Will Ryan because he was Bo's kid they turned into a dumpster fire. This feels much more like the Will Ryan hire in the fact that they are hiring a name rather than a qualified coach.

If you want to be a nihilist - how much does being the 5th best team in the Horizon League move the needle for a conference/program that is really at the bottom? I guess the idea is if that is your ceiling, **** it, take a big Sammy Sosa swing for the fences, because I think they're kinda boned in this era.

The Wardle years and that Darner year were built with 4-year players, which isn't possible anymore. Of course, I realize the bottom 250ish teams and basically the entire Horizon League now has to play at this disadvantage every year now, but I think UWGB may even be further down in the pecking order at this point.

I'm not sure why UWGB would be at any more of a disadvantage than any other Horizon League Team. Before Will Ryan came they were regularly a top 3-5 team in conference. That seems like a perfectly reasonable goal for UWGB given their past success. I get the portal/NIL era will make it harder for UWGB compared to schools in bigger conferences but I don't understand why it would lower the expectation within the conference.

[DingleJerry]

I wanted them to either hire John Brannen or promote Monaghan to be the interim for one year. When UWGB has hired legitimately qualified Head Coaches they have been a relevant competitive team in the Horizon League. When they hired Will Ryan because he was Bo's kid they turned into a dumpster fire. This feels much more like the Will Ryan hire in the fact that they are hiring a name rather than a qualified coach.

If you want to be a nihilist - how much does being the 5th best team in the Horizon League move the needle for a conference/program that is really at the bottom? I guess the idea is if that is your ceiling, **** it, take a big Sammy Sosa swing for the fences, because I think they're kinda boned in this era.

The Wardle years and that Darner year were built with 4-year players, which isn't possible anymore. Of course, I realize the bottom 250ish teams and basically the entire Horizon League now has to play at this disadvantage every year now, but I think UWGB may even be further down in the pecking order at this point.

I'm not sure why UWGB would be at any more of a disadvantage than any other Horizon League Team. Before Will Ryan came they were regularly a top 3-5 team in conference. That seems like a perfectly reasonable goal for UWGB given their past success. I get the portal/NIL era will make it harder for UWGB compared to schools in bigger conferences but I don't understand why it would lower the expectation within the conference.

Worse weather, bad campus, not near a major city like many others. But generally speaking you're right, all are in the same ballpark. Them trying this is an attempt to differentiate themselves though and NOT be like everyone else. Will it work/help? I doubt it, but their exposure level just went up

[Kerb Hohl]

I wanted them to either hire John Brannen or promote Monaghan to be the interim for one year. When UWGB has hired legitimately qualified Head Coaches they have been a relevant competitive team in the Horizon League. When they hired Will Ryan because he was Bo's kid they turned into a dumpster fire. This feels much more like the Will Ryan hire in the fact that they are hiring a name rather than a qualified coach.

If you want to be a nihilist - how much does being the 5th best team in the Horizon League move the needle for a conference/program that is really at the bottom? I guess the idea is if that is your ceiling, **** it, take a big Sammy Sosa swing for the fences, because I think they're kinda boned in this era.

The Wardle years and that Darner year were built with 4-year players, which isn't possible anymore. Of course, I realize the bottom 250ish teams and basically the entire Horizon League now has to play at this disadvantage every year now, but I think UWGB may even be further down in the pecking order at this point.

I'm not sure why UWGB would be at any more of a disadvantage than any other Horizon League Team. Before Will Ryan came they were regularly a top 3-5 team in conference. That seems like a perfectly reasonable goal for UWGB given their past success. I get the portal/NIL era will make it harder for UWGB compared to schools in bigger conferences but I don't understand why it would lower the expectation within the conference.

Yes, I noted this in my post that they play at the same disadvantage.

I'm just saying now that there is an ocean of difference between the highest levels and UWGB, does being a competent, middle team in the Horizon move the needle much as these programs probably get buried by TV networks and losing any of your good players and probably coach sooner than later now, **** it, who cares...just go nuclear for a year or two if the opportunity is there.

As DingleJerry noted, they are probably in the middle/lower side of facilities, weather, etc. in the Horizon League. Even the ability to have a 4-year coach who builds with UW castoffs and Juco guys over 3-4 years like Wardle is kind of gone. It's gone for everyone, but now you're forced to build on the fly every year with probably a bottom Horizon profile.

[MVP2110]

If you want to be a nihilist - how much does being the 5th best team in the Horizon League move the needle for a conference/program that is really at the bottom? I guess the idea is if that is your ceiling, **** it, take a big Sammy Sosa swing for the fences, because I think they're kinda boned in this era.

The Wardle years and that Darner year were built with 4-year players, which isn't possible anymore. Of course, I realize the bottom 250ish teams and basically the entire Horizon League now has to play at this disadvantage every year now, but I think UWGB may even be further down in the pecking order at this point.

I'm not sure why UWGB would be at any more of a disadvantage than any other Horizon League Team. Before Will Ryan came they were regularly a top 3-5 team in conference. That seems like a perfectly reasonable goal for UWGB given their past success. I get the portal/NIL era will make it harder for UWGB compared to schools in bigger conferences but I don't understand why it would lower the expectation within the conference.

Worse weather, bad campus, not near a major city like many others. But generally speaking you're right, all are in the same ballpark. Them trying this is an attempt to differentiate themselves though and NOT be like everyone else. Will it work/help? I doubt it, but their exposure level just went up

In theory I don't mind the idea of "taking a shot". But when the guy you hired won't even give up his daily radio show from 3-6pm then I have to really question how invested he actually is. Hiring a coach with no experience and who isn't fully invested in the job is just not the route I'd have gone

[MVP2110]

If you want to be a nihilist - how much does being the 5th best team in the Horizon League move the needle for a conference/program that is really at the bottom? I guess the idea is if that is your ceiling, **** it, take a big Sammy Sosa swing for the fences, because I think they're kinda boned in this era.

The Wardle years and that Darner year were built with 4-year players, which isn't possible anymore. Of course, I realize the bottom 250ish teams and basically the entire Horizon League now has to play at this disadvantage every year now, but I think UWGB may even be further down in the pecking order at this point.

I'm not sure why UWGB would be at any more of a disadvantage than any other Horizon League Team. Before Will Ryan came they were regularly a top 3-5 team in conference. That seems like a perfectly reasonable goal for UWGB given their past success. I get the portal/NIL era will make it harder for UWGB compared to schools in bigger conferences but I don't understand why it would lower the expectation within the conference.

Yes, I noted this in my post that they play at the same disadvantage.

I'm just saying now that there is an ocean of difference between the highest levels and UWGB, does being a competent, middle team in the Horizon move the needle much as these programs probably get buried by TV networks and losing any of your good players and probably coach sooner than later now, **** it, who cares...just go nuclear for a year or two if the opportunity is there.

As a UWGB alum/fan, give me a solid competitive team every year. Also they weren't "middle", they were consistently in the top half of the Horizon before Will Ryan. Just on the surface it's absurd to hire a coach who isn't even willing to give up his day job. How in the world is he going to recruit, gameplan, and run a radio show all at once? Most D1 coaches already hate the work/life balance

[Kerb Hohl]

I'm not sure why UWGB would be at any more of a disadvantage than any other Horizon League Team. Before Will Ryan came they were regularly a top 3-5 team in conference. That seems like a perfectly reasonable goal for UWGB given their past success. I get the portal/NIL era will make it harder for UWGB compared to schools in bigger conferences but I don't understand why it would lower the expectation within the conference.

Worse weather, bad campus, not near a major city like many others. But generally speaking you're right, all are in the same ballpark. Them trying this is an attempt to differentiate themselves though and NOT be like everyone else. Will it work/help? I doubt it, but their exposure level just went up

In theory I don't mind the idea of "taking a shot". But when the guy you hired won't even give up his daily radio show from 3-6pm then I have to really question how invested he actually is. Hiring a coach with no experience and who isn't fully invested in the job is just not the route I'd have gone

I realize that 17-20 year-olds are not glued to Doug Gottlieb's radio show or radio in general, but exposure is exposure. It probably fails like Herm Edwards (actually, they were roughly as good as ASU always was), but the radio show/exposure is probably a feature not a bug. Nobody ever gives a thought to UWGB basketball. Nobody still will, probably, but maybe they get a bit of extra $ or whatever due to this and it gives them a slight leg up.