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tedbrogen wrote:Doc hugging Bobby after he instigated DD to get DD to commit a flagrant foul and a tech was my favorite moment of game. Second favorite was Bev hugging AJG after he took that hit.

Vibe City out there. Vibe City.

AJG popped right back up after that rather vicious hit. Dude is tough, he's going to last a long time in this league.

ShootingtheJ wrote:

theFireBlanket wrote:

Neuromancer56 wrote:Pat Bev has a lot more in the tank than PJ did. I'd be gutted if we let him get away. Hopefully Doc won't allow it.

PJ would've stuck if Lasry didn't cheap out. Think Bev stays if its a deep/title run. Unless he wants out.

Next year it'll be time to plug in the youngsters. Use Pat Bev now though, he can still defend. Better than PJ was in every part of the game.

Pat was clipboarding Lopez on his 1st day here about plays Lopez didn't know yet lol. Scared that Pat Bev will punch KM if he dogs it on D or cries to the refs and doesn't get back after a failed long 2 shot. Lopez has been amazing lately... maybe Bev stays somehow -- if he likes winning and playing with our stars and Doc he'll play nice. If he's angling to get to Miami next year then he won't.

Crowder's defense has been very promising as of late, even if the 3 ball hasn't been there. Having a strong 6'7" dude that can at least not get lit up on D by the likes of Jimmy/Tatum is big. He's not gonna clamp them or anything but he at least won't get bullied like Jrue against Jimmy last year or Grayson/G Hill against the Boston wings in 22.

Very very interested to see some Dame/Beas/Middleton/Crowder/Giannis smaller lineups.

Prez wrote:Crowder's defense has been very promising as of late, even if the 3 ball hasn't been there. Having a strong 6'7" dude that can at least not get lit up on D by the likes of Jimmy/Tatum is big. He's not gonna clamp them or anything but he at least won't get bullied like Jrue against Jimmy last year or Grayson/G Hill against the Boston wings in 22.

Very very interested to see some Dame/Beas/Middleton/Crowder/Giannis smaller lineups.

And subbing Beas for Bev too.

Ice Man wrote:Between them, the two rosters have 29 OK NBA players and Giannis. He is the sole difference between the two squads. Take him off the Bucks and have them play the Bulls 80 times, each team would win 40.

Barring a miraculous visit to the Fountain of Youth by Dame and Khris, the Bucks aren't going anywhere this playoffs. Their window is gone.

From the Bulls board lol

Whatever helps him wake up and stare all day at his matte gray windowless wall.

theFireBlanket wrote:Isn't Giannis better on b2bs or something like that? Could swear someone posted the stats backing it up in the past.

Giannis seemed gassed all the time the previous years. This year he plays more and looks fresh. Does he have a different role and covers less space on defense?

BigO wrote:

theFireBlanket wrote:

tedbrogen wrote:
Leave Jrue open. It’s the playoffs.

Til clutch time, when he's 3/13 & its a close enough game.

Jrue Holiday has a different role with the Celtics. He isn't the lead guard. He has the ball a lot less and is surrounded by shooters. He's shooting 45% on threes and 65% from the corners. Leaving him alone isn't a strategy worth considering, although it's a fun narrative.

On the other hand, the Celtics will have their own defensive worries against the Bucks.

Jrue shot 40% from 3 with us as a lead ball handler for 3 seasons, his regular season stats need to be taken with a grain of salt

MiltownMadness wrote:

BigO wrote:

theFireBlanket wrote:
Til clutch time, when he's 3/13 & its a close enough game.

Jrue Holiday has a different role with the Celtics. He isn't the lead guard. He has the ball a lot less and is surrounded by shooters. He's shooting 45% on threes and 65% from the corners. Leaving him alone isn't a strategy worth considering, although it's a fun narrative.

On the other hand, the Celtics will have their own defensive worries against the Bucks.

Jrue shot 40% from 3 with us as a lead ball handler, his regular season stats need to be taken with a grain of salt

Last year Jrue shot 38.4% and this year he's shooting 44.9% on threes. His best year in his career before now he shot 41.1%, so he is almost 4% higher this year.

Because he has more shooters around him and because he isn't the lead guard is the reason he is much more efficient.

Most shooters will regress in the playoffs, but leaving a guy open who is shooting threes at 65% from the corner is not a good strategy. It's why the Celtics are so hard to guard.

It should be obvious to most that Jrue had to carry a lot more of the offensive burden with the Bucks than he does now. He had over 6 attempts at threes last year and now has 4.8.

I love Beverley, but listening to his podcast, it's clear he needs to keep his ego in check. He said he should be starting opposite Dame and that the lineup should be KM, Giannis, Dame, Lopez and himself.

Even if that is true, he should keep it to himself.

BigO wrote:

MiltownMadness wrote:

BigO wrote:
Jrue Holiday has a different role with the Celtics. He isn't the lead guard. He has the ball a lot less and is surrounded by shooters. He's shooting 45% on threes and 65% from the corners. Leaving him alone isn't a strategy worth considering, although it's a fun narrative.

On the other hand, the Celtics will have their own defensive worries against the Bucks.

Jrue shot 40% from 3 with us as a lead ball handler, his regular season stats need to be taken with a grain of salt

Last year Jrue shot 38.4% and this year he's shooting 44.9% on threes. His best year in his career before now he shot 41.1%, so he is almost 4% higher this year.

Because he has more shooters around him and because he isn't the lead guard is the reason he is much more efficient.

Most shooters will regress in the playoffs, but leaving a guy open who is shooting threes at 65% from the corner is not a good strategy. It's why the Celtics are so hard to guard.

It should be obvious to most that Jrue had to carry a lot more of the offensive burden with the Bucks than he does now. He had over 6 attempts at threes last year and now has 4.8.

Yes we're agreeing with eachother

but you have to acknowledge a spade a spade. Jrue is just a playoff choker, you can subtract 10-20% from his shooting percentages. The 65% from the corner is literally a nothingburger for me, if Jrue is parked in the corner it just makes life easier defensively. That number will probably be in the 30s come playoff time on a low sample size as well

DanoMac wrote:

Ice Man wrote:Between them, the two rosters have 29 OK NBA players and Giannis. He is the sole difference between the two squads. Take him off the Bucks and have them play the Bulls 80 times, each team would win 40.

Barring a miraculous visit to the Fountain of Youth by Dame and Khris, the Bucks aren't going anywhere this playoffs. Their window is gone.

From the Bulls board lol

if jordan had switched teams back in his prime we might have won half the time as well

DanoMac wrote:

Ice Man wrote:Between them, the two rosters have 29 OK NBA players and Giannis. He is the sole difference between the two squads. Take him off the Bucks and have them play the Bulls 80 times, each team would win 40.

Barring a miraculous visit to the Fountain of Youth by Dame and Khris, the Bucks aren't going anywhere this playoffs. Their window is gone.

From the Bulls board lol

Non Giannis bucks shot 21-64 while getting open looks from Giannis. Not saying they are right, but I don't think they are delusional aftering watching that game.

BigO wrote:

MiltownMadness wrote:

BigO wrote:
Jrue Holiday has a different role with the Celtics. He isn't the lead guard. He has the ball a lot less and is surrounded by shooters. He's shooting 45% on threes and 65% from the corners. Leaving him alone isn't a strategy worth considering, although it's a fun narrative.

On the other hand, the Celtics will have their own defensive worries against the Bucks.

Jrue shot 40% from 3 with us as a lead ball handler, his regular season stats need to be taken with a grain of salt

Last year Jrue shot 38.4% and this year he's shooting 44.9% on threes. His best year in his career before now he shot 41.1%, so he is almost 4% higher this year.

Because he has more shooters around him and because he isn't the lead guard is the reason he is much more efficient.

Most shooters will regress in the playoffs, but leaving a guy open who is shooting threes at 65% from the corner is not a good strategy. It's why the Celtics are so hard to guard.

It should be obvious to most that Jrue had to carry a lot more of the offensive burden with the Bucks than he does now. He had over 6 attempts at threes last year and now has 4.8.

Maybe Jrue gets worse as volume goes up because he’s not a pure shooter? If that is the case, the argument is leave him open and dare him to take a ton of shots, which has the added benefit of taking shots away from Tatum and Brown who typically will then start forcing shots to “get theirs”.

yannisk wrote:

theFireBlanket wrote:Isn't Giannis better on b2bs or something like that? Could swear someone posted the stats backing it up in the past.

Giannis seemed gassed all the time the previous years. This year he plays more and looks fresh. Does he have a different role and covers less space on defense?

It’s Dame. Giannis lets Dame initiate the offense a lot. Even possessions that end up with Giannis usage are more likely to start with him screening or posting on the elbow.

The thing that wasted all of Giannis’ energy was starting all offensive possessions with him driving from the top of the key. He had to work for everything against walls of bodies. No easy baskets. Now he gets easy buckets on rolls and easy buckets on post ups.

Dame generates so many good looks for himself and teammates.

Jrue has pooped himself so many times in the playoffs. I'll believe it when i see it.

In 40 playoff games as a Buck Jrue had a 48TS%.
Last season he allowed Jimmy 38ppg over five games and waived off others trying to guard him.

tedbrogen wrote:

yannisk wrote:

theFireBlanket wrote:Isn't Giannis better on b2bs or something like that? Could swear someone posted the stats backing it up in the past.

Giannis seemed gassed all the time the previous years. This year he plays more and looks fresh. Does he have a different role and covers less space on defense?

It’s Dame. Giannis lets Dame initiate the offense a lot. Even possessions that end up with Giannis usage are more likely to start with him screening or posting on the elbow.

The thing that wasted all of Giannis’ energy was starting all offensive possessions with him driving from the top of the key. He had to work for everything against walls of bodies. No easy baskets. Now he gets easy buckets on rolls and easy buckets on post ups.

Dame generates so many good looks for himself and teammates.

Last night was the perfect example of this for people who watched most of the game. Dame didn't even have a good shooting game, but they essentially face guarded him and had a body stuck to him as soon as he crossed half court. Essentially the Bucks could play 4 on 4 creating a wide open court for Giannis just by having Dame stand at half court so his guy stood out there by him.

Yep. Even when Dame is shooting poorly, he still has insane out-to-half-court gravity.

tedbrogen wrote:Yep. Even when Dame is shooting poorly, he still has insane out-to-half-court gravity.

This cannot be understated.

Giannis is doing crazy Giannis things as always. But he's seeing spacing he's never seen before.


And when they do build a wall with 3 guys, one is still on Dame. That means 1-2 people are always open.

Giannis isn't having to always force passes or thread needles or do something inhuman every play. Sometimes sure he does but not always.

He has had easier opportunities. There is a positive Dame effect.