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msiris wrote:We are 2 and 2 since the firing Griff. The D s better which I like but it just might not matter. Sid is right. Players matter as well.

MoreTrife wrote:

msiris wrote:

DingleJerry wrote:Tough road game vs a top title contender and you hung in during game 1. Biggest takeaway I'd have from the 4 games since firing is the D has simply been better. No more 40 pt quarters, 75 pt halves and 150 type scores. They've played games in the normal score range of the nba these days. Its progress.

We are 2 and 2 since the firing Griff. The D s better which I like but it just might not matter. Sid is right. Players matter as well.

The two losses weren't glaring. They were the not-quite-back-to-back against the same team Cavs which always introduces a chaos factor and in Denver. I think the D being better is the best takeaway.

FrieAaron wrote:

msiris wrote:We are 2 and 2 since the firing Griff. The D s better which I like but it just might not matter. Sid is right. Players matter as well.

We literally went from the easiest schedule in the league to the hardest. We knew it was very possible the record would be worse no matter who was brought in as a coach. It was said time and time again. Going 8-7 in that 15 game stretch wouldn't be awful. What's important is that we improve in the final half of the season. And despite a 2-2 record, we look better.

ABucksFan wrote:I love Giannis, but dude sets the weakest screens ive ever seen man.

I don't know if we're ever going to figure out the Giannis Dame thing, it requires Giannis to sacrifice too much and i dont know if he will ever fully buy in

Ron Swanson wrote:Beasley did an admirable job guarding Murray last night. Not sure this is the game to point to about his defense.

BigO wrote:
I've also noticed that Beasley has taken poorer shots recently. He has been highly efficient, because he has taken open shots and not forced anything. Recently, that's changed. He needs to get back to what he does well, which is shoot when he is open.

ShootingtheJ wrote:

Ron Swanson wrote:Beasley did an admirable job guarding Murray last night. Not sure this is the game to point to about his defense.

Murray scored 35 on great efficiency, and the misses he had were when Crowder was on him. He cooked Beasley, and a little bit of Pat. This game was a perfect example of all of Beasley's weaknesses.

KidA24 wrote:

BigO wrote:

soxperry wrote:

His points per shot attempt and efg% are each around the 35th percentile for his position. His assist per usage is in the 2nd percentile. He is an inefficient black hole by those numbers.

He's also a huge energy boost and fan favorite so...

Searching for stats to make him look bad is a great science on this board.

I looked at the ranking of TS% and EFG% and they don't at all pass the eye test in terms of players anyone would consider offensive threats.

I recommend everyone look at the link below on EFG and TS%.

Then look at the link on FG% and the difference is night and day in terms of who you would want on your team if you were building an offense. Are there anomalies on the lists-of course.

But by and large, not one GM would build an offense based on EFG or TS rankings, while many would build it based on the players in the second link.



https://www.nba.com/stats/players/advanced?CF=MIN*GE*15&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&dir=-1&sort=EFG_PCT

https://www.espn.com/nba/stats/player/_/table/offensive/sort/fieldGoalPct/dir/desc

Now you're trying to tell us that TS% and eFG% don't matter. Turns out 3 pointers are worth more than 2 pointers, which TS% and eFG% take into account.

They also give context when combined with watching games.

DeAndre Jordan led the league in eFG% for multiple seasons, he also led the league in FG%.

So he's the hill you want to die on?

ShootingtheJ wrote:

Ron Swanson wrote:Beasley did an admirable job guarding Murray last night. Not sure this is the game to point to about his defense.

Lol, Murray scored 35 on great efficiency, and the misses he had were when Crowder was on him. He cooked Beasley, and a little bit of Pat.

BigO wrote:

KidA24 wrote:

BigO wrote:
Searching for stats to make him look bad is a great science on this board.

I looked at the ranking of TS% and EFG% and they don't at all pass the eye test in terms of players anyone would consider offensive threats.

I recommend everyone look at the link below on EFG and TS%.

Then look at the link on FG% and the difference is night and day in terms of who you would want on your team if you were building an offense. Are there anomalies on the lists-of course.

But by and large, not one GM would build an offense based on EFG or TS rankings, while many would build it based on the players in the second link.



https://www.nba.com/stats/players/advanced?CF=MIN*GE*15&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&dir=-1&sort=EFG_PCT

https://www.espn.com/nba/stats/player/_/table/offensive/sort/fieldGoalPct/dir/desc

Now you're trying to tell us that TS% and eFG% don't matter. Turns out 3 pointers are worth more than 2 pointers, which TS% and eFG% take into account.

They also give context when combined with watching games.

DeAndre Jordan led the league in eFG% for multiple seasons, he also led the league in FG%.

So he's the hill you want to die on?

No the hill I want to die on is common sense.

You can look at the lists I sent out above. You and others can hang your hat on the leaders in TS and eFG and I'll go with the list of players leading in overall field goal percentage. It's that simple.

Again, just imagine you saw the three charts I posted (TS%, eFG%, overall shooting percentage), but didn't know which was which. Which list would you think corresponded with what your eyes tell you?

Ron Swanson wrote:I will say, as much as I've been dismissing the obsession with the number of Dame/Giannis pick-and-rolls, this was certainly the game where you should have spammed it over and over again, especially in crunch time. Jokic was getting annihilated in the Brook pick & pop game and whenever Giannis had a sliver of space to attack the rim.

I'm confident they'll get it together with an actual grown-up on the bench now though. It's like people forget that even prime Lebron had to adjust his game to playing with D-Wade, and yet I still see people here griping about how it's all on one guy rather than it being a two-way street.

Ron Swanson wrote:

ShootingtheJ wrote:

Ron Swanson wrote:Beasley did an admirable job guarding Murray last night. Not sure this is the game to point to about his defense.

Lol, Murray scored 35 on great efficiency, and the misses he had were when Crowder was on him. He cooked Beasley, and a little bit of Pat.

Some serious "PJ Tucker is overrated cuz Durant dropped 40 on him" energy here.

soxperry wrote:

Ron Swanson wrote:

ShootingtheJ wrote:
Lol, Murray scored 35 on great efficiency, and the misses he had were when Crowder was on him. He cooked Beasley, and a little bit of Pat.

Some serious "PJ Tucker is overrated cuz Durant dropped 40 on him" energy here.

Nobody thinks Beasley can defend, dont embarrass yourself

CharityStripe34 wrote:

Ron Swanson wrote:I will say, as much as I've been dismissing the obsession with the number of Dame/Giannis pick-and-rolls, this was certainly the game where you should have spammed it over and over again, especially in crunch time. Jokic was getting annihilated in the Brook pick & pop game and whenever Giannis had a sliver of space to attack the rim.

I'm confident they'll get it together with an actual grown-up on the bench now though. It's like people forget that even prime Lebron had to adjust his game to playing with D-Wade, and yet I still see people here griping about how it's all on one guy rather than it being a two-way street.

Not quite comparable, but when Greece played against Serbia in that epic game in Belgrade 1.5 years ago, the NT coach did exactly this multiple times that game in crunch-time. He took Kalathes (who's a good passer and quick) and ran pick-and-roll against Jokic and Giannis got like 4-5 straight easy baskets against him catching the ball at the FT line.

Figured last night they would go to it and try and put Jokic on an island with Khris being the strong-side kick out shooter.

soxperry wrote:Well, if the Bobby boys are right about him, there should be multiple teams pounding on the door to get him, right? We'll find out how much hes valued when he's traded.

Everyone agrees he cant defend. So its a no brainer to send him for some defense. Give all his shots to the core 4 and our ts% goes up. On paper that makes us better on both ends, yeah? Good talk..

ShootingtheJ wrote:

Ron Swanson wrote:Beasley did an admirable job guarding Murray last night. Not sure this is the game to point to about his defense.

Murray scored 35 on great efficiency, and the misses he had were when Crowder was on him. He cooked Beasley, and a little bit of Pat. This game was a perfect example of all of Beasley's weaknesses.

BigO wrote:

soxperry wrote:

BigO wrote:The game was fun to watch and deserves some good analysis. But before I can get to that, the horrible takes in this thread about Bobby need to be addressed:

1) You Bobby haters wait till he has an inefficient night shooting and then swarm like flies on you know what. Where were you after the prior game where he scored 20 on high efficiency? RealGM posters represent the best in gross opportunism.

2) Bobby Portis is one of the most efficient scorers on the team. While his three point shooting is just under 38% (not great but certainly not bad), he is shooting almost 50% from the field overall. That means he is shooting way over 50% on twos.

3) His efficiency is why his coaches want him to post up and shoot. So those of you in this thread who claim he is inefficient, is it possible for you to reconsider your view, or is this something you were born with and can't give up?

4) Bobby averaged almost 10 rebounds a game last season. His numbers are way down because Griffin (he should be a RealGM poster) decided to play him way out on the court, away from where his strength is. You saw Doc play him down low and he got 12 rebounds. That's why he was in the game. He is an elite rebounder for his build and once again, defensive rebounding is a key part of playing defense. But many posters don't value rebounding, so they just ignore that part of his game.

Bobby Portis is a very good player. Not an all star, but certainly much more valuable than the horrible takes on this board would suggest.

His points per shot attempt and efg% are each around the 35th percentile for his position. His assist per usage is in the 2nd percentile. He is an inefficient black hole by those numbers.

He's also a huge energy boost and fan favorite so...

Searching for stats to make him look bad is a great science on this board.

I looked at the ranking of TS% and EFG% and they don't at all pass the eye test in terms of players anyone would consider offensive threats.

I recommend everyone look at the link below on EFG and TS%.

Then look at the link on FG% and the difference is night and day in terms of who you would want on your team if you were building an offense. Are there anomalies on the lists-of course.

But by and large, not one GM would build an offense based on EFG or TS rankings, while many would build it based on the players in the second link.



https://www.nba.com/stats/players/advanced?CF=MIN*GE*15&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&dir=-1&sort=EFG_PCT

https://www.espn.com/nba/stats/player/_/table/offensive/sort/fieldGoalPct/dir/desc