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[yannis-akumpo]

We need a defensive minded SG and an athletic big. It would be a miracle if we could somehow bring back Donte

[JayMKE]

They don't compare even a little as rim protectors. Edey blocked 2.2 shots per game as a senior, Kessler blocked a whopping 4.6 shots as a sophomore.

Edey improved to pedestrian as a rim protector for an NBA prospect. It's not close to an elite skill for him.

Kessler also had a significantly higher foul rate. Edey being a superior offensive player they needed to stay on the court meant he could commit for less. He favored altering w/out fouling a lot of the time.

Edey had the same block rate as Brook Lopez in college. Was he not close to an elite rim protector in the NBA?

In most games collegiates had trouble finishing around the rim when Edey was around by his sheer size, decent awareness, & adequate mobility. We'll see if it translates against more skilled, athletic bigs & when there's def. 3 secs pulling him out the lane.

You do realize that Brook was considered a defensive sieve the 1st half of his career right?

He always was a rim protector even when he was garbage defensively, Brook was a guy putting up 20ppg at one point. One thing I’m confident Edey will be able do on the next level is defend the rim, dude 7’5” with an 8’ wingspan come on.

[ShootingtheJ]

Kessler also had a significantly higher foul rate. Edey being a superior offensive player they needed to stay on the court meant he could commit for less. He favored altering w/out fouling a lot of the time.

Edey had the same block rate as Brook Lopez in college. Was he not close to an elite rim protector in the NBA?

In most games collegiates had trouble finishing around the rim when Edey was around by his sheer size, decent awareness, & adequate mobility. We'll see if it translates against more skilled, athletic bigs & when there's def. 3 secs pulling him out the lane.

You do realize that Brook was considered a defensive sieve the 1st half of his career right?

He always was a rim protector even when he was garbage defensively, Brook was a guy putting up 20ppg at one point. One thing I’m confident Edey will be able do on the next level is defend the rim, dude 7’5” with an 8’ wingspan come on.

His slow reactions is what lead to his pedestrian college shot block totals.

If being big made you a great defender, Boban would play

[randy84]

Athleticism over plodder like Joe Alexander over Brook Lopez or more like Thon over Sabonis?

[soxperry]

We need a defensive minded SG and an athletic big. It would be a miracle if we could somehow bring back Donte

lol.. yes it would, because New York is never getting rid of him.

[raferfenix]

Alternative universe where we paid PJ instead of allocate those dollars to Grayson.

We don’t piss off Donte (if not kill his confidence) by extending the new guy clearly brought on as his replacement.

Maybe we say F it and extend the Big Ragu despite the injury to keep him happy. Or we play hardball when he’s a RFA.

Just don’t trade him for Serge Ibaka’s corpse. Yes he was horrid with the Kings too. And the Warriors as well as Thibs deserve credit for his development.

But this is looking like a Tobias for Redick situation though way worse since we desperately need a guy like Donte to compete for championships right about now.

[Bernman]

His slow reactions is what lead to his pedestrian college shot block totals.

If being big made you a great defender, Boban would play

Boban has gigantism. He can't control his limbs. That's an impediment to all aspects.

Edey's a rare player around his height/length that doesn't have gigantism, isn't a skeleton, sloppy, a total sloth, lackadaisical, but possesses some skill & instincts. So he's intriguing. Checks plenty of boxes that could make him hit.

I also see some reasons for pause, especially in this era - he's still probably a drop big, he might not be able to keep up in a transition game, he's not yet a proven outside shooter.

I get why he's polarizing, but I also don't because one should be able to see both perspectives. None of us are omniscient. We don't need to have emphatic opinions about everything that hasn't even happened yet.

[BroncoBuck]

Alternative universe where we paid PJ instead of allocate those dollars to Grayson.

We don’t piss off Donte (if not kill his confidence) by extending the new guy clearly brought on as his replacement.

Maybe we say F it and extend the Big Ragu despite the injury to keep him happy. Or we play hardball when he’s a RFA.

Just don’t trade him for Serge Ibaka’s corpse. Yes he was horrid with the Kings too. And the Warriors as well as Thibs deserve credit for his development.

But this is looking like a Tobias for Redick situation though way worse since we desperately need a guy like Donte to compete for championships right about now.

Donte was pissed when we tried to trade him for Bogdon. He was offered the same extension as Grayson and he didn’t take it. He was done with the Bucks. This isn’t a Tobias for JJ situation at all. He was never coming back to the Bucks.

[ShootingtheJ]

Alternative universe where we paid PJ instead of allocate those dollars to Grayson.

We don’t piss off Donte (if not kill his confidence) by extending the new guy clearly brought on as his replacement.

Maybe we say F it and extend the Big Ragu despite the injury to keep him happy. Or we play hardball when he’s a RFA.

Just don’t trade him for Serge Ibaka’s corpse. Yes he was horrid with the Kings too. And the Warriors as well as Thibs deserve credit for his development.

But this is looking like a Tobias for Redick situation though way worse since we desperately need a guy like Donte to compete for championships right about now.

Donte was pissed when we tried to trade him for Bogdon. He was offered the same extension as Grayson and he didn’t take it. He was done with the Bucks. This isn’t a Tobias for JJ situation at all. He was never coming back to the Bucks.

None of this matters. He had admitted that he learned to shoot from Steph. If he stays in Milwaukee, he isn't the player he is today.

[ShootingtheJ]

Alternative universe where we paid PJ instead of allocate those dollars to Grayson.

We don’t piss off Donte (if not kill his confidence) by extending the new guy clearly brought on as his replacement.

Maybe we say F it and extend the Big Ragu despite the injury to keep him happy. Or we play hardball when he’s a RFA.

Just don’t trade him for Serge Ibaka’s corpse. Yes he was horrid with the Kings too. And the Warriors as well as Thibs deserve credit for his development.

But this is looking like a Tobias for Redick situation though way worse since we desperately need a guy like Donte to compete for championships right about now.

Donte was traded for 2- 2nds. We've cashed in one, and the other is the 33rd pick of this draft

[GoldenAntlers]

Alternative universe where we paid PJ instead of allocate those dollars to Grayson.

We don’t piss off Donte (if not kill his confidence) by extending the new guy clearly brought on as his replacement.

Maybe we say F it and extend the Big Ragu despite the injury to keep him happy. Or we play hardball when he’s a RFA.

Just don’t trade him for Serge Ibaka’s corpse. Yes he was horrid with the Kings too. And the Warriors as well as Thibs deserve credit for his development.

But this is looking like a Tobias for Redick situation though way worse since we desperately need a guy like Donte to compete for championships right about now.

Donte was traded for 2- 2nds. We've cashed in one, and the other is the 33rd pick of this draft

Let's get Andre Jackson Jr. Junior.

[-Jragon-]

Alternative universe where we paid PJ instead of allocate those dollars to Grayson.

We don’t piss off Donte (if not kill his confidence) by extending the new guy clearly brought on as his replacement.

Maybe we say F it and extend the Big Ragu despite the injury to keep him happy. Or we play hardball when he’s a RFA.

Just don’t trade him for Serge Ibaka’s corpse. Yes he was horrid with the Kings too. And the Warriors as well as Thibs deserve credit for his development.

But this is looking like a Tobias for Redick situation though way worse since we desperately need a guy like Donte to compete for championships right about now.

Donte was pissed when we tried to trade him for Bogdon. He was offered the same extension as Grayson and he didn’t take it. He was done with the Bucks. This isn’t a Tobias for JJ situation at all. He was never coming back to the Bucks.

Tobias is yet ANOTHER player that helps you on one side of the floor but hurts you on the other. Perennial early playoff exits are the result. They probably couldn't get rid of that contract even of they wanted to. Looks better now that it's expiring.

[drone3]

Alternative universe where we paid PJ instead of allocate those dollars to Grayson.

We don’t piss off Donte (if not kill his confidence) by extending the new guy clearly brought on as his replacement.

Maybe we say F it and extend the Big Ragu despite the injury to keep him happy. Or we play hardball when he’s a RFA.

Just don’t trade him for Serge Ibaka’s corpse. Yes he was horrid with the Kings too. And the Warriors as well as Thibs deserve credit for his development.

But this is looking like a Tobias for Redick situation though way worse since we desperately need a guy like Donte to compete for championships right about now.

Donte was traded for 2- 2nds. We've cashed in one, and the other is the 33rd pick of this draft

Let's get Andre Jackson Jr. Junior.

Ryan Dunn is Ajax jr jr

[bucksfansince88]

Donte was traded for 2- 2nds. We've cashed in one, and the other is the 33rd pick of this draft

Let's get Andre Jackson Jr. Junior.

Ryan Dunn is Ajax jr jr

Yea Dunn would be a steal at 23

[MiltownMadness]

Okay I know nothing about this draft, I used to be a draft nerd when the Bucks were a lotto team but it escapes me now. Dunn is a 50% FT shooter through 2 years of college. AJJ actually showed decent development with his shot this season and was a 70% FT shooter in college, there is no way Dunn is that much better at what AJJ does to make up for it. 50% FT shooter for a wing is so incredibly bad, close to a death sentence. What am I missing? Seems like a guy who needs a lot to go right to make it in the NBA, albeit I wouldn't mind at 33 because this draft is so bad.

[MiltownMadness]

One thing is for sure, if John Hammond was our GM we could already lock in the Ryan Dunn pick. Classic Hambone pick

[RiotPunch]

Selling myself on Beef Stew. 9'0.50” standing reach, 7'4.75” wingspan. Brawler, has shown flashes of stretching the floor. He can bang with the brutes of the league. Funny since I thought he was a JAG prospect, but I think he could be about as perfect as you can find next to Giannis. Does Bobby/Pat/33 for Stew/Grimes get it done? Pistons need scoring and vets.

[LuessiT]

Selling myself on Beef Stew. 9'0.50” standing reach, 7'4.75” wingspan. Brawler, has shown flashes of stretching the floor. He can bang with the brutes of the league. Funny since I thought he was a JAG prospect, but I think he could be about as perfect as you can find next to Giannis. Does Bobby/Pat/33 for Stew/Grimes get it done? Pistons need scoring and vets.

Also interested in Beef Stew but I think you’re selling is quite short in value. Picks should go the other way.

[bdpecore]

Selling myself on Beef Stew. 9'0.50” standing reach, 7'4.75” wingspan. Brawler, has shown flashes of stretching the floor. He can bang with the brutes of the league. Funny since I thought he was a JAG prospect, but I think he could be about as perfect as you can find next to Giannis. Does Bobby/Pat/33 for Stew/Grimes get it done? Pistons need scoring and vets.

Also interested in Beef Stew but I think you’re selling is quite short in value. Picks should go the other way.

I agree Detroit should be sending us a future 2nd not the other way around. Bobby has late 1st value. Due to Stew and Pat's contracts, their value is about neutral. Grimes is worth a 2nd or two but will need to be extended next offseason which could diminish his trade value.

[German Athens]

Selling myself on Beef Stew. 9'0.50” standing reach, 7'4.75” wingspan. Brawler, has shown flashes of stretching the floor. He can bang with the brutes of the league. Funny since I thought he was a JAG prospect, but I think he could be about as perfect as you can find next to Giannis. Does Bobby/Pat/33 for Stew/Grimes get it done? Pistons need scoring and vets.

Yeah, I go back and forth on who I’d rather have between WCJ and Stewart. I like them both. I think WCJ has a little bit more refined game, and I trust his shot more, but Stewart is more durable, only 22 so probably is due for some improvement, and I think may have a better motor.

As of 7:23am cst, gimme Beef Stew.

I’d happily do that deal. I may prefer to send marjon out instead of pat to enable us to trade more salary in a subsequent move, but I really struggle with placing pat’s value. I’m not sold on Grimes by any stretch, but one year ago, he was being talked about as a dude who’d require firsts to get.